Darn you, Pema Chödrön! Why did you have to write all of those books... allow all of those video clips to be uploaded onto YouTube? Why do you make all of those quotes available every week so that they can be sent to me to read? I'm depressed, I'm ill, & I'm just plain worn down! I've had it, you hear me? I just want it all to end! No... I can write plainer than that... I just want to get rid of myself!

But every time I think I'm about ready to take another stab at it (no pun intended) I see your wrinkled old face & hear your gentle voice saying: "They're only thoughts, Skeez... like clouds drifting across a blue sky. They can't harm you. They can only try to trick you into harming yourself. Just breathe into them... accept them with compassion & lovingkindness... & let them drift away at their leisure. You could even put your hand over your heart as a sign of your acceptance of these misshapen little trolls. You can hold your seat, Skeez. You don't need to allow yourself to be carried off...

How on earth an I going to hit my delete button if every time my finger begins to move in that direction, you pop up & confront me with this unharsh reality I just don't know what I'm gonna do! Oh, see, here you are again...

[vital]

Originally Posted by The Skeezyks

Darn you, Pema Chödrön! Why did you have to write all of those books... allow all of those video clips to be uploaded onto YouTube? Why do you make all of those quotes available every week so that they can be sent to me to read? I'm depressed, I'm ill, & I'm just plain worn down! I've had it, you hear me? I just want it all to end! No... I can write plainer than that... I just want to get rid of myself!

But every time I think I'm about ready to take another stab at it (no pun intended) I see your wrinkled old face & hear your gentle voice saying: "They're only thoughts, Skeez... like clouds drifting across a blue sky. They can't harm you. They can only try to trick you into harming yourself. Just breathe into them... accept them with compassion & lovingkindness... & let them drift away at their leisure. You could even put your hand over your heart as a sign of your acceptance of these misshapen little trolls. You can hold your seat, Skeez. You don't need to allow yourself to be carried off...

How on earth an I going to hit my delete button if every time my finger begins to move in that direction, you pop up & confront me with this unharsh reality I just don't know what I'm gonna do! Oh, see, here you are again...

Hey Skeez,

She's new to me. Thanks!

I like Thich Nhat Hahn and Eckart Tolle too.

- vital

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[Frankbtl]

Hi Skeezyks, you're right!!!! YOU should be getting the credit!!!!
It's one thing putting all that forward/guiding people but it takes an amazing kind of strength to be taking that on board to be following it, to be breaking through those thoughts/feelings............!!!! That is something else entirely!!!!
So you............you're someone we can seriously admire, whatever you're going through. We'll just give Pema a little bit of credit though, hey??!!

Alison

[Altered Moment]

Can I ask you if the thoughts you are having the only thing that troubles you? I mean how do you feel physically? No energy? No motivation? Want to sleep? Dealing with thoughts with loving acceptance through meditation is awesome but if you have all those other symptoms it can sure drag you down.

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[gayleggg]

Skeez, I get those quotes too. I'm glad that she has had such a good influence on you.

I also read Eckhart Tolle and Thich Nhat Hahn in fact, I just got in the books I ordered of Thich Nhat Hahn' today.

Hang in there.

[Clara22]

Thanks a lot for mentioning this author! On the other hand, as Zinco suggests, perhaps you could investigate your health in general. Unknowingly I was with anemia, hypothyroidism and chronic bone infection, and those illnesses complicated my depression even more.

[Altered Moment]

Originally Posted by Clara22

Thanks a lot for mentioning this author! On the other hand, as Zinco suggests, perhaps you could investigate your health in general. Unknowingly I was with anemia, hypothyroidism and chronic bone infection, and those illnesses complicated my depression even more.

I was talking specifically of all the other symptoms of depression besides thought processes. Stuff maybe meditation doesn't fix. It can wear you down.

I too have read lots of tich na hang and tai chi stuff and have been meditating for twenty years. For me it doesn't fix all the symptoms.

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Originally Posted by zinco14532323

Can I ask you if the thoughts you are having the only thing that troubles you? I mean how do you feel physically? No energy? No motivation? Want to sleep? Dealing with thoughts with loving acceptance through meditation is awesome but if you have all those other symptoms it can sure drag you down.

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I've had 2 illnesses in the past 4 weeks, first a respiratory illness, now a head cold, plus I have a kidney stone that doesn't appear like it's going to pass on its own. It's wearing me down.

[Altered Moment]

They blasted my big ole kidney stone with ultra sound. Full anastesia. If worked, pulverized that sucker.

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[eggplantlife]

Originally Posted by zinco14532323

I was talking specifically of all the other symptoms of depression besides thought processes. Stuff maybe meditation doesn't fix. It can wear you down.

I too have read lots of tich na hang and tai chi stuff and have been meditating for twenty years. For me it doesn't fix all the symptoms.

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I really believe that meditation is my cure and that I have not been doing it right. This is second time a person mention that it isn't a cure. I have to believe in something. So these 8 years that my life have been a mess, I have tried this road. And while things have not improved, I still have to believe. I tried so hard to believe that I am better. But I am losing more people...maybe people I didn't have anyway.

Some says it gets better. I also am not part of any group in meditation anymore more I have to do it on my own.

[Altered Moment]

Originally Posted by eggplantlife

I really believe that meditation is my cure and that I have not been doing it right. This is second time a person mention that it isn't a cure. I have to believe in something. So these 8 years that my life have been a mess, I have tried this road. And while things have not improved, I still have to believe. I tried so hard to believe that I am better. But I am losing more people...maybe people I didn't have anyway.

Some says it gets better. I also am not part of any group in meditation anymore more I have to do it on my own.

I am not saying meditation can't be a cure. I think it can for some. I just meant in my case it hasn't been a cure. Twenty years of practice tells me that. I love meditation though. I would not give it up for anything. I think it has overall helped me and my life a huge amount. I will keep pursuing it. It's just that I still keep getting depressions. Maybe if I dedicated my life to it like a yogi I could master all the processes in my mind and body....I dunno.

[vital]

Originally Posted by eggplantlife

I really believe that meditation is my cure and that I have not been doing it right. This is second time a person mention that it isn't a cure. I have to believe in something. So these 8 years that my life have been a mess, I have tried this road. And while things have not improved, I still have to believe. I tried so hard to believe that I am better. But I am losing more people...maybe people I didn't have anyway.

Some says it gets better. I also am not part of any group in meditation anymore more I have to do it on my own.

Hi eggplant. I have consistently noticed that people say that mediation worked for them but only after going at it seriously for a couple of weeks. I can imagine that it may take some time and creativity on your part. You might also want to try "SNAP CLUB"

http://forums.psychcentral.com/depre...n-escaped.html

This is very easy to try and one dimension of it is present moment awareness where snapping your fingers is your "bell of mindfulness".

- vital

[QUOTE=zinco14532323;4149338]They blasted my big ole kidney stone with ultra sound. Full anastesia. If worked, pulverized that sucker.

Yes, I've read about this on-line. I don't know if it's what's in store for me or not. Was done on any out-patient basis?

[Altered Moment]

[QUOTE=The Skeezyks;4150432]

Originally Posted by zinco14532323

They blasted my big ole kidney stone with ultra sound. Full anastesia. If worked, pulverized that sucker.

Yes, I've read about this on-line. I don't know if it's what's in store for me or not. Was done on any out-patient basis?

Yes it was outpatient. I don't understand why they had to put me fully under for it. They knocked me out, blasted it, I woke up in a bed and then went home. A little sore in that area. It bruised some but not really uncomfortable. Then I had to filter the pee and collect the little fragments. They wanted them I guess to analyse the minerals. It was east and non invasive and worked like a charm. Immediate relief.

[Altered Moment]

Meditation

Meditation for Anxiety and Depression? - 01/06/2014

To conduct their review, the investigators focused on 47 clinical trials performed through June 2013 among 3,515 participants that involved meditation and various mental and physical health issues, including depression, anxiety, stress, insomnia, substance use, diabetes, heart disease, cancer and chronic pain. They found moderate evidence of improvement in symptoms of anxiety, depression and pain after participants underwent what was typically an eight-week training program in mindfulness meditation. They discovered low evidence of improvement in stress and quality of life. There was not enough information to determine whether other areas could be improved by meditation. In the studies that followed participants for six months, the improvements typically continued.

I noticed that the article said the study participants did not have "full-blown depression or anxiety".

[Altered Moment]

Yeah and it seemed to include lots if different medical conditions. I would guess it works better for milder forms. It was looking at a bunch if different studies. I can look for other studies.

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[Altered Moment]

I couldn't find much else on meditation and depression. Just the John Hopkins one. I think it has been studies a lot but not directly for depression and anxiety.

Here is an article that talks about it and exercise. Cardio exercise is so hard when you are depressed and can't get out of bed.

Exercise, Yoga, and Meditation for Depressive and Anxiety Disorders - American Family Physician

I believe there have been a number on brain imaging and meditation not specific for depression. Here is one that talks about the amygdala. The amygdala is for sure possibly implicated in depression other studies show.

Meditation?s positive residual effects | Harvard Gazette