Post on couch....

Trigger for bad thought possibility .......regarding si



Hey y'all
Sorry to interupt....

From couch...

Trigger SI










I am having suicidal thoughts and havent attempted since 20. Wife and I are fighting med change drinking fake weed... Spiral.

Anyone just talk to me

many responses thank you all ...later


Posted on couch

Ok question...I have two competing trains of thought,that lead to action...one is good and one is bad... Been this way since I can remember. Honor roll class president sports player with job, ****** home life 7 syblings 6 younger who needed to be looked after... On the weekends 2 town over drunken *****.... It's not DID , I don't think, I don't loss time ,I cant explain why...one has control and the other try's to reason ... Am I crazy?



So in true fashion - as I am alone and self medicating, frustrated on unavailability of lethal doses of anything noted on the Internet , you would ink that is important ) I digress, wife at friends house, our only friends, in town. Hey T I'm fixin to email you buddy...

Lola emails....
This idea of 2 me's competing for one me... Am I crazy , what is that.. Not DID so what is it?

Seriously I need to know
Lola

T responds -

It's called ambivalence.* Everyone has a part of them that wants to do one thing and another part that wants to do another.* It's the difference between the id, ego, and superego.* The girl two towns over is your id.* Partner, in the past and maybe at times now is acting as your superego.* But your superego is the part of yourself that is your morals, values, and hopefully the future you.* The ego balances these two.* Your OCD is your neurosis between balancing these.

I am too ****ed up for that , Please explain....

[skysblue]

Lola, I cannot explain what your T means. That kind of stuff goes way over my head.

But I can say that the low thoughts you're having now will pass. Just hold on. Imagine you're surfing a big wave and you just need to keep your balance for awhile. The wave does not go on forever. Hang tight. Don't do anything except hang tight.

when you get an explanation please let us know too-sorry we cant help but very confusing♥♥♥

[Silent_tsol]

Lola, I fourth that I don't understand
Tell t to lay off the psycho babble and speak human

[eskielover]

Don't know if this will help....but will try......

The ID is your emotional mind......it's our inpulses, it drives our actions & usually our emotions if we recognize them gives us the reason to solve the problems that are causing negative emotions.

The SUPEREGO is your reasonable mine....the logical, rational thinking that gives the way to solve the problems that the negative emotions are causing.

There is constant tension between the ID & the SUPEREGO.....each tries to influence each other in different directions.....this dialog goes on inside of our head when there are things that come up in our life

The EGO is the wise mind.....it's a state of being that accepts the tension between the ID & the SUPEREGO.....it's where we can see the BIG PICTURE (both sides of the picture.....emotional & reasonable). It is the fluid process that puts both parts of our mind together to make the logical decision incorporating the emotional & the reasonable mind.....it's a state of peacefulness when you come to the wise decision that makes the EGO feel comfortable.

This description melds both the concept that your T is talking about with the DBT concept of wise mind.......it was the best way I could understand it.

When your ID part of your mind (the lymbic system) has control, there is no blood available for the SUPEREGO part of your mind (the frontal lobe). In order for the SUPEREGO to have some say in our decision process, we need to quiet doen the ID part of our brain so the SUPEREGO part can have a chance to think......only then can we combine both in order to come up with the wise decision making process of the EGO.

Don't know if this helps:

BRAIN:

frontal lobe
SUPEREGO
reasonable mind


Lymbic system
ID
emotional mind

STATE OF BEING:
EGO
blending of ID & SUPEREGO thinking to
make wise mind decisions

Originally Posted by eskielover

Don't know if this will help....but will try......

The ID is your emotional mind......it's our inpulses, it drives our actions & usually our emotions if we recognize them gives us the reason to solve the problems that are causing negative emotions.

The SUPEREGO is your reasonable mine....the logical, rational thinking that gives the way to solve the problems that the negative emotions are causing.

There is constant tension between the ID & the SUPEREGO.....each tries to influence each other in different directions.....this dialog goes on inside of our head when there are things that come up in our life

The EGO is the wise mind.....it's a state of being that accepts the tension between the ID & the SUPEREGO.....it's where we can see the BIG PICTURE (both sides of the picture.....emotional & reasonable). It is the fluid process that puts both parts of our mind together to make the logical decision incorporating the emotional & the reasonable mind.....it's a state of peacefulness when you come to the wise decision that makes the EGO feel comfortable.

This description melds both the concept that your T is talking about with the DBT concept of wise mind.......it was the best way I could understand it.

When your ID part of your mind (the lymbic system) has control, there is no blood available for the SUPEREGO part of your mind (the frontal lobe). In order for the SUPEREGO to have some say in our decision process, we need to quiet doen the ID part of our brain so the SUPEREGO part can have a chance to think......only then can we combine both in order to come up with the wise decision making process of the EGO.

Don't know if this helps:

BRAIN:

frontal lobe
SUPEREGO
reasonable mind


Lymbic system
ID
emotional mind

STATE OF BEING:
EGO
blending of ID & SUPEREGO thinking to
make wise mind decisions

How can she be my superego, do i not have one... Also my id..is that the bad?

[eskielover]

EVERYONE has both the ID (Lymbic system of the brain which controls the emotions & our pleasures) & the SUPEREGO (the frontal lobe part of the brain which controls the reasonable thoughts, morals & values). You do have a frontal lobe in your brain.....therefore you do have a SUPEREGO.....

The ID is NOT BAD.....the problem is that when the ID (the emotional mind....the Lymbic system, the pleasure center of the brain) is in control, it doesn't give the SUPEREGO a chance to act.....all the blood in the brain is going to the ID so the SUPEREGO doesn't have the blood to do the work it needs to do......so we need skills to SHUT UP the ID to give the SUPEREGO part of our brain a chance to function.

He's saying your partner is working in place of your own SUPEREGO part of your brain.....your partner is acting as your moral values & your reasonable mind rather than giving your own mind that chance to think & act.....it's there but your ID is overwhelming it & not giving your own SUPEREGO a chance to function.

The ID isn't bad.....having emotions is a good thing....is like being able to feel pain because it tells us when there is a problem that needs to be solved....unfortunately, if we give the ID control, it's the pleasure center of our brain & it can take over....that is the part of the brain where addictions come from.......so it can cause problems is we allow it to be the only part of our brain that is working.

It's called ambivalence.* Everyone has a part of them that wants to do one thing (YOUR ID, your emotional mind) and another part that wants to do another [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"](YOUR SUPEREGO, your reasonable mind)[/COLOR].* It's the difference between the id, ego, and superego.* The girl two towns over is your id(YOUR ID, your emotional mind).* Partner, in the past and maybe at times now is acting as your superego(your reasonable mind which are your morals, & values & always a conflice between your ID emotional, pleasure center of your mind & your SUPEREGO which is your morals & values).* But your superego is the part of yourself that is your morals, values, and hopefully the future you.* The ego balances these twoThis is the EGO state where both your reasonable mind (SUPEREGO) & your emotional, pleasure mind (ID) combine to make sure that what you do is the best thing for you & is wise .* Your OCD is your neurosis between balancing these.

Great title. I too am still stuck on superego I'd ego. T told me the superegO isn't me it's what I learnt, internalised. It's my judge & hangman. I'm in the process of telling it to leave me alone that I'm not that person. But like you, it's a bit too much to comprehend and I don't even smoke fake weed. I stuck my thumb though that could be the problem :-)

Originally Posted by earthmamma

Great title. I too am still stuck on superego I'd ego. T told me the superegO isn't me it's what I learnt, internalised. It's my judge & hangman. I'm in the process of telling it to leave me alone that I'm not that person. But like you, it's a bit too much to comprehend and I don't even smoke fake weed. I stuck my thumb though that could be the problem :-)

It's what soothes us, gets us through the day... Carry a blanket , hug a bear , kiss your dog, touch the door knob 10 times before entering, drink a 12 pack, take a Xanax. We were given a hand and that's the one you play... Music back to music, Kenny Rogers said it best, know when to hold em, when to fold em. I'll wonder how great I could have been with just a little support ... Fathers day n mothers day , **** that I was emancipated... No parents! Lol

I'm no expert on the id, ego, superego concept, but here is my understanding very simplified:

Id = our basic primal needs (so according to you T, that girl who longs for those needs to fulfilled is you id).

Superego = our moral center, doing want we believe society wants and accepts, the "shoulds" (this would be that honor roll student side of you)

Ego = the balance between those where we can see clearly what we need and how to get it in acceptable, rational ways (more or less)

Originally Posted by LolaCabanna

It's what soothes us, gets us through the day... Carry a blanket , hug a bear , kiss your dog, touch the door knob 10 times before entering, drink a 12 pack, take a Xanax. We were given a hand and that's the one you play... Music back to music, Kenny Rogers said it best, know when to hold em, when to fold em. I'll wonder how great I could have been with just a little support ... Fathers day n mothers day , **** that I was emancipated... No parents! Lol

LoL. True

[CantExplain]

In "popular" terms, the ID is your inner-child: needy, playful, but with poor impulse control and tends not to think ahead.
The SUPEREGO is your inner parent: warning, controlling, but trying to look after your long-term interests.

SPECULATION:

From what I've seen of you, you have a powerful id but a fairly weak superego. You tend to rely on others to look out for you long-term and to moderate your impulses.

Without your wife, you have no one to put things in perspective, to comfort and reassure you, to stop you form doing stupid things.

The id and the superego often pull in opposite directions: that's their job. But you also have an inner adult, the EGO, which is supposed to decide between them on a case-by-case basis.

Originally Posted by CantExplain

In "popular" terms, the ID is your inner-child: needy, playful, but with poor impulse control and tends not to think ahead.
The SUPEREGO is your inner parent: warning, controlling, but trying to look after your long-term interests.

SPECULATION:

From what I've seen of you, you have a powerful id but a fairly weak superego. You tend to rely on others to look out for you long-term and to moderate your impulses.

Without your wife, you have no one to put things in perspective, to comfort and reassure you, to stop you form doing stupid things.

The id and the superego often pull in opposite directions: that's their job. But you also have an inner adult, the EGO, which is supposed to decide between them on a case-by-case basis.

But I don't , ID or Superego.... No ego... It's the robot of consequence of previous ID Superego battles.

My superego is way to big. Like having hitler round for coffee and he stays all f@@king day long.

[eskielover]

That's the good thing with DBT.....it teaches you how to recognize the emotions of your ID......it also teaches you to recognize & hear what your SUPEREGO had to say & then it teaches you to use both your ID & your SUPEREGO to logically define the wise solution between your ID & your SUPEREGO.....but you can't do that without recognizing both side of your thought process.....neither one should be dismissed......but they need to be thought through & understood so that you can come up with a wise solution for the situation you find yourself in, resolving the conflict between your ID & your SUPEREGO.

Both your ID & your SUPEREGO are necessary, they are a physical part of our brain....not something you can just get rid of....what you learn to do is to reprogram the neuropathways which control your actions. That is done through the EGO's analysis of the ID & the SUPEREGO & taking control of the action, changing the learned response from earlier in life.

The ID thoughts come from your brains Lymbic system (your emotions)
The SUPEREGO thoughts come from your brains frontal lobe (your moral values)

We can't live without either. We need our emotions (ID) to tell us when something is bad (fear, anger, sadness, shame) & good (love, joy, competence)

We need our reasonable mind, moral values (SUPEREGO) to tell us what is right & wrong......society can not live without moral values.....they have to come from the individuals knowing what is right & wrong not just from knowing what the laws are.....without the SUPEREGO, you would think it was ok to hit someone or even kill anyone.

it takes the EGO to put together the emotional mind ID that might be telling you that you are feeling fear because this person is threatening to kill you.....while your SUPEREGO your reasonable mind is telling you that morals are not to kill. That conflict between the ID & the SUPEREGO is a good thing we need that in place so we don't take actions on either the ID or the SUPEREGO, but wait for our EGO to resolve this conflict. It works with both thoughts to determine what is the wise thing to do. In this case it might be to decided that it's ok to kill this person who is threatening to kill you because killing in this situation would be in self defense & it's better them than you. This is how the mind works when it's working properly.

Unfortunately when we have mental illnesses, the mind doesn't always work properly & we need to learn actions (coping skills) to get react to certain things (those actions are driven by programmed neuropathways in our brain). Our actions from the past may not be appropriate for the world we are now living in & we need to reprogram those pathways & that is done through the EGO's analysis along with the fact we need to recognize the ID (emotional thinking) along with the SUPEREGO (reasonable thinking) & determine if that is correct in the first place......then through awareness & analysis, come up with the appropriate actions which will start to reprogram those neuropathways & start giving us the wise solution to the situations we find ourself in NOW. That's what therapy is ALL ABOUT.

[CantExplain]

Originally Posted by LolaCabanna

But I don't , ID or Superego.... No ego... It's the robot of consequence of previous ID Superego battles.

I'm sorry to hear it.
More power to your ego!