[newtus]

let it out
let it out

ill start

i had to get a needle in my behind for throwing chairs in inpatient.
so as they putting it in and i start to relax the nurse says "yes. thats it. good girl. your being such a good girl".

lol

one at a time

[WePow]

Throwing things indicates inner anger/pain/rage - or another emotion - that NEEDS to be heard. I am sorry they are masking it with drugs right now. Maybe it would help you to describe in words what was behind that energy that made you need to throw the chairs?

[newtus]

Originally Posted by WePow

Throwing things indicates inner anger/pain/rage - or another emotion - that NEEDS to be heard. I am sorry they are masking it with drugs right now. Maybe it would help you to describe in words what was behind that energy that made you need to throw the chairs?

my hate for the staff.
i hate mental health professionals with a passion

[CantExplain]

Originally Posted by WePow

Throwing things indicates inner anger/pain/rage - or another emotion - that NEEDS to be heard. I am sorry they are masking it with drugs right now. Maybe it would help you to describe in words what was behind that energy that made you need to throw the chairs?

Sometimes you have to restrain the patient before you can help them.

I wish someone would restrain me. It would indicate that they were taking some responsibility for what happens.

[WePow]

There must be a reason behind the hate you are feeling. I totally understand rage.
I also understand how hard it is to get to the core of that rage. What is the trigger? Why is the trigger causing you pain?

[stopdog]

Originally Posted by CantExplain

Sometimes you have to restrain the patient before you can help them.

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This is one of the most frightening beliefs to me, unless the client has consented to such specifically. This is exactly the sort of thing I spend time fighting against for people.

Originally Posted by newtus

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i hate mental health professionals with a passion

Sometimes you have to realize they can't all be bad and try to let someone in.

[newtus]

Originally Posted by stopdog

This is one of the most frightening beliefs to me, unless the client has consented to such specifically. This is exactly the sort of thing I spend time fighting against for people.

right on for fighting it and activism.

anyway ive been restrained a handful of times physically. and chemically.

[newtus]

Originally Posted by WePow

There must be a reason behind the hate you are feeling. I totally understand rage.
I also understand how hard it is to get to the core of that rage. What is the trigger? Why is the trigger causing you pain?

ive been abused in the system. and by police. its hard having schizophrenia. its even harder having it and being african american. theres a lot of stereotyping.

[Chopin99]

Originally Posted by newtus

i had to get a needle in my behind for throwing chairs in inpatient.
so as they putting it in and i start to relax the nurse says "yes. thats it. good girl. your being such a good girl".

I am a mental health professional. I work with individuals with developmental disabilities and mental illness.

I also have my own mental issues. I cannot imagine degrading my clients in the manner that nurse spoke to you. Just because you have schizophrenia doesn't mean you don't deserve to be heard.

One of my clients has schizophrenia. I have found that when my employees and I treat him with respect as an equal, he doesn't need to throw chairs. We as a company refuse to utilize such "as needed" chemical restraints. We do use limited physical restraints, but only to protect the client. I've seen staff sacrifice their own safety to keep my clients safe.

I have been restrained by a friend who is a fellow MH professional during a tantrum of mine in the past, so I know how it feels.

This angers me. I promise, I am one of the good ones.

[newtus]

@chopin99

i appreciate your response.
ahh yea it was uncomfortable and only made me more angry.

its good to see a good mental health pro.
those are hard to come across

[Syra]

You're judgmental. You're arrogant. You think I'm incompetent*. I need a break. I'll contact you when I'm ready to return (not stated, implied and confirmed)

(yes, those are the therapist's words, not the client's. and not at the beginning of the relationship - after several years)
*it wasn't true I thought she was incompetent. If I had, I wouldn't have been so devastated - I would have been the one walking out the door, although I think more gracefully.

[adel34]

Nudus, I'm sorry you've had such bad experiences with mental health professionals.
I know how hard it is to find just the right one for you. I believe it can happen. I finally found someone a year and a half ago, and we've done great work. After my move, now I'm still looking for one locally and it's very frustrating as I feel I need very specific things that many ts don't do.
Sorry to talk so much about me. About the restraining thing. Now I don't have schizophrenia, and have never been hospitalized. So maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. For me, when I've scratched myself (si) in front of my t, and she's held my hands to stop me it's gotten me outwardly showing more anger/agitation as the energy I wastrying to divert by hurting myself had to be expressed somehow, but on the other hand it was very comforting, as CE said it showed that she cared enough to look out for my safety when I was struggling with this.
I've never gotten angry enough (or maybe not let myself) to throw chairs. I'd imagine if I were in that state, I'd be extremely afraid after such an incident. I'd feel separate from myself, like I was another person which I do when I'm really angry. I think in a way, it might be comforting to be restrained, not tied up or given a shot (especially in the butt!) but to have my arms held or something, or to sit very close to a staff member and just have the freedom to cry or yell or hit a pillow and know that another person could witness this and was strong enough to contain it for me.
I have no idea how inpatient staff work or if this would be even possible. If it were just tying me up that would be really scary, and would make things worse. If I was really angry and couldn't calm down, I actually don't think I'd mind the shot if it would just make me sleepy and that's it.
Just my thoughts, like I said I could totally not know what I'm talking about.
Chopin, I wish there were mor MH professionals out there like yourself! Just totally curious, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to but why did your friend have to restrain you? Were you hurting yourself or something?
Anyway, Nudus, I hope you get out of the hospital soon and can somehow find a MH provider that works for you and that you can trust.

[Chopin99]

Originally Posted by adel34

Chopin, I wish there were mor MH professionals out there like yourself! Just totally curious, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to but why did your friend have to restrain you? Were you hurting yourself or something?

I've talked some about my past on here, but I don't think you were a member yet Adel. I don't generally talk about my past much of my own accord anymore, but if asked, I will.

I used to be a pretty messed-up chick. Me unmedicated is not a good thing. For one, I don't sleep. Two, at the time I was in a majorly screwed-up situation of my own making; I started a same-sex affair with my boss' boss two weeks after I married my husband. After a year, my H found out and he joined in the fun. All three of us lived together for a while.

My preferred form of SI was banging my head...against a wall, floor, door, door frame (any hard surface really) or with my hands. I starting having "behavioral episodes" at age 15. I think I was desperately trying to get my parents' attention. They threatened to have me hospitalized once, when I slapped my mother. They really didn't know what to do with me.

Back to the affair. At the time, I was dangerous to myself, others, and property. One night I was banging my head on the floor. My girlfriend decided to put me in what was called a "standard therapeutic wrap" used in our state. I fought it really hard, but eventually wore out.

I've managed to come a long way from that past, but I'm still haunted by my past demons...so I'm in therapy and here. I'm also still better medicated rather than not.

[Chopin99]

Which reminds me of my favorite piece of stupid s**t my therapist said once:

"My God, you were self-destructive!!"

No s**t Sherlock, that's why I'm here.

[adel34]

Hi Chopin,
Thank you for being so honest about your past. You're right, I'm relatively new here, and did not know any of this. Sounds like your teen years and before you found the right meds and other support were really hard for you. You seem to have come a long way since then.
Personally, I'm glad your friend was there for you that night, since clearly you were very unsafe to yourself.
About the head banging, sort of related... at the facility I live in the primary diagnosis for being there is blindness. But many people have other stuff going on too, usually mild devlopmental disabilitys or mental illness or both. Unfortunately these other issues than blindness often aren't handled so well by the staff. There's this older woman who one of my friends, and also the president of the residents, found out bangs her head against the wall. I asked if the staff knew anything about restraining residents if necessary. He says no, they just let her bang her head against the wall, and she has this bruise, and maybe a CNA will brush her hair in a way to hide it or something, but that's really it. One day I guess a CNA came in and found her doing it and she burst into tears and said not to tell anyone or she'd get transfered somewhere else. Poor lady!
Sorry if that was off topic. Things were running smoother before I came when they had a psychologist here for ten years. Then they fired her shortly before I arrived. We so need her back!

"and how does THAT make you FEEL?"

Feelings? What are they? Feelings arebad.

"Feelings WILL NOT kill you!"

Wanna make abet.

Unfortunately many mental health professionals within our nhs (state funded) model are not up to the job. I had to go private to get real help.the mental health profession attracts a lot of 'sick' people who are there because they are unable to focus on their own 'sickness'. They do not see the person only the behaviour. It keeps sick people dependent & sick. It's a rat-trap. We have to be responsible for our own well being eventually. We cannot remain victims within the mental health game.

[newtus]

Originally Posted by earthmamma

Unfortunately many mental health professionals within our nhs (state funded) model are not up to the job. I had to go private to get real help.the mental health profession attracts a lot of 'sick' people who are there because they are unable to focus on their own 'sickness'. They do not see the person only the behaviour. It keeps sick people dependent & sick. It's a rat-trap. We have to be responsible for our own well being eventually. We cannot remain victims within the mental health game.

good point
but are you also saying the profession attracts people with issues to work in the profession?

[Syra]

Originally Posted by earthmamma

Unfortunately many mental health professionals within our nhs (state funded) model are not up to the job. I had to go private to get real help.the mental health profession attracts a lot of 'sick' people who are there because they are unable to focus on their own 'sickness'. They do not see the person only the behaviour...

Good points. In addition, some therapists are there to feed their own ego, or feel a need to be "savior," or want to control others (in an ever-so-kind-and-gentle manner) These people are often well-intentioned - and misguided. This can lead to several problems.

[newtus]

the most drama i encounter is with mental health techs. then second is therapists/social workers. then nurses and pdocs themselves after that. IMO.

[Syra]

Originally Posted by newtus

the most drama i encounter is with mental health techs. then second is therapists/social workers. then nurses and pdocs themselves after that. IMO.

What is a mental health tech?

[newtus]

a mental health technician are the people who have most the hands on contact with patients. they subdue them if needed. they do checks/rounds. the interact one on one. you know what im talking about?

[pachyderm]

Originally Posted by CantExplain

I wish someone would restrain me. It would indicate that they were taking some responsibility for what happens.

Temple Grandin, who has autism (which might have some similarities to us), developed her own "press" to enclose her snugly, when she discovered that cattle presses often calmed the cattle down (which was their purpose). "Restraint" can take many forms, some calming and some just the opposite.

[Syra]

Originally Posted by newtus

a mental health technician are the people who have most the hands on contact with patients. they subdue them if needed. they do checks/rounds. the interact one on one. you know what im talking about?

I think so. I assume this is in a hospital setting. thanks for clarifying