[vacantangel]

I'm not saying that it's everyone but I think it's pretty close to that. Is IG saying everyone? I think it is extremely tough to find someone that looks beyond the outside package to get to know what's on the inside.

[LMo]

I'm not saying that people don't look at the outside package... but charisma and chemistry have such a strong influence on the outside package that the reaction to a photograph is going to be MUCH different than if you smile and shake hands with someone.

Look at Julia Roberts and Lyle Lovett. He's pretty strange looking, but he definitely has the charisma going for him. And you can't say she was attracted to him because he's rich!

[vacantangel]

Well, I guess if I understand your point, then my shyness has been a factor. People can 'see' it. I suppose that is right.

Lyle Lovett, regardless of what's on the inside, geez, you have to draw the line somewhere. I'm sorry but I just couldn't wake up in the morning and look at his face or for that matter have sex with him. I don't have to be with an extremely good looking guy but I do have my limits. I'm sorry, that probably sounds cruel, but that's JMHO. Obviously, Julia Roberts thought differently, or at least for a little while since she didn't stay with him.

[LMo]

I think he's attractive, myself! I like quirky people, though

[vacantangel]

I don't think he's so bad either. I think we are all our own worst critics. Looks like he really left. That's too bad. He needs to be a little more open when people are helping him.

[Isolated_Guy]

AngelGirl, one of the many things I like about you is your unedited expression of thoughts. Thank you for agreeing with me. Maybe now, it will be taken more seriously, I hope.

LMo, you are one reason I can't leave here. You've demonstrated your concern in a unique way. You even went as far as to post that specific South Park reference I made. It's thngs like that which get to my heart.

Nothemama, I'm sorry I didn't answer your specific question about my interests, etc. But I also spend most of my online time posting in a couple of other forums debating current events and politics. Please understand, I can't keep up with each and every post here.

Anyway, I hope it's ok if I stay,

I don't expect everyone to like me and the same would be true of anyone. But I have to keep learning the hard way that there are those who care.

[kimmydawn]

i've stayed away from this thread for the most part because the topic can be very triggering for me, but i want to say this.

IG, i think you're a fine looking man. you wouldn't stand out in any crowd and to me that's a good thing. were you put down alot growing up? made fun of, etc? these things are hard to get past...some ppl never do.

sometimes i get really scared if someone goes on about my looks in a good way...i think they're making fun of me or just being "kind". i think the same might be for you? i grew up hearing how ugly, fat, weird, sickening and how much of a freak i was. it's hard to get past hearing those things day in and day out. it's much more "safe" to believe the bad stuff...believing the good stuff would 1) be an open for more fun-making 2) make me too vulnerable to be shot down and that hurts too bad...so i stay in my ugly comfort zone...no expectations or heartbreak there.

i've learned to say "thank you" when someone comments about my looks in a good way, but it's dismissed quickly inside.

i do know this...when i quit bringing attn to myself by commenting on my looks negatively, etc. and generally putting myself down all of the time, i had more friends. often ppl will believe about us what we tell them, especially if we tell them that long enuf. ppl don't like "downers" as friends and mates. they want to be around ppl who feel good and make them feel good. moods and feelings "rub off" when in close relationships or friendships. i've found that out by alot of error.

i wish for you so much, but mostly i wish that you could acknowledge that there are alot of ppl out there who will like you when you're ready to like yourself and show it. well, from my experience it was that way. i even ended up losing weight, then genuinely feeling better about myself. it's like when faking a smile for a baby, after so long a person starts to "feel" that smile and aren't faking anymore...it can work. i'm proof.

gl and good wishes,

[LMo]

[LMo]

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Damn straight you do.

[kimmydawn]

thank you, LMo. feel yucky now i hate to think back...but i felt it was important.

[silver_queen]

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[kimmydawn]

thank you (((((((((((((( silver ))))))))))))))))))

[SeptemberMorn]

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Kimmy}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Your big, beautiful heart shows through in your eyes and your smile.

[kimmydawn]

thank you (((((((((((((((( september )))))))))))))))))))))

[vacantangel]

I'm glad that you are back. If you like me, then please don't leave again. I don't take rejection very well. I fall apart. Also, just because I agreed with you, doesn't mean that all of a sudden anybody else's viewpoints are going to change. I doubt my opinion will have much effect at all.

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[Isolated_Guy]

I thought I'd make my reply here instead of the "other" thread because someone there has now made multipule posts expressing blatant disapproval for me. So be it.

LMo, you said you "Miss Philly." Please tell me more.

Mj14, to answer your question, I went to high school at Cherry Hill East. My 25th reunion is this year. I still visit Jersey at least once a year and I'm tempted to go but I've heard the past reunions were only made up of the so called "successful" people and that's the last kind of social setting I should be in. Even so, I still wonder if I should think about going for some reason.

[LMo]

I'm originally from Pennsylvania. I grew up in Paoli and lived in Philly for 12 years. I'm a recent transplant to the west coast, though. We live in Oregon now.

What I miss about Philly:
- the neighborhoods!
- the architecture and history; I lived in a few REALLY old houses, by US standards!
- the pizza
- the bagels
- the food in general!
- the chinese food
- canada dry diet ginger ale
- yuengling lager
- Mummers
- some of my old friends
- the beautiful towns surrounding -- Lambertville, the Chesapeake, Baltimore
- proximity to NYC
- proximity to Europe
- being near a big enough airport that you can take direct flights
- having clients near home so I didn't have to travel so often
- etc etc

[nothemama8]

Thank you for the response IG, hate to be ignored, I still want to get to know more about you
Angie

[Isolated_Guy]

LMO, I couldn't agree more about the PIZZA. I've never found anything here that even comes close to what the have up north. I also miss the Phillies. I hope to go to their new ball park when I visit next time. There's something else I miss about the area but I can't describe it. Even so, I would never want to live there again. I'm allergic to the cold weather.

Nothemama, I'm 43 and have lived in Florida for a little over 20 years. Needless to say I'm not a "people person" but in my 20s and much of my 30s, I had some what of a social life. When I was going to school (only completeted 3 years worth of credit), I worked in the bar/food service business and even some time after that, so I had plenty of opportunity to meet women, as they were around me a work and after getting off work. I've recently been working in electronic inspection, though I've been taking much time off taking care of my mother who died of Alzheimers a year and a half ago. I still miss her so much. She was like a friend I could talk to about anything. My main interests are following current and conspiracy oriented events amd that's how I spend most of my online time. My favorite sport is hockey and I still can't accept that there will be no NHL season this year. When our Tampa Bay Lightning won the Stanley Cup last year, it was one of the happiest moments of my life! I guess as far as musical taste goes, I have a "thing" for the 70s and I don't know why. I hated the 70s at the time.
Anyway, that's me in a nutshell.

[Wants2Fly]

((((((((((((((((((((((((((Isolated Guy))))))))))))))))))))

I hope you will give serious consideration to finding a good T who will help you work through your feelings, examine your assumptions, and help you not feel so isolated.

I, too, in my 40s, started to mourn the days of easy friendship of my 20s and 30s. Waxing nostalgic to a friend with 4 kids, she burst out laughing and said -- Who has time to sit around in the evenings, drinking wine and hanging out?

I'm in my 50s, and I think this discovery of the single person that one's social life has dissipated is a common experience, probably usually in our 40s. Especially if we are not living in a city. Most of Florida is the 'burbs, and the burbs are best for family life.

It was interesting to find out more about, IG. I'm glad you decided to answer.

[mj14]

Ah, another hockey fan!

I am a long-suffering Flyers fan, but I must say, I wasn't totally disappointed last year at the Lightning's victory. One of my very favorite Flyers was Rusty Fedotenko - not because he's the best player on the ice, but because he always looked like he was having fun playing the game - and I was glad to see him hoist the Cup.

I'm disappointed at the loss of the season, but we still have minor league hockey here in Philly, and they are even showing some Philadelphia Phantoms games on tv when they would normally be showing Flyers games.

Oh well, I could go on forever about hockey, but I'll stop for now.

Jo

[Poppet]

(((((((((((((Kimmydawn)))))))))))))

Please accept a hug from me, I was browsing and read your post. I, too, have issues around my appearance dating back years. It was brave of you to put what you did - I can relate to a lot of it.

I imagine it's a big deal for you to have your pic on your posts, when I first saw it I thought 'ahh, she's really nice'. Maybe one day I will dare to show a pic of me !!!!

Hope you don't mind what I said - from me to you ........................Poppet

[kimmydawn]

((((((((((((((((((((( poppet ))))))))))))))))))))))) thank you so much.

i'm sorry for what you've dealt with as well. it was an issue to post the pic...but many wanted a pic of the baby and i wanted ppl to know who they were talking to it was/is hard. but i think it says alot about how far i've come with it and also how much i trust my friends here at PC it's a good thing.

thank you again,

[Isolated_Guy]

Mj14, I'll never forget the 74 and 75 championship years for the Flyers. I guess I'll alway be a fan. I kind of miss the atmosphere of Flyers games. The fans here are more laid back. I think you know what I'm talking about.

[kimmydawn]

i just wanted to get this post back to its orginal title