Attempted or idealation of suicide more in the manic or depressive phase of bipolar?

I was reminded of something bad yesterday. We were talking about my CJ-7 jeep and bringing it to CR.

I remembered that it had no passenger door. ( the doors are the soft type. ) warning--

This happened in an extremely manic episode.

I'm more apt to try something stupid when I'm in that state rather than depression.
( except the new episode I experienced black mania ( could be a mixed state) last year.
Then it's the dreaded in patient hospital.

What's your experience been?

Both. I'm equally scared of each I guess. Mania brings impulsive actions.... depression brings planning. Both can end badly for me. I'm sorry about your car experience and hope you feel better now. Don't do that again!

i am a rapid cycler often in a mixed state. i like that term 'black mania' it describes it. or maybe 'black lightening.' when i rapid cycle i go through dramatic switches in mood at least twice a day. i wake up with tons of energy, a huge list of all i want to accomplish, uncaffeinated energy;and after a few hours i get down and cant do things like showering or going out to the grocery store and i blow the list off. my suicide attempts are always in the dpressive phase

Thanks Mars.
It was sometime back. My husband caught me by the belt loop of my pants. Thank heavens I didn't cause an accident. But he drove me home to switch cars and directly to hospital.

Last year was bad.
This year I've been in Costa Rica. I've only had one episode here in 20 years. So usually this is a safe place for me to be.

I'm also off opioids. This keeps me more stable. But if they could make a mild opioid mixed with something it would work very well for treatment.

But I suppose people who suffer bipolar self medicate with cocaine too, my brother did for years. He ran into trouble when he switched to crystal meth. Big trouble. That stuff eats your teeth!

Good thing someone strong was around to hold you back and thank goodness your belt loop didn't give out!!!!

Good job on making positive changes in your life. You sound proud of yourself and you should be.

I never thought about sui (love that sui thing) while manic. Why should I?.

I think about it constantly when depressed, but I'm in control enough to not do anything. It's when I'm mixed - or in the black mania as you call it - that it's dangerous. I've only impulsively attempted once in my life but I've done other things that could have killed me several times. Mostly extreme self injury. When I'm in a happy mania I think I'm the greatest person in the world so I don't think of killing myself.

Mixed is my danger phase. Depressed I think about it a lot, but I'm unlikely to do anything about it. Mixed is when I end up in the hospital because my thoughts turn into plans and actions.

That term Black Mania is used in my DBSA support group. It's a depression with the energy and force of mania.
The worst episode of my life. Well I think the one I had at age 19 was one Black too.
I'm in my mid 50's. Menopause was very hard. Had to keep changing my psych Meds. Regular MD didn't want me on hormones. ( why, I don't know
But I haven't had anymore Sui thoughts.
Sometimes if I let myself get upset about my weight,( Seraquel. ) then I get a little bit, like if I were dead I wouldn't have to worry about it.
I've been pretty active and lean most of my life. But I do have skinny and fat clothes.
My arms are much better since swimming. No more sagging skin. Yay.
Now it's time to rid cellulite on upper thighs and get rid of new tummy.
Boobs are huge, but were big to begin with,so ok.

This. Mania; impulsive and severe depression; planning. The impulsive is actually the more dangerous of the two.

The ideation is bad for me when I'm in the throws of depression, just getting over a phase that lasted months. So grateful to be feeling better

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Congratulations on feeling better !

I had an attempt in my birthday when I was extremely depressed.

depression .... if I had mixed I would think that would be the most dangerous time ... sui with energy to act .... me just darkness and sui ... i really can't believe the differnce a few weeks can make ...

For me I dont do much self harm thinking in mania, in depression I do lots of planning and have very intense thoughts but I would definately say when I am mixed i am most dangerous. Because I am extremely agitated and have a plan. Thankfully I've been able to catch myself and get care.

My ECT brain fry has been forgetting lots of what I've done. I guess when I think about it and someone gives me some background,I've had some close calls.
I can only hope and pray that I'll never try again.

I've never purposely harmed myself while manic but that's when I'm accident prone. I'm more likely to willfully harm myself--I've made a few lame attempts, while in a long lasting depression. I'm very indecisive while depressed and therefore unlikely to come up with what seems to be a good plan for ending it all. I am frightened that there will come a time I do come up with a plan to carry out successfully. I really rather succumb to some other illness.

My most dangerous phase is when I'm in a mixed state. The depressions tells me all is lost, it is hopeless and I also have delusions surrounding death (like if I kill myself I will be transported to another better dimension). The mania gives me the energy, motivation and impulsiveness to act. I get very irritable when mixed and it can become unbearable. It is in this state that most of my attempts have occurred. When euphoric and manic I do put myself in danger but i don't want to die.

The same. Mixed is very bad. Because you have the energy to do it.

I wonder if some organization like NAMI keeps track of why and when a person is successful in Sui.
Or scientists. To better help pdocs and T docs to help us ?

My last major depressive cycle landed me in the hospital with suicidal ideation/intent. I'm scared of mixed episodes though, they combine bad feelings with energy and it's downright dangerous. Thank God, I haven't had one in a couple of years.

Ideation only in depression, but it's almost always just a passive hope.

On the other hand with mania, I've done something dangerous like go outside towards a dark road in my pajamas in the middle of a big city that I don't live in past midnight with no id, money, or anything. And I threw away the hotel key in the elevator. All this was because I thought it was the only way to escape a metaphorical hell. The hell of having to lay in bed all night while manic and everyone else is sleeping (I felt like I was in there for days) was comparable to the 'hell' I experienced growing up. Not that I had a bad childhood or anything, but there were a few experiences which I feel like messed me up emotionally for a few years. Leaving the hotel was very freeing, though what could have happened had my spouse not found me could have been disastrous. No sui intentions behind it at all.

Being locked in an er and then later a locked ward a few days later was disappointing to say the least. All that progress regarding my self-esteem and standing up for myself was just ripped away and I felt worse about myself than ever.

9 times out of 10, i think about suicide only in the depressed part

9 times out of 10, i try something in the depressed part.

Here's to never getting in a Sui state again any of us. I pray we stay safe. Much Love.

For me ideation happens in the depressive phase.