[blah__x]

its kinda funny actually i was talking to someone here about self harm yesterday and they said they hoped that i'd be scared into stopping.

well i just read the "What are my chances for survival after several suicide attempts and cutting?" article...

im a bit lost right now because as much as i am now worried about hitting a vein or something, i still....want to.

bloody hell.

anyone else read it?

[nowheretorun]

i would only ask How is harming helping?

[blah__x]

welli know its not REALLY helping anything but short term..at the time..its just a release.

i'm not saying its a good thing. im just saying its not exactly easy to just stop..

[nowheretorun]

i'm sorry... i kinda freaked... men are visual... but you DID ask who had read it... i shouldn't have disturbed... wishing you well... Gabriel

[blah__x]

its ok..

you didnt disturb its fine.

but sorry if i freaked you out !!


good thoughts to you too..

[Perna]

Okay, "kind of want to" what? Hit a vein? I don't think there's much of a relationship between suicide and SI but I'm sure if someone wants to "die" then hitting a vein is a possibility but I imagine that those who SI are "careful" not to?

[blah__x]

no i want to SI..i dont want to die though and as careful as i am, accidents could still happen right?

[nowheretorun]

unfortunately Gabriel.. accidents happen my friend...

[Perna]

I don't think cutting tools and "accidents" happen. There's a planning involved and, unless one is drugged or drunk, etc. there's not a whole lot of uncontrolled accidents that are going to happen. Accidents happen when one is not paying attention and I refuse to believe that people deliberately cutting aren't paying too much attention?

[blah__x]

hmmmmmmmmmmm..

[nowheretorun]

im thinkin' ... just please dont cut, accidentally or other Gabriel... the images... and i saw the trigger.. im fine... i still would rather you not cut, and i think you feel the same... at least partly...

[Perna]

Yes, do not cut.

The article author did not say where her "facts" came from and doing other reading I fail to see anything about people dying "accidentally" from SI and cutting veins.

I get anxious shaving under my arms because if you cut that vein there's no way to put a tourniquet on and you'll bleed to death, like slashing your throat. But the chance of a safety razor being "able" to do that very well are not very high? Still, I get anxious and don't like shaving under my arms! A cutter is looking for release, not suicide. It is never right, in my book to be worried about the "wrong" things. I should not have to worry about shaving under my arms.

where is this article??

[blah__x]

i cant find it again i just searched for ten minutes.......

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sorry about that i'll let you know if i find it...

i think it was one of those Q and A things......

[blah__x]

arrgh my head hurts with confusion.

part of me knows i shouldnt and is also scared shitless now after reading the article..

another part of me says "wtf u chicken you deserve it anyway isnt that the whole point of why you do it?!"

aaaaaaargh shut up head ><

[Abby]

Hey Gabriel, - this post is ***triggering*****



I dunno if this will be any help because i am trying to understand this post and everyone here has written some good things (esp. Perna).
Personally i think there is a massive difference between SI and suicide. I cut to release my anger, to feel something,...a number of reasons.
Of course the article is right - you are more likely to have an 'accident' and bleed out if you cut than someone that does not SI, but most of the time, people that do cut never get to that point. For me....I 'know' when enough is enough.
That is not to say that cutting doesn't progress - it is a harmful coping method that does need help to stop.
From another post of yours i know that you want to stop. I'm not sure fear is the thing that will stop you cutting totally. But I hope one day everyone here will find a way to comfort ourselves rather than hurt ourselves further.

Take it one day at a time. And be comforted that there are people here that have managed to find other ways to cope with the strong emotions that can lead to SI.

[silver_queen]

haha I have read that article and I would suggest she doesn't know what she is talking about.
http://psychcentral.com/ask-the-ther...s-and-cutting/

It is of course possible to cut a vein, by accident or not, when cutting. I never have done but I have always worried about going too deep. But I am not afraid of *dying* through a cut vein. As far as I know from my very little first aid knowledge, it would take a very, very, very long time to die from a severed vein. Why? Because it's not an artery, and arteries move blood around the body in a major way, eg from from the heart to the head, and since the heart drives the blood in arteries, and since they are, to my knowledge, wider than veins, it's easy to die from severing an artery, it can happen in minutes. Cut arteries need immediate emergency attention, you'd know if it's an artery because the blood would spurt (bit like it does in horror films).

Ok I have just looked up first aid and it says that cut veins tend to collapse in on themselves which helps to stop the bleeding. It's a steady flow of dark blood. If it hasn't stopped after ten minutes of direct pressure, you should go to the ER. Some of the larger veins apparently don't stop bleeding by themselves so you'd need treatment for that. But as for being 'liable to lose your life because of it', well, I'd say not unless you were doing serious deep cutting and getting the arteries (or not getting treatment for a vein which doesn't stop bleeding).

[Fuzzybear]

((((((((((((( Gabriel )))))))))))))))
I have words I could say but feel so messed up myself I don't want to share them I wish you peace and healing

[Perna]

Yes, I think the article was scare mongering. She wasn't very specific, gave no references in support of her "facts" and I went looking hard to see about accidentally injury during SI and could find nothing but this article! I think she made it up, having never SI'd herself or known many clients who had (obviously).

That's not to say someone should go ahead and cut anyway, that it's safe and good! And that you were frightened by the article, Gabriel, might be a good thing for you, an "awareness" wake-up call that there's more out there related to SI than just "release" of your pain. There are other ways to release pain, to deal with it, resolve it; that the SIing has a "root" also that is not the SIing itself that needs addressing.

Don't let other people with their own agendas dictate what you want and what you think and do. They might "inform" you but if you don't like what they say, don't agree with it or it is not something you're comfortable with, let it go. If it "sticks" and has trouble being let go of, look at why it sticks, what's going on underneath for you. But it's a "thing" and things outside of you cannot hurt you! You're in charge of you. What you say/decide/think/feel, etc., goes.

[blah__x]

thanks guys.. your right. the chances of hitting an artery are low ( i'm not cutting my neck ) but it still doesnt mean that cutting is particularly good.

but in a way that thing scared me long enough to atleast stop me when i was pretty dangerous.

i'll have to some up with something else then..

(((((( hugs to all ))))))