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Music is not such a bad place to start. There are musicians in every town and every school, so you've got a foot in the door wherever you go. I don't suppose there's much money in it (unless you are a star) but if you play and teach and busk you can probably get by.
Did you play in a band or an orchestra or something like that?
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I'm actually am a freelance musician right now. And I do get hired. I was actually contacted twice today from two separate clients looking for a trumpet player. And the per hour pay is amazing (minimum being $125 an hour). The problem is that I don't get contacted THAT much. Today was a really strange day that I got two phone calls. I usually get about one a month right now. If I were to become a much more prominent performer and freelance more and more, that would obviously change. But the other problem is that while the money per hour is fantastic, the amount of hours is usually under 3 hours. If I could get a few gigs a week, I'd be in the game. But right now, I really only get one a month because I also had to turn one of the calls down because I wouldn't make a profit with the travel expenses. |
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She criticizes how I practice. She tells me that I'm lazy and don't practice enough and don't practice "the hard stuff". She told me when I graduated high school and got into my school that I got in solely on natural ability and never had to do any work to get where I was and that I will start facing problems in music the second that real work was involved. And yes, it is true that I do have to work much harder in college to remain in the spotlight, but waving away all of the hours I worked in high school to get into schools and win merit scholarships isn't fair and it just made me neurotic. |
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That being said, I don't go to a university. I go to a music conservatory that has considerably under a thousand students. There are absolutely no programs and resources relating to helping students with this stuff. There are plenty of programs and resources relating to helping students get work in music, but there isn't anything beyond that. There are no departments other than music. The financial aid office is tiny and no one is a counselor by any stretch of the imagination. It's just students who are hired by the school to operate the computers and two people that are higher up that know anything about anything. There is no career services center beyond the music referral service. I'm also not asking friends on a regular basis. I filled out an application today because one of my friends said she turned down an interview and I was nervous about going in person. I also asked what work experience she put down because I do have work experience, it's just self employed. I wanted to know if she put that down and how she did it. |
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![]() *** How do other people at your level market themselves? What might you do to market yourself more, or more effectively? |
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I distinctly remember a lesson I had my freshman year. My teacher was angry with me about something. I probably was totally disorganized and obviously not taking care of myself. He asked me "where are your parents? Did they just drive you out here and left you on the streets to fend for yourself? Why do you seem to have absolutely no guidance?" At the time, he didn't know anything about the nature of my home life and had no idea that saying that would be really really harsh. I guess I have improved since then. I don't walk into lessons completely unprepared and disheveled. My mom would totally manage my time and tell me when to study for how long and what to study so I came into school with no ability to manage my time. I got a bit better about that. |
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Musically? I'm marketing myself quite well for my age. I would be doing slightly better if I had managed to pull together that wedding band so I could be more easily marketable to playing for wedding parties. Right now, I can really only play the wedding service because wedding services tend to be very heavy on classical music and I worked on piccolo trumpet quite a bit specifically for that purpose. But I don't know anyone my age who is doing much better. If I actually managed to get a brass quintet running, that would help but the problem is finding really committed players. I always lose the other trumpet player and/or the trombonist because they are more interested in getting paid than taking the time to actually rehearse and build a group worth hiring. But someday I'll find people who are actually interested in doing that. |
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everything else in life might as well be in Chinese because I have no confidence in my ability to figure it out and I don't even know where to start. That's why I've recently been looking at jobs that aren't performance based or require any musical skill, but still work in the general area like working at a music store or ushering at a concert hall. I have better connections in that world, I feel more comfortable in that situation, and it would be real work experience working in a retail or just customer service setting that I could use on an application for a job working as a cashier at a grocery store or something if it came up that I needed to do that. So I'm trying to bridge the gap but even just doing that is hard for me to follow or believe I can do it. |
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What you went through/go through is awful. It does suck that people assume a lot without knowing you. I once had a professor say that maybe I need to spend more time on my illustration work and drop the part time job to focus more... "besides how many cds/dvds do you need?" That was so insulting to me because the job was out of necessity. parents paid my tuition but nothing else and I was scraping by. |
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It's interesting how you say that I don't even know where to start and in the very next sentence you explain how you are starting!
![]() It's just hard for you to believe that you can really pull it off, whereas naturally you feel more confident in your strongest suit. What you said about mistakes in music, though, can also happen in the "real world": You make some mistakes and you figure out ways to get yourself out. When you get down to the "brass tacks" ![]() |
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Well, what's really difficult about this whole thing is that my parents have no financial need. My parents are rather wealthy and they said they'd pay for everything. And that would be fine if they didn't constantly threaten to cut me off and use it to completely control my life behind my back. I have absolutely no power over really anything because nothing is in my name. I don't even qualify for tons of things like need based financial aid because I'm not an independent and my parents have no financial need at all. And then there are people who try to guilt me for complaining about my life because my parents give me money. Or they just assume that because of my ability to get access to some money that my life is easy. And it's just like... I'm happy I've gotten the money that I have but at the same time, I own nothing and my parents are horrible and constantly threaten to abandon me completely. That's get I get so angry when anyone tries to tell me that my parents love me because they fund me. Maybe my mom does in her own twisted way, but it is completely meaningless because if money is how she expresses "love", she is like an abusive partner who constantly threatens me that she'll leave me if I do anything she disagrees with or says she won't love me anymore if I do x. And no one would try to tell me that if I were dating someone who did that to me that he "loved me in his own way" because that's not real love. It's control. Quote:
I'm growing in that I can recognize that I need a job and I'm trying to just be realistic in where I apply. That is growing because a year ago, I wouldn't have said I need a job. But it isn't enough growth. |
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It takes time to see significant improvement in oneself all over. Some parts of us are quicker and easier to fix. Other parts take a lot more time and effort. So many of us wish that we could be past traumas and better able to handle our lives! We just have to keep working towards moving forward in life, and celebrate our successes to keep us motivated to keep working hard.
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I hear you when you say your whole self-worth is tied up in your music. But it's a start! The seed, the spark is there.
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