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Old Feb 19, 2010, 12:33 AM
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thanks myers, i was really wondering and i was afraid to ask m' sister!!

oh so cute. i think 13 is so hot though.
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Stupidly, I became involved with a sociopath upon my divorce. I was 47, he 32. Very manipulative, sexual and excellent at getting other people to fill his needs. I was like a babe in the woods to this person. Now, many years after, I'm amazed and appalled that I succumbed to this person, who ultimately tried to kill me, breaking into my house with a gun. But, like all bad experiences, it does make us more aware.
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Lynn, in response to your post I would like to comment that it's probably both factors, heredity and environment.
I was the sister to a man who definately had showed the signs of antisocial personality disorder. Believe me it was very, very hard being his sister. His explosive rages and constant mistreament of me make me wonder at how I survived being his sister. Anyway, I digress. What I want to tell you and everyone else is that my younger brother was badly abused as a child by our father and as a infant he was always "cholicky". So that makes me wonder if both heredity and environment are responsible in my brother's case.
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Old May 02, 2010, 08:08 PM
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Michele, APD is a sociopath. They have no feelings so they do not care how others treat them. They just dump them and move on.
It sounds pretty much like narcissists. But I understood that they are several different types of sociopaths.
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Thanks Myers for your wonderful comments above.

I have an 11 year old son who has a blend of intermittent explosive disorder, opposition defiance disorder, ADHD .. and who knows what else. Does this put him into the category being called a psychopath. He is adopted at birth and there were drugs in the womb in the first 6 weeks. He is so abusive, threatening, and mean yet at times can be an ok kid. When the weather is stormy he is at his worst. He was aggressively threatening me with a hammer the other day and I called the police on him. Lots of verbal abuse from him.

He can be caring at times when he reads about someone's predicament. I am totally at odds on what to do. My x-wife and I feel totally abused by him, I am leaving soon for extended periods of time because I want to get a way, my x is a bit freaked out on what to do with him. He has threatened her that if we put him in a institution of some type he will come kill her when he gets out.

Insights from others are much appreciated.
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I woule find a pdoc for children that specialise in ODD. If you start him with a good t, you have a good chance that he can get better. Good luck.
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I woule find a pdoc for children that specialise in ODD. If you start him with a good t, you have a good chance that he can get better. Good luck.

Tomorrow we are meeting with a Psychologist who is going to advise us about two programs: a home for 10-12 year olds where they focus on intensive skills and therapy for 3-6 months and about a program which involves an intensive in-home psychologist support.

We have been working with support for few years. Sometimes he is better but other times the challenge is much bigger. Right now it seems to be monstrous.
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Old May 24, 2010, 04:58 AM
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I've heard of an experimental treatment that stimulates areas of the brain, but there's no evidence as of yet that it's beneficial. And I'm against a cure for psychopathy. A sudden onslaught of emotion to a person who previously had none can be detrimental to that person's health.
i just wanted to comment on this - due to some things that happened i shut down my emotions for years - then somthing happened and it let them all out of the box - i worked hard with a T to identify the emotions and .. i dont know.. accept them - it was like standing i n a storm and having them whirling arund me all at once and i had to try and pick one out - realise what it was and learn to deal wiht it appropriately - T says im high functioing BPD wiht PTSD - labels lol

I just wanted to let you know Myers that although it could an would be uncomfortable initially it may be of benefit to you if such a therapy is proved to be effective and should you wish to take it

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Hmm this is all interesting. It is making me question which one my ex is. He was diagnosed as a sociopath but I personally think now that he was born that way. So how do you tell the real difference? I know my ex has planned out murders and doesn't think anything of it and I think that if the time would come up he would do it. I know he doesn't know what love is. And it was always crocodile tears you could see him trying to make them come out. He keeps repeating behaviors. Lies cheats been in prison former addict calls his own son horrible horrible things. Would get off sexually on people that were in tears at his behavior. Does this seem more like sociopath or psychopath? I don't think it will change how I feel about my ex or what he has done but perhaps the next person I encounter that has one or the other of these afflictions. So how do you really realize which one is which?
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ASPDs are a product of their childhood. Their mommies were crack addicts, or their daddies were alcoholics, and they lost sight of why it is they should follow the order of hypocrites. What they didn't realize is that those hypocrite parental figures aren't the only ones doling out punishment. The justice system fancies it as well. Their behavior is learned. They were privileged with every ability to feel love, to care for others, to understand - truly understand - right from wrong. They just ignore it.

Psychopaths, on the other hand, we're a product only of God's twisted sense of humor. Our amoral nature is inherit, and something never to be changed, even when reared in a loving home. And, unlike our lesser counterparts, we were stricken with the inability to ever know love, or to give affection for another human being. To us, emotion, real heartfelt emotion, is nothing more than an elusive myth. And for those who dare attempt to care about us, their lives will bear the brunt of our hatred for humanity... because, in the end, all we have to give is a deep-seated core of rage and pain!

im kind of confused about how feeling emotions towards other people makes you less than someone else. i do feel bad that its hard for you to control your impulses. i think about what it would be like to murder someone but i wouldnt actually do it...(damn that sounds sick). i dont think god puts people on earth to kill. maybe your brain is just different from most peoples brains.
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Scientific research has found that the culprit is the amydala (that little nut sized part of the brain does not process or work like other people's brains. They are not less than other people although some people refer to them as humans without a concious. Dealing with them is extremely difficult. I have emathy with anyone that has to deal with them.
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im kind of confused about how feeling emotions towards other people makes you less than someone else.
Whoever said that?

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i do feel bad that its hard for you to control your impulses. i think about what it would be like to murder someone but i wouldnt actually do it...(damn that sounds sick). i dont think god puts people on earth to kill. maybe your brain is just different from most peoples brains.
That's great. You should never murder anyone; it's wrong.

It is a result of brain "abnormality". But I'm starting to think it isn't a disorder but simply evolution. Intraspecies predators have been documented in nature as well as in human behavior. Now I just have to convince the rest of society that it's normal and should be accepted. Time to rally for the psychopaths' rights movement.
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Time to rally for the psychopaths' rights movement.
Haha! Can we have parades and make t-shirts?

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quote Myers:

And for those who dare attempt to care about us, their lives will bear the brunt of our hatred for humanity... because, in the end, all we have to give is a deep-seated core of rage and pain!

End quote.

ok i bolded the last words...... care to explain? rage at not being understood perhaps? pain at same?

I am just trying to understand .......

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ok i bolded the last words...... care to explain? rage at not being understood perhaps? pain at same?

I am just trying to understand .......

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That's an interesting question. I don't understand from where the rage comes, only that it does, and it's very, very intense, however fleeting. And it's often triggered by insolence and perceived lack of control on the psychopath's part. This is why psychopath's don't target each other when looking for victims. The results are often devastating for both parties.
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can i watch that race ??? LOL i do so much enjoy chatting with the both of you. Gus

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be afraid,, shambala, be very afraid. these are not idle threats, usually, if i'm reading you correctly. my older brother has a definate APD, not sure if it's socio, or psycho, but he's one scarey dude, and the only thing that saved me was a total freak-out rage disorder, which made me an unprofitable target.
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No, they're not usually idle threats. In times of that intense, momentary rage, I hardly even deal with threats. I just start throwing things. Although, it depends on external factors.
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I became interested in this, when I saw a special on Tv about psychopaths, primarily criminal ones. I was amazed to learn, that when their brains were scanned - they all showed the same area in the brain that was different.
Which proves -- what? Nothing about its origins. Or (IMO), it proves that they are that way from birth to people who want to believe that anyway. It makes everything easier if you believe that; you don't have to do any more thinking! All questions are answered, no more (troublesome) thought is necessary.
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Which proves -- what? Nothing about its origins. Or (IMO), it proves that they are that way from birth to people who want to believe that anyway. It makes everything easier if you believe that; you don't have to do any more thinking! All questions are answered, no more (troublesome) thought is necessary.
It proves everything about its origins. That particular finding has been researched and studied for years. Experts in the field agree with it. Just because that answer doesn't satisfy you doesn't make it any less true.
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It proves everything about its origins. That particular finding has been researched and studied for years. Experts in the field agree with it. Just because that answer doesn't satisfy you doesn't make it any less true.
Just because "experts" have agreed does not make it true.

Now you may say "Who are you to be disputing the words of experts?" Well -- it is possible. For a long time, the "experts" said the earth was the center of the universe, and the stars and planets were imbedded in a crystal sphere that surrounded the earth, in perfect harmony. Only the harmony turned out not to be quite perfect...

Scary, isn't it? To think that the "experts" might be wrong...
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there is a book called my brain made me do it. if we all blame our brains for evertything then we get rid of the personal responsibility. no one can be blamed for any of their actions because it is intrinsically in us to do those actions. at some point regardless of how our brains are made we still have to make good decisions for some it may be harder but we still need to do so and also be held responsible if we do not.
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