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Old Feb 14, 2010, 04:14 PM
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I just heard the "Samba Queen" for Carnival in Brazil is only 7 years old. For those who don't know, the "Samba Queen" is typically paraded out front almost naked in order to "get the party started." She dances most of the day/night to keep everyone drinking dancing and falling in love/lust. In the past, the Samba Queen was a consenting adult woman who didn't mind dancing nude, if necessary.

There was much criticism, but a judge there recently ruled it was okay for this little girl to perform. Her parents run a dance studio and claim to know what they are doing.

There is also MUCH criticism of this over here in the U.S., saying we would NEVER exploit our children in that manner.

Has anyone seen the TLC show "Toddlers and Tierras" or attended any beauty pageants for little girls? From what I've seen, these toddlers over here are dancing and performing in the exact same manner as that little "Samba Queen" in Brazil.

What's the difference?
What's the purpose? Should we consider what we do over here harmless entertainment?

Do you think the friends and families of our toddler beauty contest winners would be thrilled if their little girl was chosen as the next "Samba Queen" for Rio's celebrations?
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Old Feb 14, 2010, 04:24 PM
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I don't watch that show because all of it is just so degrading and nasty towards little girls. What are we teaching our girls to grow up to be like?
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Old Feb 14, 2010, 04:29 PM
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I watched one show just because I was curious.
Ekk!!! Those little girls look... fake... they look like Barbie dolls.

If you ask me, I think it is more about the mothers than it is about the girls.
I believe the mothers are living some kind of fantasy through their daughters. It is just sad.
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Old Feb 14, 2010, 04:31 PM
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I can't stand it!! I don't watch those shows, and I think the idea of a 7 yr old "Samba Queen" is disgusting.

There is NOTHING that makes my blood BOIL as hot as child exploitation. And yes, I think the whole TLC show about these pageant girls is also disgusting.

Your child is beautiful just the way they are. They don't need makeup and ball gowns and high heel shoes. They don't need to parade themselves in front of cameras and oogling Pedo-Bears.

Take them home...love them for who they are, play with them, let them dress up with grandma's old clothes or in Disney princess clothes. Let them run through the yard barefoot and get dirty!!

Uuugh!! That whole thing just makes me sick!!
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Old Feb 14, 2010, 05:44 PM
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When I was a little girl in the 1960s, my sister and her friends used to create musical productions and put on a show for all the parents and anyone else who wanted to watch. An elderly lady used to let us use her garage for the stage - people would bring their lawn chairs and line up down the driveway.

My sister and her friends used to like to dress me up and parade me around, so naturally they always had a place for me on stage. I HATED being dressed up and forced to perform on stage.

They put together a performance with me and an older boy - based on a children's song. I felt humiliated enough at how they dressed me. When I looked out into the crowd of "tipsy" parents after the performance, I saw them all laughing, whispering and some of them almost drooling.

This is the song I had to sing to the older boy.....

"Oh Johnny playmate,
come out and play with me
and bring your dollies 3
Climb up my apple tree
Slide down my rain barrel
into my cellar door
and we'll be jolly"

I had no idea what it meant back then (maybe my sister and her friends didn't either) but the adults and older boys in the neighborhood got a real kick out of my performance. I never got on stage and performed for my sister and her friends again.

This is what I see when I see young girls in beauty pageants or even playing "dress up" games today. It's no different really - just kicked up several notches in order to please the crowd.
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Old Feb 14, 2010, 05:51 PM
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Old Feb 14, 2010, 05:51 PM
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Everytime I see them play clip's of Jon Bonnett Ramsey before she was murdered. Maybe if she had not been so exploited, she might not be so dead.
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Old Feb 14, 2010, 05:56 PM
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I think it is sad, sad, SAD how we view sexuality and beauty in this country. Plastic surgery, a BLESSING for people who have experienced physical trauma, has become a NIGHTMARE for those of us FIGHTING to teach our daughters that true beauty lies within.

I'm sure you've all seen the stories about Heidi Montag and her 10 surgeries in 10 hours. On top of the surgeries she had already had done previously. She said she wanted size "H" boobs for "Heidi", because her triple D's just weren't large enough. WTF. Is this why I feel so insecure about my body postpartum, and for the most part always have, because my normal HUMAN boobs will never look like plastic balloons.

It is frustrating, infuriating and heartbreaking to see how many women have so little self esteem that they are willing to completely change the way they were born, as a result of our twisted understanding of what it means to be beautiful.

Another example is the contestant Gia from this season of the Bachelor. My husband said to me the other night, "you know, she definitely had work done", and I thought, hmmm... I guess. And then a few days later old photos started coming out and she had in fact had the obvious breast enhancement, but also a nose job, lip injections and something else, I can't remember.

It's essentially self mutilation!!

Sort of a tangent, but ultimately that's where those toddlers are headed. =(
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Old Feb 14, 2010, 06:41 PM
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I HATE that show so much! Children are simply not dolls that you dress up for money!! Either those kids are the most realistic dolls I've seen or the most unrealistic kid I have ever seen. I don't which one would be scarier!
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Old Feb 14, 2010, 06:45 PM
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LOL loveregardless....tangent away. You should have seen MY arms flailing when I saw footage of that little "Samba Queen." It certainly wasn't "Ooooh la la!"

It was being discussed on the Bill O'Reilly show today and, he had the audacity to say we would NEVER do that to OUR little girls here in the States. HELLOOOOOOOOOOO!

If these little girls are forced to discover their "kitty cat powers" at such an early age, what will become of them when they are teenagers and adults?

Lord help the future men in their lives. These girls will be expecting their men to wait on them hand and foot, take care of all the needs of their offspring while they are off at the spa for beauty treatments, provide luxurious homes/vehicles, AND make all their dreams come true. Good luck, guys.

What will happen when these little girls become grandmothers and/or old enough to really have to deal with the emotional/physical challenges of growing old? What wisdom will they have to pass on to their granddaughters and young girls?
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Old Feb 14, 2010, 07:03 PM
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I think beauty pagents for little girls are truly sick. They're nothing less than child exploitation. It's mother's living out their sick fantasies through their kids. I remember in the summer when I was a kid, my Mom and I would spend two months at the cottage (My dad came up on weekends) I'd get up in the morning put on my swimsuit, and a pair of shorts and T shirt on over it, then it would be off for a day of adventure around the lake with the other kids. We'd bike, build forts, swim at will, play dodgeball. If it rained we played board games. We canoed. We got dirty. At night my Mom's idea of giving me a bath was tossing me back in the lake. It was healthy. I cherish the memories of my childhood summers, and wish every kid could have them.

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Old Feb 14, 2010, 07:40 PM
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My father used to bath me, but when I turned 5 I had to learn how to do it by myself - I had no clue, lol. He'd check on me by shouting from his chair to make sure my head was still above water - and tell me to hurry, in case I was just in there playing around with the water (which usually was the case).

I had fun with MY friends here in town too. We had a community pool and vacant lots to play in. We all had bikes that could take us anywhere - if not we walked as far as we could go. We dug holes in the vacant lots to hide from the bullies, and we built forts from scaps we found in order to plan our own attacks on them.

We played like that in the winter too - built forts and had snowball fights. We knew where NOT to go and who not to push around - because their snowballs had rocks or hardened ice inside them.


I only remember getting hit in the face once with a hardened snowball. It came from an older boy at school, but he took me by surprise as I was walking home from school. He was walking behind me and called out my name in a friendly manner.

I made sure he never did THAT again!
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Old Feb 14, 2010, 10:12 PM
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i think child beauty pagents have gone out of control! those kids don't look like kids. they look like adult women! when my daughter was real small they had fun pagents. one dress no make up and no fancy hair. just cute kids. now it is way over the top disgusting!
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oh my gosh, a 7-year-old samba queen! that's outrageous and borderline illegal!

i do watch child pageant shows because it is just SO interesting to see how other people raise their kids. it is SO SCARY to see 6 year olds dressed like they are my age. and how sad... put a kid in a dance class, don't make them be kiddie porn models.
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Old Feb 15, 2010, 04:01 PM
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jennaorgana, is it the fake teeth or giant hair pieces that frighten you most, lol. =)

I've watched clips online a few times myself, I have a habit of watching things that disgust me. I'm healthy like that.

I think playing dress up at home is ok. A lot of little girls (and some boys) dream of being a princess, and make believe is a healthy part of child play and exploring one's gender identity, imo.

The part that makes this whole thing so scary is that these kids are not playing for fun, this isn't make believe. These girls and their very disturbed parents are sociopath serious. It's just so creepy.
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Saw an adverisment on tv for a "Little Miss Perfect" pagent. PERFECT??? So, when this child turns 13 and gets a pimple she's going to freak out!
Think putting this kind of show on the air is sick.
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Old Feb 15, 2010, 07:14 PM
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ahahahahahaha. Too funny Futz.
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I am so glad to read all the wonderful posts here about all your feelings on this subject matter. It is one that I have had a passion against for years.

The sad part is is that the mothers of these girls aren't showing their daughters where their true value & self worth comes from within,....not from how they look. But how many of the mothers have any value or self-worth of their own? If they had they would know that this isn't where they would want their daughters to go or the life style they would want to start their daughters walking in.

How many times to you hear the mother saying how much their daughter wants to do the pageant stuff & how important it is to their child......yea, after they have been brainwashed into thinking that's all there is to life......what else would they think.

Everyone needs attention......that's a given......but that kind of attention is inappropriate & harmful to the child's self worth.

I think it's funny, but I used to show my eskie dogs in the confirmation dog shows.......when I saw the girls in the beauty pagents like that, the first thing that came to my mind was little girl dog shows without a leash. If this facial feature or bone structure isn't quite right, it isn't a good showing of the breed or is disqualified if the eyes aren't the perfect colour. First off, little girls aren't dogs & should never be made to feel like the only thing that give them any value is how they look, & how they can perform.

True, some competition in life is good, never let it be said that I didn't give the guys a good run for their lunch break on the racquettball court & beat them whenever I got the good shots......but to parade around the stage showing off ones body is just plain disgusting.

It's interesting that as the generations go on that this only gets worse than better. As the entertainment industry gets a tighter grasp on people....not only the ones that want to be involved in it but the ones that support it by watching. When did this begin.......when will it finally end? What is their way of justifying these pagaents? Of course, they claim that it's the scholarship money that they are going after so their kids can afford college.......yea, like can you see these kids wanting to go to college.....by the age of 18 they will be wanting to use the money for all the plastic surgeries they will be needing because they are getting older & wrinkles.

It is so hard not to get sarcastic when it comes to this subject....it is just so sad to see children being provided these values rather than the wonderful values that everyone here has talked about having from their childhood.here. Wishing that these children could have a normal enjoyable childhood of getting into things & really being a kid rather than striving to look like the glamor photo their mother always wanted to look like.

I know that I would never trade growing up in a neighborhood of all guys, building forts, climbing trees & walking fences, looking for lizards in the desert & fishing in the lakes & streams, playing baseball & football in the street. Learning that my value wasn't in how I looked.......but that my education was something that could never be taken away from me & what was in my mind was more important that how my face looked. I wasn't into the little girl things, playing house or doll, but when I was stuck inside on bad weather days, I brought out my farm set & my cabin set & my toy cars & animals & created my own rural town in the middle of the front room.

So many of us fought the values that we thought our parents were cramming down our throats....when will these children do the same?

wow, these keep getting bigger all the time..lol. This is just one thing I have always had a passion against so when it came up here, it opened the flood gates of thoughts.

I just hope that some year people will come to their senses before like nucking Futz says..they all end up here..lol. There may not be enough qualified T's in the world to help all the issues that we end up having from things like this

OK.....enough now.....I go back into my quiet corner after writing my novel here on my feelings about this.
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EskieLover - your comparison to dog shows is PRICELESS!

It's easy to say "just enroll them in dance class," but the 7-year-old "Samba Queen" in question CAME from a dance studio, owned and operated by her PARENTS. I don't believe dance studios here in the States, regardless of style, are completely innocent either when it comes to showing off little girls as "sex symbols."

I believe this particular clip is screaming to be heard here on this thread....

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Everytime I see them play clip's of Jon Bonnett Ramsey before she was murdered. Maybe if she had not been so exploited, she might not be so dead.

That might be so true, Nucking
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TY Kathy.....glad you liked the comparison...lol.

Love your clip Kathy.....that is priceless.......what every mother needs to remember at the birth of her daughter....make sure the plastic surgeon is there to do the boob job....lol. Looks like a really funny movie. Will definitely have to get the DVD of that one.

I think it was on Dr Phil years ago (when I had a TV) that he had a program on about the parents & there daughters in the beauty contests & how cut throat the parents are to start with.....that teaches their daughters to be that way on top of the poor values created from thinking that everything is about beauty & performance.

This has always been one of the topics that I have felt very passionately about

But you know I have to admit (in a whisper).....I love dancing the samba, the rumba, the tango......all of the ballroom dancing.....but would never be caught dead looking like they want that 7 year old to look as the Samba queen
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"She's too young for a boob job... they do that at birth now."
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Thanks Eskielover. I loved to dance and watch dancing too. A friend of mine with Hispanic/Latino heritage once said "We don't HAVE to teach sex education....we have SALSA!" (dance)

She didn't mean it in a sexual way, though in any long-term committed relationship sex obviously plays a part. There's more to it though. It's the symbolism of working together in unison - falling on and supporting each other, focusing only on each other through all the twists, turns, spins and dips of life....until the song (life) is over.

Placing little girls on stage to dance seductively for grown adults only showcases their sex appeal - regardless of dance style. The only exception is dance that also includes a story, has a moral, a lesson, etc.
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Hi everyone, I've read this with interest and agree with everyone on the parading of an almost nude child to get the party started. I only laugh, at my self, because I had a next door neighbor from Rio. She always wore her bra and panties outside. to do chores, get groceries and thought it perfectly natural to do this. Talk about getting a party started!
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