Roll Call 28

Yeah I didn't mean to imply that you didn't try hard at the therapy that you did...my point was that cbt doesn't actaully deal with deep underlying issues it just fixes the surface stuff but even that is helpful to an extent. So I don't know much about the kind you did...my therapy exposure is limited but to me reexposing the issues might not even be helpful. So when I was dealing with anger knowing it was irrational did nothing for me and trying to reframe it in some way just made me angrier still because I was right...so anything with cbt that involves anger to me is total bs. Rethinking the original stimulus just makes it worse. I was only suggesting using some of the cbt toolset like a bandaid for the things that it can fix not the actual trauma...

Used to. When I was bad depressed and eating disordered I would drink whatever alcohol I could find and have some DayQuil with it first thing in the morning, caffeine to pick me up, lorazepam to loop me up, then at night either NyQuil or just straight up ketamine to trip me up and get me to sleep. I would also cut myself up.

This was... Wow, early last year. I don't do this anymore. I got caught with cocaine and MDMA (not by cops or anything - and I never got to use any of it) and got help.

Sometimes I drink secretly and sometimes (like unfortunately right now) I engage in disordered eating, but I try to keep it under check.

It sounds sick but part of me kind of misses it. Especially tripping on ketamine.

I also got drunk off of Listerine once. Had the worst stomach cramps ever the next day...

DONT DO ANY OF THIS OKAY. I WAS IN A REALLY BAD PLACE.

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Thanks. Cognitive processing therapy is a cbt therapy specifically for trauma. I tried, it didn't work. Man, I feel like crap...

I understand. I'm glad ur doing better.

I cant sleep.
I have to get this off my chest and then never bring it up again.

Reading back, for over an hour a sweet young woman was yelled at on here for letting her cat outside.

We all know she is not always good with words and may not express herself apropriately at times but in actuality, that is all she has done. She put her cat out. Plain and simple.

She now has an inside cat and an outside cat.
In rural areas this is totally normal.

Has anyone gone back to read all that was written?...in the space of an hour?

Okay, so she worded it wrong. We all know her style of speech.
Whats happening here?

My god people.

punky

Yes I did go back and read everything word for word. I was only trying to help her. I think it all got twisted into something that it wasn't meant to be. I think we all said our peace with it now.

How animals are treated , is certainly a cultural thing. I remember my grand father putting an excessive amount of kittens , when the mama cat had them , into a bag and taking them to the river. Could it have being handled alternatively , im sure it could , but it was just the way things were done. I look back at how dogs were treated when i was little and it was pretty bad, they were fed potato skins , and sometimes not fed at all , our poor dog went blind in the end , and disappeared. Yet all these people that were responsible for the animals were nice people , some of the best. I do think there is a cultural element to all this.

I think people know a better way now days. They have more options to help them. A lot of animal shelters around in every city. Plus there are laws that protect animals now too.

Well I left a message for my doctor - I know she won't get back to me, but I tried.

Well I have an appointment this week, but I'm going to get recalled.

I see it from both sides. Where i come from laws are flaunted all the time , from cyclists running lights , to cycling on foot paths, to burning waste and not disposing off it legally , wilful littering , not taxing vehicles , being economical with the truth when filling up forms , to tax evasion , to fishing without a license , to remaining in public premises beyond closing times , to cock and dog fighting , the list is endless , and it all really depends on cultural norms and standards. Now pets are emotive because some consciously recognise human qualities in them , it maybe different from person to person and i understand that , but dont underestimate the wealth of backgrounds and culture in people. Now saying that , would i have brought the cat in to a depot of somekind ,yes i would, but these places are not holiday homes , the majority of the animals , i would say are disposed of , humanely i agree. I come from a farm so i would have a different perspective on things , so to sum up , i understand why the subject is emotive but i also understand that the nature of the world can be , lets say , robust.

i texted T yesterday about what i did with the homeless guy at work and he responded after i had gone to bed.....he said "Whaaaaaaaaaaa!?"

i texted him this morning and he is at work (yay!) and we are meeting at 11.

There is a cultural element no doubt but we currently have laws with actual jail time against both those practices now. Sure they are misdemeanors but a year in jail is enough to mark someone for life.

Most of what you are talking about here would be a fine based penalty which isn't even considered a misdemeanor...the cock and dog fighting is taken much more seriously as is any form of animal cruelty....

And what about mass produced food? Legal yes. Culturally acceptable yes , in the real world newtus is not getting a jail sentence for releasing a cat into the greater texas area.

I'm not sure what you mean about mass produced food?

Seriously? Reductio ad absurdum is a phrase that comes to mind. It is readily deducible to use the term 'animal cruelty' yet when i speak of mass produced food the link cant be made between the barbaric activity of poultry and pig farming and how its somehow culturally acceptable.

You forget this is the US...we put people in jail for peeing in public or even loitering....why? Often because they are targeted for being mentally ill and/or a minority. Laws get enforced quite differently depending on who you are.

Yes, because no one thinks about how their steak or pork chops got on their plate.

Oh OK...got it...I was thinking you know Kraft Mac and cheese or something. So basically cows/chickens would be extinct if we didn't eat them...they don't exist in a non-domestic form. There are specific laws regulating how they are handled and killed....Same with research animals if they lose 30% of body weight they must be sacrificed etc. Sending a cat to a shelter ensures that it will be euthanized if needed rather than starving to death.

Omg there were so many posts to read when I got on here!
@newtus how are you doing now? Well done for losing some weight.
@junkdna I'm glad your therapist is back at work I bet your really relieved. You seem to have such a good relationship with him it seems very healthy to me.
@kureha I hope you don't get recalled I'll have my fingers crossed for you

Right , lets not argue

found the cat. safe and sound. dont worry about it anymore.

Ok good idea...I keep getting pulled back into this....

im not well hearing voices