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Old Mar 16, 2014, 11:51 AM
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I recently read this in an LA times article, not a big survey admittedly but 500 + psychologists - 95% of the male ones admit to being sexually attracted to a client at least once. I'm not at all surprised by this but I found it strangely reassuring to know, I believe there's a lot of denial about ET frequently being a two way street between the T and the client. That's how it seems to me at least.
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Old Mar 16, 2014, 11:58 AM
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I'd be comforted to know my T was attracted to me, honestly. Too bad I'll never know either way lol.

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You know what they say - there's lies, damn lies, and then there's statistics. I would guess that 95 percent of ALL males have felt sexually attracted to every animal vegetable and possibly mineral they have ever encountered at least once. Drive a big truck, like a Dodge Ram, you'll see what i mean!
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I also find that reassuring. My T has admitted he is attracted to me, then denied it, then admitted it, then denied it again ... It would be funny except it isn't.
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Old Mar 16, 2014, 02:06 PM
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I would take that statement with a grain of salt personally.

What were the inclusion criteria for the survey? If it was a voluntary survey then the sample is going to be biased and the results would be questionable at best - particularly if the purpose of the survey was being advertised. Also, how many men actually participated in the survey? If there is a small "n" then the generalizability of the results could also be questionable. I also think that there is a huuuuuge grey scale for what "attracted" to a client means. If it just means that they find them generally physically attractive, then its basically just a survey asking men how many of them are attracted to women.

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Old Mar 16, 2014, 02:14 PM
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I also find that reassuring. My T has admitted he is attracted to me, then denied it, then admitted it, then denied it again ... It would be funny except it isn't.
Well that's mindbogglingly frustrating to say the least. As if the whole transference thing isn't confusing enough. Ugh!
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Old Mar 16, 2014, 02:28 PM
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It doesn't matter if they're attracted to their patients or not. Of course they are. As long as they keep it under control, and not let it interfere with the therapy.
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We'd really need to see the survey to think much of anything about it. There's a big difference between "being attracted to" and erotic transference. The first could be a momentary experience, whereas the second is a persistent perception.
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We'd really need to see the survey to think much of anything about it. There's a big difference between "being attracted to" and erotic transference. The first could be a momentary experience, whereas the second is a persistent perception.
Lol - i still talk about my big truck experience in t!
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Old Mar 16, 2014, 02:55 PM
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We'd really need to see the survey to think much of anything about it. There's a big difference between "being attracted to" and erotic transference. The first could be a momentary experience, whereas the second is a persistent perception.
That's an interesting point, how does one tell the difference? It seems attraction itself generally involves emotional involvement, for women at least, or is that not the decisive factor?
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What is the score for female Ts?
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Erotic transference and a T being sexually attracted to a client are not the same thing at all. (I just noticed FKM basically said that already.)

Seriously, they could have asked the same question of dentists, drs...it really is like asking if men are attracted to women or women are attracted to men: of course the answer is yes! And certainly some of these therapists surveyed are gay and have felt attracted to their male clients.

I would love to know the point of this survey, because I really can't see one... except to try and make a story where there isn't one.
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What is the score for female Ts?
The same as for all females - some percent lie and say no; some percent lie and say yes; some say yes; some say no.
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I also find that reassuring. My T has admitted he is attracted to me, then denied it, then admitted it, then denied it again ... It would be funny except it isn't.
That is weird. And you have a subtitle announcing you are a "concubine", instead of the usual "*****". A concubine is someone who might be brought to a family dinner, so on the border between shady lady and nice girl.
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Erotic transference and a T being sexually attracted to a client are not the same thing at all. (I just noticed FKM basically said that already.)

Seriously, they could have asked the same question of dentists, drs...it really is like asking if men are attracted to women or women are attracted to men: of course the answer is yes! And certainly some of these therapists surveyed are gay and have felt attracted to their male clients.

I would love to know the point of this survey, because I really can't see one... except to try and make a story where there isn't one.
The point of the story is that female therapy clients who have noticed that their male therapists are sexually attracted to them are not neurotic or delusional or crazy.

We know that men make poorer decisions when confronted with alluring women. I am an attractive woman. I don't want. Male therapist if he's going to make poor decisions because he thinks I'm cute. Sheesh.
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I think this site has more valid and/or reliable data. There are also links to other studies available, in addition to charts and tables.

Sexual Attraction to Clients:

The Human Therapist and the (Sometimes) Inhuman Training System
Kenneth S. Pope

Barbara G. Tabachnick
Patricia Keith-Spiege

ABSTRACT: Although we currently possess considerable information about the incidence and consequences of sexually intimate relationships between psychotherapists and clients, there is virtually no documentation of the extent to which psychotherapists are sexually attracted to clients, how they react to and handle such feelings, and the degree to which their training is adequate in this regard. Feelings toward clients are generally relegated to vague and conflicting discussions of countertransference, without benefit of systematic research. Survey data from 575 psychotherapists reveal that 87% (95% of men, 76% of women) have been sexually attracted to their clients, at least on occasion, and that, although only a minority (9.4% of men and 2.5% of women) have acted out such feelings, many (63%) feel guilty, anxious, or confused about the attraction. About half of the respondents did not receive any guidance or training concerning this issue, and only 9% reported that their training or supervision was adequate. Implications for the development of educational resources to address this subject are discussed.

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Table 1 presents the frequencies and percentages of attractions for the sex and age groups of the therapists.

Table 2 describes in detail the frequencies and percentages of attraction to male and female clients by male and female therapists.

95% of male T's have felt sexually attracted to a client.

Sexual Attraction to Clients - The Human Therapist and the (Sometimes) Inhuman Training System
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That is weird. And you have a subtitle announcing you are a "concubine", instead of the usual "*****". A concubine is someone who might be brought to a family dinner, so on the border between shady lady and nice girl.
That is part of a running joke with a friend about people being attention *****s. I am an attention concubine, thank you very much.
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The point of the story is that female therapy clients who have noticed that their male therapists are sexually attracted to them are not neurotic or delusional or crazy.

We know that men make poorer decisions when confronted with alluring women. I am an attractive woman. I don't want. Male therapist if he's going to make poor decisions because he thinks I'm cute. Sheesh.
Actually, you made assumptions about "the point of the story" from the very limited information presented here, unless you actually read the article?

You also seem to be making assumptions (and unfair generalizations) about male therapists and their limitations. So you think an ethical male therapist who is sexually attracted to a client is then rendered helpless and unable to make the best decisions for that client? Finding a client attractive doesn't mean a therapist automatically loses his boundaries...and being "alluring" is not the same as being attractive, btw.
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I read either this study or a study very like it, and the point was that sexual attraction happens in therapy on both sides and therapists are not trained to deal with their own sexual attraction to clients. More training and more acknowledgement of the issue is necessary so that therapists can address it without so much discomfort and without it impacting the therapy.
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Lol - i still talk about my big truck experience in t!
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That doesn't surprise me one bit, although I would expect the percentage for Female Therapists to be pretty high as well.
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I would love to know the point of this survey, because I really can't see one... except to try and make a story where there isn't one.
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a minority (9.4% of men and 2.5% of women) have acted out such feelings
Say what?!?!?!?!?! 9.4% of male therapists have had sex with their patients? I'm appalled.
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I read either this study or a study very like it, and the point was that sexual attraction happens in therapy on both sides and therapists are not trained to deal with their own sexual attraction to clients. More training and more acknowledgement of the issue is necessary so that therapists can address it without so much discomfort and without it impacting the therapy.
That makes sense. But then, you always do! Respect.
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