[nowheretorun]

maybe i think too much but i was thinking over the ways internet and real life communities compare... what are the differences, what are the similarities?

in real life communities we have a group of people who come together sharing common goals such as providing ourselves with safe and comfortable surroundings (similar to internet communities)

in real life communities members are asked to maintain responsible behaviors for the benefit of the community (as in internet communities)

in real life communities we have groups of people whose specific duties are to assist in maintaining the peace and good welfare of others (police, social workers, doctors, lawyers, firefighters, utility workers, etc..)

in internet communities we have a group of fellow members whose task it is to monitor the actions and behaviors of others in such a way that we all feel safe and cared for (our mods )

in real life communities we experience fear and concern whenever there is an event that disturbs the good of the whole (as in internet communities)

in real life communities and cyber communities we have agreements, disagreements, decision and choices

in real life and cyber communities we asked for tolerance and understanding of our neighbors peace and well being

in real life communities we need places like grocery stores and laundromats to fill in the gaps where some have less advantage than others (not really needed in a cyber community lol)

in real life communities personal responsibility and self discipline are major contributors to the safety of the environment (something cyber communities also need in order to remain friendly, kind and loving)

in real life communities we have people from diverse backgrounds coming together and pooling talents in such a way as to provide for individual needs and in so doing contribute comforts and necessities for the members

in cyber communities we have individuals with individual motives and self needs like in a real life community...

what is each individuals personal responsibility to create and maintain a safe environment for members in either cyber or real life communities?

how many ways can we think of that cyber communities and real life communities are the same/not the same?

thanks to all for your input and may each of you have a blessed and wonderful day

Originally Posted by nowheretorun

maybe i think too much but i was thinking over the ways internet and real life communities compare... what are the differences, what are the similarities?

in real life communities we have a group of people who come together sharing common goals such as providing ourselves with safe and comfortable surroundings (similar to internet communities)

in real life communities members are asked to maintain responsible behaviors for the benefit of the community (as in internet communities)

in real life communities we have groups of people whose specific duties are to assist in maintaining the peace and good welfare of others (police, social workers, doctors, lawyers, firefighters, utility workers, etc..)

in internet communities we have a group of fellow members whose task it is to monitor the actions and behaviors of others in such a way that we all feel safe and cared for (our mods )

in real life communities we experience fear and concern whenever there is an event that disturbs the good of the whole (as in internet communities)

in real life communities and cyber communities we have agreements, disagreements, decision and choices

in real life and cyber communities we asked for tolerance and understanding of our neighbors peace and well being

in real life communities we need places like grocery stores and laundromats to fill in the gaps where some have less advantage than others (not really needed in a cyber community lol)

in real life communities personal responsibility and self discipline are major contributors to the safety of the environment (something cyber communities also need in order to remain friendly, kind and loving)

in real life communities we have people from diverse backgrounds coming together and pooling talents in such a way as to provide for individual needs and in so doing contribute comforts and necessities for the members

in cyber communities we have individuals with individual motives and self needs like in a real life community...

what is each individuals personal responsibility to create and maintain a safe environment for members in either cyber or real life communities?

how many ways can we think of that cyber communities and real life communities are the same/not the same?

thanks to all for your input and may each of you have a blessed and wonderful day

IRL communities we care about the ppl around us , just like in cyber space
we devolopa group of friends.

IRL and cyber we all share our familys our ups and down , we hope for support just like irl

IRL ppl can see our faces so they know if we are sad or happy
In cyber world it depends on what we write..
IRL we can all swim...cyber I have not figured that out yet lol

Both I feel can live by a set of morals that we all live by..IRL and cyber

In both worlds protection is needed ...I have to say IRL you can pick up the phone and call 911. Here in cyber world we depend on each other

In both communitys the strongest feeling is ppl would like connection., that someone cares, that there is hope. and kindness and Love.

I forgot one thing here at pc ...you all let me know i matter and my kids and pets ..
You all make me smile ...priceless

[Michah]

Nowwheretorun and Muffy........

I admire your warmth and generous natures.......

I lack the ability to recognise communities......I wish i did.

All communities in real life and on here make me feel overwhelmed......people make me feel overwhelmed.......it is all too "loud" sometimes and I react in defense......

I am only good around people I know and trust implicitely(probably because I cannot tell when people are lying......I am a little naive!!).

I have tried both irl and on here to be proactive, to not see all life as a science experiment.......I am really good around scientists! I can argue with them and not walk away feeling like they have been hurt as we do not discuss feelings, only what is given or being explored.

I feel homesick when I see people connect, divulge and interact so easily. It is only on my bad days that I feel needy for validation.

So as much as the group has been rewarding and I have met some wonderful people, I have never felt so isolated as well......it is only when i am confronted with this conundrum that I realise my deficiencies......

I will keep trying.......the connection will happen one day......and I will really enjoy it.

Thanks for this post......but I can't really answer your question......I have no idea.

PS. Sorry Nowheretorun, bit off topic.....but big hugs to you

(((Michah)))))) I wanted to say I think you answered the post very well.
((ty)) for what you said ..
you said "All communities in real life and on here make me feel overwhelmed......people make me feel overwhelmed.......it is all too "loud" sometimes and I react in defense......

I am only good around people I know and trust implicitely(probably because I cannot tell when people are lying......I am a little naive!!)."

I too am a little naive.,.....please know you are part of this community even if you feel you want to be quiet at times.
IRL and in the cyber world there are all different types of ppl. You getting along with scientists..is just who you are
hope it was ok i replyed again

[nowheretorun]

(((Micah))))))

I lack the ability to recognise communities......I wish i did.

i too spent many years wondering how i fit, whats it all about, moving in and out of societies many circles, amazed and overwhelmed and feeling not good enough, that i didnt matter, that there was no purpose, that we all were going downhill fast with no safe place to be.... maybe they are the feelings of youth, feeling powerless, it has gotten easier with time, as i shaped myself, my own beliefs, asked questions and searched for answers, the answers finally came, with time... it was no easy undertaking to know that i matter, but not more than any other, that we each matter and play a part in the huge opera of real life... any small act of kindness makes huge differences...

i see you as someone kind, who searches honestly, puts truthful effort forward, who analyzes and accepts only truths, knowing that only truth is the foundation you can firmly stand on... in science, discoveries are built on truths and you are discovering more each day.... the reward of your searching begins to unfold in time....

i can only advise that you follow the ways of kindness, as you already are doing, only you know your personal questions and only you will understand when you have received the answers you are seeking... when that happens each piece of the puzzle will softly fall into place and you will begin having solid ground to walk upon on your journey... you are becoming what you have always been, you are peeling back the layers of misunderstanding to rediscover the innocence of your childhood, a place where you can feel safe enough to learn and share, in an environment that supports and does not destroy... keep true to your own faith and belief in goodness, it is in your own heart you will know that today what you have done is right

(((muffy))))))) a place where love is.... how could i possibly have left that out? see, you do matter

[Michah]

Originally Posted by nowheretorun

(((Micah))))))

I lack the ability to recognise communities......I wish i did.

i too spent many years wondering how i fit, whats it all about, moving in and out of societies many circles, amazed and overwhelmed and feeling not good enough, that i didnt matter, that there was no purpose, that we all were going downhill fast with no safe place to be.... maybe they are the feelings of youth, feeling powerless, it has gotten easier with time, as i shaped myself, my own beliefs, asked questions and searched for answers, the answers finally came, with time... it was no easy undertaking to know that i matter, but not more than any other, that we each matter and play a part in the huge opera of real life... any small act of kindness makes huge differences...

i see you as someone kind, who searches honestly, puts truthful effort forward, who analyzes and accepts only truths, knowing that only truth is the foundation you can firmly stand on... in science, discoveries are built on truths and you are discovering more each day.... the reward of your searching begins to unfold in time....

i can only advise that you follow the ways of kindness, as you already are doing, only you know your personal questions and only you will understand when you have received the answers you are seeking... when that happens each piece of the puzzle will softly fall into place and you will begin having solid ground to walk upon on your journey... you are becoming what you have always been, you are peeling back the layers of misunderstanding to rediscover the innocence of your childhood, a place where you can feel safe enough to learn and share, in an environment that supports and does not destroy... keep true to your own faith and belief in goodness, it is in your own heart you will know that today what you have done is right

(((muffy))))))) a place where love is.... how could i possibly have left that out? see, you do matter

It is this very reply and Muffys as well that make it all worth while.......the gems of advice that resonate soundly with me......energy creates heat in some instances and that is what I achieved in reading these replies........despite my warmth as a human being, the fires need to be stoked by some well meaning and truthful statements with heartfelt clarity.....

Thank you, thank you, thank you.......I feel a bit teary.......that is good!! I was a little lost and now I am a little found.....

Big warm hugs to you Nowheretorun and Muffy.......thank you for your support through this wild terrain.....

Michah

[VickiesPath]

Originally Posted by Michah

It is this very reply and Muffys as well that make it all worth while.......the gems of advice that resonate soundly with me......energy creates heat in some instances and that is what I achieved in reading these replies........despite my warmth as a human being, the fires need to be stoked by some well meaning and truthful statements with heartfelt clarity.....

Thank you, thank you, thank you.......I feel a bit teary.......that is good!! I was a little lost and now I am a little found.....

Big warm hugs to you Nowheretorun and Muffy.......thank you for your support through this wild terrain.....

Michah

Yes, Michah, this is what makes it all worthwhile.

It was not too long ago that I could have written something very similar to your first response. I did not trust anyone, let alone a "community". I had not yet learned that I had the power to limit who I trusted and to set effective boundries in order to distcriminately let whomever I wished to get a little closer after very close scrutiny.

When I was a young girl, I used to have a nightmare that repeated until I left my parents' home. I dreamed that the house was on fire and back then, we had dial phones. I could never dial the correct number for the fire department. The nightmare played over and over and over and over until I woke up sweating and crying.

It took me years to realize, with the help of T, that this nightmare represented the helplessness I felt growing up in an alcoholic home.

I am telling you the truth when I tell you that only two months ago (I am 56 years old) I had the courage to tell my husband about my most vulnerable times right before I planned my most recent suicide attempt. Always before, I had not told anyone but a professional the details because I didn't trust anyone else. Always before, he never was privvy to the stark details which preceded my hospitalizations.

I know what it feels like to not trust. I also know how important it is to be accepted and loved and supported when you cannot trust in return because that is not where you are at.

Thank you so much for contributing and sharing about your truth.

Originally Posted by Michah

It is this very reply and Muffys as well that make it all worth while.......the gems of advice that resonate soundly with me......energy creates heat in some instances and that is what I achieved in reading these replies........despite my warmth as a human being, the fires need to be stoked by some well meaning and truthful statements with heartfelt clarity.....

Thank you, thank you, thank you.......I feel a bit teary.......that is good!! I was a little lost and now I am a little found.....

Big warm hugs to you Nowheretorun and Muffy.......thank you for your support through this wild terrain.....

Michah

((Michah)))))))))))))) my friend you are found....

(((ty))(((nowheretorun))))) for saying I matter .....you matter too

[nowheretorun]

thanks again Micah and Vickie (welcome to the site!)

Vickie, i have been working on a thread relative to the issues you raise regarding trust and abusive pasts... i am editing it into this thread because i thuink it pertains to your concerns... here is the edited, re-edited, re-re-edited version lol

(((muffy))) communities are about connections, yes, you are right

(((((muffy))))))) kindest, dearest, sweetest one

i hear you that this topic is one which has impacted and affected you personally, the life of your family, affected you deeply, is of great concern to you, as it is to the many also and i apologize for what i might have said, might say, that triggers you or anyone reading... my prayer is for my words to be gentle, but clear, caring, hopeful, helpful...... it is fine to ask for clarity anytime there is confusion or misunderstanding and i will try my hardest to explain my thoughts for you or anyone

to say 'they can only harm those who let them' is not intended to mean permission in the normal sense of allowing others to do what they want to us and accepting fault for not stopping them, but instead to mean that our beliefs in what is good and healthy must be stronger than our fears, as you have shown many times to me that you understand..

we do not allow or invite or expect that a bully will latch onto us, nor is it in any way enjoyed... it is a thing which happens when we are simply in the process of being ourselves and it is uninvited and very harmful, not only to ourselves, but to others in our society... the ripple effect...

we cannot deny that we have such predators in our midst ... with ''freedom' comes 'free will' not to be confused with 'good will' ... some see freedom as the opportunity and right to cause harm to others.... and simply loving and praying for them is not enough, it is only one way in which we can convert fear to strength....

departments and colleges and professionals look at this problem daily and there is research being performed continuously to put an end to this societal terror, our prayer is that these professionals and predators meet and a miracle of healing happens... in the meantime we do the best for ourselves by choosing love, not fear, as i know you have chosen in every path you step at all times... my love always gentle one

http://forums.psychcentral.com/showt...=103299&page=3

[Elysium]

Very nice post everyone!!

It is nice to think and realize how much our cyber-community has in common with RL and how much it can be different.

One way I think they are the same, is when it gets cold IRL, we can always find a way to warm up if we use our resources. In PC, it is the same. In PC there is always someone available to offer us a warm comfy blanket to help fight the chill, if we choose to seek it out.

One way they are different....IRL I cannot seem to let my guard down enough to trust many, other than T's, with my deepest fears and emotions. On PC, I feel I can, and I think others feel the same. Even though we are cautious and aware, we still allow ourselves to drop our wall a bit and let others in.

Micah~You stated that you didn't know how to answer Muffy's question. In a way you did just that. You were able to explain how you felt and how you couldn't quite tell the difference between cyber-community and RL community as it doesn't seem/feel much different for you. AND...that is how they are the same. In both types of communities, there are people that feel emotionally lost, who wander through life unable to figure things out. I feel like I am there myself right now. And it's okay to be were you are. You will experience it someday, and I'm glad that even though it can be really challenging and, I'm sure, scary for you, that you still come to PC and join in the community. I hope this made some sense. It kind of felt a bit like I was rambling. At any rate...I'm glad you're here!!

For clarity sake I want to say that when I was cyber stalked and it went to real life..
It had nothing to do with pc.
I want to say I have made some very good friends here as irl who know my story.
My story has nothing to do with pc....
As IRL and the cyber world things can get confusing. IRL you can just explain it. In cyber world it sometimes appears different than it is.
I have gotten at pc a huge family....one I had lost....for that i am ever grateful for..

[nowheretorun]

ty (((Elysium)))))

Even though we are cautious and aware, we still allow ourselves to drop our wall a bit and let others in.

im not too sure how others may see it, but for me, i came to PC as a way to make positive connections, to seek help with questions, to find others also learning to find their way along the path of healing.. i had searched for it in my real life society and seen faint traces of the kind listening i needed in places but always felt i had overstayed my welcome, asked too many questions, didnt get the meanings soon enough... with PC i was able to quickly identify with others sorrow, empathize, be empathized with... it was a place that allowed me to have the time i needed to come to the realizations i needed to come to... one thing i sense in this community was that even though i might at times have misunderstandings, confusion, i have never felt unwelcome as i did at times in my real society and the good people in this internet community gave me a place where, if i tried and didnt harm others, i was given patience and understanding..... even more to my amazement is that all this help was offered freely of others own good will....

i wish i had been able to locate so many good, non judgmental people in my real life community but, its kinda funny, for a website, it still is able to generate in me a feeling that i can carry into my real life community and real life activities... so in many ways, communities are communities, no matter where we find them and they have many things in common, though not all things..

i know that many of you are members of my society, here and in real life... i know i may one day speak with you, someplace, somewhere... some part of you is with me always and as i interact with those in my real life surroundings, i know there are some who would be able to identify with you, that a little part of you exists in all of us in some way and to think that it is the empathic and compassionate part of each of you that is also a part of the people around me has helped me with relating and connecting in my real life world...

((muffy)))))

As IRL and the cyber world things can get confusing. IRL you can just explain it. In cyber world it sometimes appears different than it is.
I have gotten at pc a huge family....one I had lost....for that i am ever grateful for..

misunderstandings are opportunities for understandings, in real life, and in cyber communities... within each of us is the thing called true intent...

it is in communication, listening, asking questions, managing our fears, that we are able to find each others true intent... when we have been hurt in our past we developed systems of defense to prevent ourselves from feeling those same pains again in the future... this sometimes creates barriers and prevents us from achieving the connections that loneliness has driven us to find... it is with courage that we take risks again that we might enjoy life rather than live in the darkness of fear but risk we must if we are to break free of our debilitating and paralyzing thoughts.. we walk into our communities, cyber and real, and we cant help notice that some there havent lost the ability to enjoy living and we want to be a part of that again ourselves....depression deepens the longer it takes for us to find our way back into the place we once were, or in some cases, have never been....

risk is the way to escape the darkness for if we were to remain in the fearful place, we know we will never reach anything that even remotely feels good to us...

as we risk, we fear and as we fear, we can take steps to protect ourselves... awareness that those things which first drove us to fear still exist and are still around us is the first step we can take in preventing a replay of the past.. in real life communities we rely on a safety network to protect our peace and sadly, it cannot always be perfect... in our cyberworld we need the same protections... communication is how members of any community share with each other what dangers are present and in that way, protect each other...

still, it is not all bad.... friends can be found, hope can be shared

sorry for being too long

[garden]

Hi all. I am feeling a little under and perplexed this week. This thread helped me somewhat. We don't invite unwanted harmful behavior yet that bully behavior is supported so often in society, and especially in the work environment. The newness and openness of aging can be freeing and so funny to see yourself in a different light. I try to see this as what we all go through and that perhaps I'm not coping well with, but being ignored, dismissed or dumped on isn't what I want. I'm wondering if the "edge" is where I turn this all around.

Trust is a huge issue.

[nowheretorun]

hi garden... by 'edge' do you mean something like a place where your wits run out, where what you've been doing isnt working and you are in a place to try something unusual? like you've never tried before?

ive read the definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again, exactly the same way, but expecting a different outcome....

trust is not easy.... there are no guarantees and we are not in Utopia yet...

kindness is a coin with two sides, on one side is the community, on the other is ourselves... we are kindest to ourselves when we have faith that our community enjoys kindness the same as we do being individuals inside the community...

the numbers of the good hearted will always outnumber the mean spirited simply because our human nature wants it that way..... like we have an inner instinctual knowledge that helping is healthy, harming is not ...

logic tells us that if we choose to harm others, we equally do ourselves harm and if we harm ourself, we equally harm others....

in the middle is the coins edge... if we do not lean one way or the other we can be in a place of perfect center and we can decide for ourselves what colors to paint our own portraits.... kindness is the way many of us would like to be treated and so by becoming 'the kindness within' we can feel in control to some degree.... we self protect by remaining cautious because fi we do not learn from our mistakes we just might repeat them

ty for sharing with us

[Perna]

I like how in online communities we get time and space to think. I can word things better in writing, take my time and make sure it says as close to what I want as I can get. I can be a little more directly honest, get around more of my filters in writing because I know if things "go wrong" I can take a break from the computer and still have "more" of my life (as opposed to taking a break from real Life, not really possible or something I want to do much of :-)

The flip side of that though is that one can be "sincere" online without as much cost or effort as it takes, for me at least, in person. But what I learn online and the risks I take, I can often adapt those to real life so do become a better person from being online.

[nowheretorun]

ty Perna, im glad you decided to add your thoughts because you are so good at creating the pro/con scenario for us and then we can compare possible outcomes and make our own choices... i think its true that being sincere is easier in an environment like this where we share our inner thoughts and fears... just so much more comfortable than real life with all that eye contact and silent gaps that arouse feelings of nervousness and fears... here we can take our time to think and respond like you said

i like what you say that you adapt what you learn about and experience here into real life... i know i have done that a lot too, especially in learning to keep my calm.. (no where near perfect yet)

i know in real life situations still arise when i might not keep my cool as easily as i do on the internet, things move much more quickly and responses seem to expected on a much faster scale, but spending time in this kind environment is sort of like a training ground for me to learn how to be a better person in real life and from meeting others here on the internet i am beginning to believe that even tho there may be some not so friendly people in my real life community, the majority of people i meet everyday are not that much different from myself, struggling just a little too....

[nowheretorun]

i hope its ok if i come back and address something you said and i overlooked yesterday ((garden)))

We don't invite unwanted harmful behavior yet that bully behavior is supported so often in society, and especially in the work environment.

i believe that using our voice and to speak up about this issue we can raise awareness from within our communities and help those who are now suffering from this reality.. thank you for helping

The one thing that stuck out here to me is trust. That we all have IRL and in the cyber world. Meaning we all have issues with it . Sorry still not feeling good.
WHat i have learned this week is all of you gave me the courage to trust IRL
what i needed to do. That did not come from the real world
All of you did that. It came from the cyber world.
that we are a communtiy here ..a family.

I also agree with perna and nowheretorun about the cyber world giving you time to think before responding ...irl there is not that wait time. Once its said irl life its there
You can not delte it ...Im hoping this made sense ....lol

[nowheretorun]

((muffy)))) ty for taking time to add your thoughts, i know you are not feeling well right now and you still take time to come and care for us... sending ((hugs))))

The one thing that stuck out here to me is trust.

this got me thinking about trust.. what we trust, who we trust, how trust is eroded, how trust is built, and how important trust truly is to each of us, in our cyber or real life community.... i'll try to keep it short this time lol...

for me, i spent a long time (after the abuse) trying to recapture that feeling of trust and safety, thought maybe it was me and if i could just learn the thing i needed to learn from my abuser then the abuse would stop and like magically the abuser and i would make friends and all would be well with the world again, only it didnt happen that way..

it took some time for me to understand that my abuser had much deeper issues than i could hope to help on my own, that he/she would not soon overcome his/her own misunderstandings, and that at that point in time and under those circumstances, i was not equipped to manage the situation...

stepping back from those relationships i was able to give myself some room to reason, question and examine the dynamics involved.. that one of my abusers was also a member of my family did not make it any easier to step back physically and so i withdrew emotionally....

even while i tried to heal, i still experienced flashbacks of the original abuse that kept me spiralling back to the same original feelings, making it very difficult to build new and healthier relationships, to rebuild trust, and in a lot of ways i found myself re-creating those original circumstances without realizing that i was doing it... i think a lot of you will know where im coming from on this..

looking back now i think one mistake i made early on was in trying to re-build trust by turning to others for help, someone who would fill the gaps, fix the pain.... not to say there are not such caring people around, but finding them in the big pool of people that is a community is really a challenge, and for me, i didnt really trust the sincerity of T's at that time...

i think now i understand this issue of trust a little differently... considering that finding trust-able people is so hard, i might have done myself more good by trusting trust-able ideas first...

for example... i can trust that a stove flame is hot and it will burn me... i can trust that if i stick my tongue on a frozen light pole, my tongue will stick to it and i will be in a lot of pain.... i can trust that exercise is good for my health and when i think about it, i can trust a long list of things that have been researched and proven to improve health and a long list of things exists that will not improve my health... these ideas of health/non health are not related to putting my feelings of safety and security into the hands of other people, who i cannot really trust because we are all human, with ups, downs and sideways moods.... and thats ok, life is a process....

trusting what i believe is good and healthy is one way that i discover for myself how to live longer, laugh more, get more enjoyment out of living...

other people might be attracted to the same things as i am and over time, trust with individuals builds... its seed is in sharing common healthy beliefs and the trick here is in overcoming our fears... why should we fear something we believe is good and healthy such as eating whole grains and oats for example.. we can do ourselves the most good by choosing our own good health first, good, healthy friends will follow because dont we all want to live long and healthy lives?

healthy beliefs are stronger than our unhealthy fears...

((nowheretorun))))))) very well put....I would like to add alittle if ok
I think the person i sometimes do not trust the most is myself I hope that makes sense. As with me being ill this time ((im sorry i keep refering to that))) but its because i am still sick. lol
If I had trusted my gut feelings on it > I knew i was sick . But did not do enough.
Part of that comes from being young and being told I was not really sick when i indeed was.
So i think we have to trust in ourselfs ....
IRL and in the cyber world I trust pretty easy .. But i know the rules of staying safe online. Most of the time.
I know this with out pc ...my world this last week would have been so different.
All of you gave me the courage to do the thing i was most afraid of.
IRL i was not listening....Here I was ........ hope this made sense.

[nowheretorun]

(((muffy)))))))) you? stubborn? never lol

i think that is exactly what many of us at PC are trying to do, unlearn things we learned in our past, trying to make change for good in our lives, and the support we recieve here to that end helps to make all the hard memories and lessons easier for us to bear... it is from the collective positive energy we recieve and share here that helps to make PC the great place that it is for ourselves and others.. together we can combine our strengths to overcome past misunderstandings and find new hope and new light in our community, both cyber and real life...

so many sometimes feel the stress and strain of 'life as we know it' around us and feel a need for change and so we might sometimes look at the conditions we are a part of and try to do our best to make it better, not only for ourselves, but our friends also.. what i think some of us do at times tho is that we tend to rip and tear at those things we feel are harming us, using a destructive process in trying to obtain a constructive end..

we cannot hope to achieve a positive outcome using destructive measures tho, the only way to receive positive results is in positive effort...

i know you know all this tho haha... sending my love always kind one

Originally Posted by nowheretorun

(((muffy)))))))) you? stubborn? never lol

i think that is exactly what many of us at PC are trying to do, unlearn things we learned in our past, trying to make change for good in our lives, and the support we recieve here to that end helps to make all the hard memories and lessons easier for us to bear... it is from the collective positive energy we recieve and share here that helps to make PC the great place that it is for ourselves and others.. together we can combine our strengths to overcome past misunderstandings and find new hope and new light in our community, both cyber and real life...

so many sometimes feel the stress and strain of 'life as we know it' around us and feel a need for change and so we might sometimes look at the conditions we are a part of and try to do our best to make it better, not only for ourselves, but our friends also.. what i think some of us do at times tho is that we tend to rip and tear at those things we feel are harming us, using a destructive process in trying to obtain a constructive end..

we cannot hope to achieve a positive outcome using destructive measures tho, the only way to receive positive results is in positive effort...

i know you know all this tho haha... sending my love always kind one

(nowheretorun))))))))))))))))))) well just alittle stubborn i was or am lol
learned on that one. AS with the ctber world you get to type it out which in turn gives me time to think...IRl world sometimes that thinking has to be so fast its hard. All the support here made me see how much you all cared ..((ty)) all for that. I did have support irl too Sadly i did not listen so well to that ...
you said ((we cannot hope to achieve a positive outcome using destructive measures tho, the only way to receive positive results is in positive effort...))))))) that is true as we go threw our days and nights thinking positive and facing and working threw our problems and joy is how we move forward in life. Which is the goal.
Destrucive stuff irl is not paying attention to our health. WHich i goofed on.
But i have learned on that ...as i pray other do too.
ANd all of you have helped ((ty))))))))))))
Life is very percious IRL and in the cyber world....all of you are
love always

[nowheretorun]

Originally Posted by muffy

(nowheretorun))))))))))))))))))) well just alittle stubborn i was or am lol
learned on that one. AS with the ctber world you get to type it out which in turn gives me time to think...IRl world sometimes that thinking has to be so fast its hard. All the support here made me see how much you all cared ..((ty)) all for that. I did have support irl too Sadly i did not listen so well to that ...
you said ((we cannot hope to achieve a positive outcome using destructive measures tho, the only way to receive positive results is in positive effort...))))))) that is true as we go threw our days and nights thinking positive and facing and working threw our problems and joy is how we move forward in life. Which is the goal.
Destrucive stuff irl is not paying attention to our health. WHich i goofed on.
But i have learned on that ...as i pray other do too.
ANd all of you have helped ((ty))))))))))))
Life is very percious IRL and in the cyber world....all of you are
love always

((destructive stuff irl is not paying attention to our health.)))))))

((( Life is very percious IRL and in the cyber world....all of you are )))))))

said so sweetly and true.....