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Old May 06, 2015, 05:21 AM
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I can't figure out if she thinks I am moron or if she is a moron or if she simply can't handle silence.

"You don't like being humiliated" = really? what is this supposed to mean? Who the hell likes to be humiliated? It was not even the point of why I was relating the incident.

"Stupidity of others frustrates you" = yes - of course it does. Who goes hurrah - I am dealing with an idiot? Again her response was not even related to the point of why I was relating the incident.

"Your response was normal" I don't ****ing care if it was normal or not -I did not ask if it was abnormal - I did not imply it was not normal. I did not say I was a unique ****ing little snowflake. Why on earth are you responding with it is normal?

"I think it is good you did X" - I didn't ask your ****ing permission. I don't need your ****ing approval.

And her **** with me response when I ask is that she did not really have a reason. Then shut the **** up if you don't have a reason to say something.
Quit messing with me.

Does the one you see do things like this? Are such statements from those guys useful for you?
I am not asking for advice or interpretation on what I do.

They seem to think that making an observation is putting your feelings into words. You could always tell them to stop. Mine always says "you're very strong". I said stop saying that, I don't feel strong, I feel like a mess.

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Old May 06, 2015, 05:24 AM
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would it seem like they were listening if the response had nothing to do with the point you were trying to make?
Guess the T is a twit, then.
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Old May 06, 2015, 05:58 AM
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When they mirror back and get it wrong, that's your chance to clarify.
I think that's a good point. Ts usually make such statements as a way to show they are listening and to verify that they are understanding the clients point. So if the T mirrors back a statement that shows they completely miss the point then I wouldn't hesitate to tell them. I have done this many times and it's always helpful, and as a T I'd hope clients would do the same. Even if the session is only to vent, I want them to get the point of what I'm venting about.
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Old May 06, 2015, 06:13 AM
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Of course I tell the woman she is wrong and that her speaking is useless. Weekly in the beginning, and now every time I allow her talk (which I no longer do every week).

Just wondered if others had the sort of experience or not.
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Old May 06, 2015, 06:47 AM
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Suppose that the T actually understands-- in some depth--what posters here have said and demonstrates that by what she/he reflects back. How helpful is that?
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There are other examples - just those three came off the top of my head. I wondered if others found such things actually useful if the therapist they see did them. If the one you see does not say stupid things that show they think the client is a moron who can't see the obvious - then good.
One time the woman's clock was broken and so I got out my watch and she asked why-I told her her clock was off -and she picked it up, looked at it, and then looked back at me and told me I was right. Of course I was right - I know what time the appointment I have is and the clock was not reflecting that time at all - how would I have been wrong? I don't need her to tell me I am right. Good lord - why would anyone need a therapist to tell them they are right about knowing if a clock is broken.
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Old May 06, 2015, 06:57 AM
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Thankfully, I have not had the same experience! That would drive me insane!
OF COURSE I hate talking to stupid people. I don't claim to be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I get frustrated trying to work with idiots who have no common sense. If my T started to parrot that back to me, I'd quit. I would get frustrated with THEIR stupidity. Dealing with idiots is what got me started in therapy to begin with!
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Old May 06, 2015, 07:10 AM
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Good lord - why would anyone need a therapist to tell them they are right about knowing if a clock is broken.
You made me laugh with this anecdote!

If it had been me I probably would have said something like he T seems to have said--but not with the thought that I was amazed that you could tell time!--but rather in surprise to learn that there was something wrong with my clock, and that I had not observed it previously. So if I were to say

Oh my gosh, you are right!

It would have been to express surprise and chagrin at the situation itself, not surprise that you were capable of noticing it.
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Old May 06, 2015, 07:16 AM
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When dealing with the woman, I am often reminded of the Far Side Cartoon with the alligator on the witness stand who says "Well of course I did it in cold blood, you idiot. I am a reptile."
I identify with the alligator.
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Old May 06, 2015, 09:31 AM
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Hmm. After answering I read some more answers. I wonder if part of the reason I don't find any of my therapist's interventions pointless is that I have had the same training as him in the same schools and always know where he's going with it (if I'm in the mood to wonder). So even if he just mirrors what I tell him or says something about himself or makes a clumsy joke, I know what benefit it might have therapeutically. So maybe that also contributes to my feeling it all has a point.
This is what I meant by do you find their interventions useful when I tried asking it before.

Also, I really don't want the woman attempting jokes. She is in no position to do so.
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No my T does not do that. It sounds too textbookie and like beginners counselling. I think I'd feel irritated if Tdid say those things to me.
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No my T does not do that. It sounds too textbookie and like beginners counselling. I think I'd feel irritated if Tdid say those things to me.
This reminds me of being taught this technique in grad school and how some fellow students thought that anything was mirroring-material, so they would repeat anything and everything the client ended their sentence with. Not many did this, but some. Now THAT I found pointless.
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This reminds me of being taught this technique in grad school and how some fellow students thought that anything was mirroring-material, so they would repeat anything and everything the client ended their sentence with. Not many did this, but some. Now THAT I found pointless.
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In my case, the woman is not repeating the things I say. I can't even imagine how irate I would become if she started doing that at me.
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That would be infuriating. I've been racking my brains to remember what my T says and I can't think of anything that really gets my goat like that.
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One time the woman's clock was broken and so I got out my watch and she asked why-I told her her clock was off -and she picked it up, looked at it, and then looked back at me and told me I was right. Of course I was right - I know what time the appointment I have is and the clock was not reflecting that time at all - how would I have been wrong? I don't need her to tell me I am right. Good lord - why would anyone need a therapist to tell them they are right about knowing if a clock is broken.
I love being told I'm right. I live for that!
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The whole "you hate to be humiliated" stuff sounds like what I've been urged to do with my 1st grader, who has trouble saying what's what so screams and throws tantrums instead. The very idea of anyone talking to you like a first grader just makes me cringe!

My T usually says "can we reframe that?" "Instead of saying you are always wrong, can you say you are sometimes right?" "You're developing your growing edge."

I get that I am hyper-focused on the negative, and it is her job to point out my flawed thinking, but sometimes I just really don't want my mind read!
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Of course I tell the woman she is wrong and that her speaking is useless. Weekly in the beginning, and now every time I allow her talk (which I no longer do every week).

Just wondered if others had the sort of experience or not.
I have had that experience. I generally ask him what his point is, or ask how the **** that particular observation is helpful. Sometimes he has an answer and sometimes he doesn't. I once said, 'thanks for following along, Einstein,' when he basically repeated something I had said (I think it was also something about hatred for humiliation). It seemed like that hurt his feelings a bit. He also mentioned to me once that "Idiot" is not a term of endearment. I thought I had said "Idiot" in the nicest possible way.
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Oh, I also once got super irritated when he asked me "how did that make you feel?" My response: "Really? Really?? Come on. You're a better therapist than that." He had the good grace to blush about it at least.
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Oh, I also once got super irritated when he asked me "how did that make you feel?" My response: "Really? Really?? Come on. You're a better therapist than that." He had the good grace to blush about it at least.
If I were your T, I might reply, yes, I can guess how you feel but I might be wrong. And even if I'm right, it will do you good to say it out loud in your own words.
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Stopdog.... I had similar statement question this week in a text and I just went...... uuuuuuhhhh, what?!?!?!

"we will do what we can and it will have to be enough".... huh???

I just keep thinking about it trying to see I am missing the meaning behind this or if it is redundant like it seems.
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It seemed like that hurt his feelings a bit. He also mentioned to me once that "Idiot" is not a term of endearment. I thought I had said "Idiot" in the nicest possible way.

Oh.... MYKIDSARECOOL!!!!!!!!!!!! You made me choke on my own suliva... LOL. I SOOOOO needed a quick laugh this week and today! I may have to start searching for your posts for some comic relief!
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Oh, I also once got super irritated when he asked me "how did that make you feel?" My response: "Really? Really?? Come on. You're a better therapist than that." .
I think I am going to save that one to use also.
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To me, personally, validation looks more like a re-phrasing of what I've said, not an exact repetition of what I've said. Rephrasing helps me understand that they have digested and understood what I was getting at.
For me the only possible way this might be useful is if they are correct in rephrasing what I said. And even then I am not certain it would be useful, but it would seem to have to be better than the wrong rephrasing that the woman is best known for.
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