Are they real?

I'm starting to think there are no mental health problems, that the whole DSM is made up, just to cover things up, this is what happened to me.

I found this on the hidden evil site

The DSM is a diagnostic manual for identifying mental disorders. The first edition of the DSM was released in 1952 at a time when the APA was under the control of Dr. Ewen Cameron, who would commit brutal government-sponsored torture under the MKULTRA program. Dr. Rauni Leena Kilde, former Chief Medical Officer of Finland, wrote an article entitled, Microwave Mind Control: Modern Torture and Control Mechanisms Eliminating Human Rights and Privacy. In it she described "The Psychiatric Diagnostic Statistical Manual (DSM) for mental disorders," as a "brilliant cover up operation in 18 languages to hide the atrocities of military and intelligence agencies' actions towards their targets."

If they are that powerful, why would they let you find it? If you found it, you are in charge of what you do and know, and they are not that powerful. There are many more of us than of them, they cannot be that powerful for that long.

please consider contacting your treatment providers they can help adjust your meds and help you to see there is no hidden evil sites on the internet. (if it was hidden no one would be able to find and read it. I found what you read just by goggling Dr. Ewen Cameron.)

the internet may have all kinds of different websites and some you may believe are evil but the internet doesnt hide things it makes it easier to find things not harder.

I took some time to read the site you are taking about -

http://geeldon.wordpress.com/2010/09...lence-targets/

that site isnt run by any professionals associated with mental health. its just a blog that any one can write and is the personal opinion of who ever signed on to word press and started that blog.

I once read a blog about how my own therapist is a shape shifter, by someone who had some sort of beef with her. just because it says online this client believes they saw my therapist shape shift into a unicorn, mouse, witch, dragon and harry potters broomstick doesnt make it so.

please dont believe everything you read online. talk with your treatment providers and they can help you understand how the internet works and doesnt hide evil. they can also explain how its part of your mental disorder that makes you have delusions about things like the internet, mental health agencies and the government and other things like this you have posted about in the past.

On this site http://www.thehiddenevil.com/

I know it's just some ones opinion, but what he is saying is a lot of the stuff I have been thinking, so makes it more true to me.
Someone who is also a target recommended the book to me.

At least most of it is true - I don't believe everything I read online, but when it fits with what I think - we cant both me wrong about it.

I've been diagnosed with stuff that isn't even real, the whole DSM is lies , just a cover up.

They are so powerful - they do anyhing - so targets end up dead, in prison or hospital - this is what they want for me.

suggestion - contact your treatment providers and ask them if this is w hat they want for you. therapists are bound by rules to do no harm. if you really feel your treatment providers are trying to harm you report them to their supervisors and the state board. if they really are trying to harm you they will be removed as your treatment providers, investigated and prosecuted. at the very least they will lose their credentials so they cant harm you or any one else ever again.

I think that for someone who does not trust the "system" this is not useful! You have to believe that somewhere in the system there is someone who will listen to you, someone whom you can find before the ones who won't listen will do you in, in order to shut you up. This kind of trust is not easy, if you have not been treated with respect in the past.

The DSM manual is a guide to understanding the different disorders and issues that human beings have. It may not be perfect as we are studying the human brain and human behaviors constantly. If there was going to be any coverup I would think there would be no DSM manual and no efforts to truely try to help different people to understand their difficulties.

However there are different therapists out there that are not as good or poorly handle different patients. I know, I have met some unfortunately. However there are therapists that are actually truely interested in helping their patients overcome their issues. There are psychologists that study groups of individuals and have come out with information that has been truely helpful to many people.

I have PTSD and because it has been studied and recognized with array of difficulties in different patients I can get help, there is a human being that can tell me what I have. Had I not known that I have PTSD, I think I would be going crazy. It is hard enough to have the diagnosis I have and so hard to understand, but such a comfort to know I am not alone and there are reasons why I have such a difficult time.

KUREHA, be thankful that there are human beings that continue to study and research people who struggle so that you can get help and have someone that can understand your personal issues.

Open Eyes

Well, political prisoners have been thrown into 'mental hospitals' and 'reeducation camps', and it's true that the history of mental illness is badly tangled up with politics and social hierarchies. Even today it's obvious that some 'mental illnesses' are perfectly normal reactions to horrendous circumstances.

That said, it isn't like it's some big conspiracy. That belief attributes power to the profession that it really doesn't have. I mean think about it: Most of the time these days it's hard to get mental health treatment even if you WANT it, so how efficient are these evil overlords anyhoo? Not very.

Still, there's a grain of truth to the political dimension of the DSM. It's just not as drastic as you are painting it IMO.

i think evil is real, but i believe each of us have power to do what we need to do.

Hi Kureha:

I'm not a huge fan of DSM either, and I'm not persuaded that emotional distress is a disease. But there definitely are mental health problems. Lots of people are genuinely suffering.

I had a look at the website you linked to the other day. It seems scary, but I don't believe it's true. You don't know who made that website or what motivated them. They may really believe what's there but be misguided. Or they may have some other reason for wanting to make people believe these things. Or they may even think it's a joke. Unfortunately you can find lots of inaccurate stuff on the Internet. It's the product of many, many people whose intentions aren't always honorable and whose own fears are magnified and broadcast out to the world. Just because someone tells you something that confirms your deepest fears, don't necessarily believe them. In fact that's when you should be most sceptical, because your emotions are going to short circuit your reason.

DSM is an attempt to categorize human emotional and mental suffering in a way that is useful to health care providers. If it falls short, it's because it's the product of fallible humans. I doubt that it's the product of evil - well, it is to the extent that anything in there is designed to sell more drugs!

I know you probably won't do this, but can I suggest that you not spend a lot of time on sites like that one? Where you focus your attention will strongly effect your mood. You're already so full of fear and anger. You don't need to build any more up. Try to focus your attention on something beautiful or funny or cheerful. Something wholesome. Do you have a pet you can sit with? Can you get some vigorous exercise?

There's so much sad and scary in the world, it's true. And we as a society do have to take some time to think about those things, so we can figure out if we can make them better in any way. But for you right now, Kureha, your task is to try and tame your fears and get a life for yourself. And that isn't going to happen if you spend a lot of time looking for the bogeyman on the Internet.

Based on your posts over the last week or so, I'd say your fear and anger are rising. Websites like those feed those emotions. You need to starve those emotions. Give them no food. Feed some positive emotions for a while.

Good luck and take care.

One thing I forgot to ask, Kureha. Are you religious at all? You've never mentioned anything about that, but if you are, certainly prayer and meditation can be important in getting you through tough spots like the one you're in now.

Take care.

I saw the Dr today when I was having my assessment, I told him about this, he didn't say if he thought if was all made up to cover things up, he just said he sees how this confuses me and that it's a barrier to me getting help.
I think I might be getting CBT again and maybe with my ex psychologist.

That site - the person that runs it is being gang stalked he has done a lot of research and we can't be wrong about the same things, it's just not possible.

I still think it's all just there for a cover up - just think everyone that suffers from OCD, schizophrenia, Depression etc, it could all be because something was tested on them with out them knowing. Then there is the DSM to give them a reason why - but it's not the truth, it's all cleverly covered up. It goes way further than just being about money.

I saw them all today the police and the sleeper cells talking about me on the phone - with coded conversations.

My nurse tells me to stay away from those sites as well, well she tells me to stay away from sites like this one as well - I don't know why. I just feel drawn to his site, it's like I'm geting extra pieces for the things I don't fully understand.
I'm not very religious either

I'm glad you spoke with your doctor about your fears. I hope the CBT comes through for you and is helpful.

I do think two people can be wrong about the same thing.

Try to make some room in your life for rest and calm.

Take care.

I hadn't seen that Dr before, but he was ok. He understood as well.

I hope I can get CBT again and think with my ex psychologist as well

I missed college today - just got too anxious, with all this stuff going on. All this stuff is making me scared and angry.

Just be gentle with yourself and go at your own pace.

Well my nurse didn't believe me, well both of them didn't. They just made me feel guilty for wasting time.

You're never wasting time when you share your concerns with your nurses or anyone else. You need to discuss these things.

Did you get to class this week?

It's just how she made me feel , so I don't know what to do now if I get offered CBT, I should probably mention it to the dr on Wednesday.

No I didn't make it to college - but at least it's half term this week, so I have time to decide if I want to go back.

I'm sorry she made you feel bad.

Well I had the rest of my assessment - god he asked me some hard questions, he knew exactly what I was thinking as well.

He wasn't sure if therapy was right for me at this time, because he wasn't sure I was ready for it, but he said he'd call my ex psychologist and it's up to her now, but he said she would probably say Yes

He said he wasn't sure because I seem 100% sure of what I believe - there are no cracks that I might slightly doubt what I say, but he said it was good that I could imagine what it will be like to not think this stuff.

He said it was hard to admit we are wrong and how I'd feel if that happened - I know it would suck - but at least if would be over.

He said it's like I have a screen up and only see things that go with what I think and that because of the way I react , I keep re-enforcing my beliefs (he said it in a better way though)

We talked about mind control - he doesn't think their is the technology to do that - I told him he is just believing the lies.
Then he said I was probably starting to think he was part of it - which I was, but he was ok though.

So I should probably be starting CBT again

I hope so.

The guy doing the assessment sounds very knowledgeable.

I agree with the doubt thing. In Recovering Sanity he talks about doubt. In his chapter on John Thomas Perceval, he describes how Perceval - whose psychosis was of a religious nature - deliberately suppressed doubt and drove himself further into psychosis. He believed that if he doubted, it was a sign he wasn't religious enough. I've talked to my son about it. He says that when he was in his most recent psychosis, he did experience doubt about the truth of his delusions. Anyway Perceval was able to pull himself out of psychosis - while living under horrific conditions in a 19th century madhouse - by deliberately clinging to doubt. In a way he devised his own CBT - questioning his delusional beliefs and defying his voices.

Yeah the Dr was ok.
I try to doubt it - but keep seeing things that prove it, like the cameras that are always there - I think gang stalking is just to hard to prove.

My ex psychologist is awesome though - so hopefully she will see me again and I can try again.

I want to believe I'm wrong - but sometimes I think I know too much that I know I'm right.

I was thinking about you this morning, Kureha. It seems to me that whether you doubt it or not, whether you believe it or not, you just have to find a way to get a meaningful life for yourself. Keep pushing back against the fear.

Thanks
I guess so - I just get freaked out when I'm outside and sometimes at home.
The Dr said I need to get out and try things out - because if I don't test it - I'll just come back to the same things that I think now.
He said I might not be able to change what I think about it even with doing that - but that was the only way I'd find out.
I always put it down to it not being the right time or me being lucky - but he said that doesn't help - because it just takes me back to the fact I'm right.
If people outside would quit giving me hostile stares that would help a bit , but they are always there.

I think your doctor's right. If you do scary things enough, they get less scary.

My son thinks people are staring at him too. Or making mean comments about him.