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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:05 PM
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Art, your h lies! If he heard positive voices in his head, they would come out of his mouth!! He wouldnt be able to help it! He only hears negative stuff. He just believes its the truth and theres nothing wrong with it.

Theres two kinds of people in the world, and the positive ones dont hang out around much here!
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:06 PM
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Is it good to try to force the father to do something he does not mean and does not want to do? Is that really a good basis for the father son relationship?
I think not. I realize I am the minority. I have sympathy for the father. I hope it works out

I dunno. I think being a parent requires quite a lot of sucking it up and doing s h I t you don't want to do. It is called putting your child's wellbeing first and being a responsible parent. If you don't want to put the child's needs before your own, don't have kids. But that is my opinion and a result of being raised by people who could not be bothered to care about my feelings the way Art cares about her son's.
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:06 PM
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At this stage, the father's heard enough from art, it should be the son who has the next conversation with him.

SD's right, the son talked to his father about sex with his girlfriend at least. It doesn't sound to me like this has been their relationship all along. And with luck it is just a father-son rough patch: the father is upset about the car accidents and corresponding inconvenience, is worried the son doesn't have the survival skills for life (the budget and cleanliness stuff), maybe is jealous of the kid's youth, expects him to contribute more around the house since he's over 18, father's from a different generation, etc. I don't think the husband is an ogre.
O. M. G. what I bolded. he DID say something very briefly like that. Is that what all of this is? he just doesn't know a better way to express his concern? we've often been on not only different pages but in different books altogether - he's accused me of being way too overprotective for most of my son's life. And he was right to. I was terribly overprotective when he was younger. I've worked very hard not to be.
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:06 PM
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RE:lies and two types of people etc
I don't think that is true at all. A bit black and white for my taste and experience.
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:07 PM
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Maybe put a copy of iron john out and let them go into the woods and pee on logs together - that seems to be bonding sort of thing for (some) men.
(I read the book a long time ago - it made me laugh. Along with The Long Gray Line: The American Journey of West Point's Class of 1966 and Meat on the Hoof. Men fascinate me)
Except when it comes to their corns on the cob?

Sorry, couldn't resist...oh, wait, yes I could have.
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:08 PM
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Here's a part of a picture I've been coloring tonight. I was looking for somewhere to be calm. I've hung out with you guys Couch 129: The Semiprime Couch and colored. Lol! Thanks for the company!

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I dunno. I think being a parent requires quite a lot of sucking it up and doing s h I t you don't want to do. It is called putting your child's wellbeing first and being a responsible parent. If you don't want to put the child's needs before your own, don't have kids. But that is my opinion and a result of being raised by people who could not be bothered to care about my feelings the way Art cares about her son's.
Thank you for saying that. I too was raised by people who did not care about my feelings.
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:09 PM
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Art, your h lies! If he heard positive voices in his head, they would come out of his mouth!! He wouldnt be able to help it! He only hears negative stuff. He just believes its the truth and theres nothing wrong with it.

Theres two kinds of people in the world, and the positive ones dont hang out around much here!
I'm positive! Blood type O positive!
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:09 PM
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I dunno. I think being a parent requires quite a lot of sucking it up and doing s h I t you don't want to do. It is called putting your child's wellbeing first and being a responsible parent. If you don't want to put the child's needs before your own, don't have kids. But that is my opinion and a result of being raised by people who could not be bothered to care about my feelings the way Art cares about her son's.
I simply don't see the father as being a bad guy and not doing this sort of thing generally. Perhaps not the way some would do it, perhaps not as touchy feely as some might like, but I see no evidence that the father does not care for or love his son - even if he shows it differently than others might like.

Granted - I found my mother smothering and overprotective and overly emotional in many ways and I found it not pleasant.
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:11 PM
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Art my two cents- you brought up son's concerns to dad. I tend to think the next conversation should be between dad and son directly Hugs for being in the middle!!
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:11 PM
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Art, your h lies! If he heard positive voices in his head, they would come out of his mouth!! He wouldnt be able to help it! He only hears negative stuff. He just believes its the truth and theres nothing wrong with it.

Theres two kinds of people in the world, and the positive ones dont hang out around much here!
there may be some truth to that, una. there just may be.
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:12 PM
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Here's a part of a picture I've been coloring tonight. I was looking for somewhere to be calm. I've hung out with you guys Couch 129: The Semiprime Couch and colored. Lol! Thanks for the company!

Couch 129: The Semiprime Couch
Trail, that's really beautiful. I color for hours on end but just with glitter pens. Do you use colored pencils or something else to achieve that shaded look?
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:13 PM
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The state of michigan is losing it. Bad water in flint, now we're dumping poop and tp into lake st claire (between us and canada) from 8 cities due to a bad sewer in one city. Theyre worried that super bowl half time flushing is gonna back up on people! They better start handing out chemical toilets.
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:14 PM
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Is it good to try to force the father to do something he does not mean and does not want to do? Is that really a good basis for the father son relationship?
I think not. I realize I am the minority. I have sympathy for the father. I hope it works out
I guess I see your point. My son would probably be able to tell his Dad was being fake and that would be even more hurtful possibly. I guess I do need to step back and stop trying to control everything. But thanks for saying you hope it works out.
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:16 PM
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The state of michigan is losing it. Bad water in flint, now we're dumping poop and tp into lake st claire (between us and canada) from 8 cities due to a bad sewer in one city. Theyre worried that super bowl half time flushing is gonna back up on people! They better start handing out chemical toilets.
Oh no!! I hadn't heard about that. I knew about the bad water, but hadn't heard about the sewer problems. Just in time for super bowl - holy cow.
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:17 PM
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Here's a part of a picture I've been coloring tonight. I was looking for somewhere to be calm. I've hung out with you guys Couch 129: The Semiprime Couch and colored. Lol! Thanks for the company!

Couch 129: The Semiprime Couch
That's really peaceful, I love the colors. Thanks for sharing. I drew a picture last night I will share with you guys. Lemme go find it.
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:18 PM
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RE:lies and two types of people etc
I don't think that is true at all. A bit black and white for my taste and experience.
Yeah Theres two types of people in the world - those who believe theres two types and those who dont! Ha ha ha ha!

Just saying, my t and my chiro are both such sweet guys. Well, i dont let guys be defensive around me. I get rid of them.
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:19 PM
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The state of michigan is losing it. Bad water in flint, now we're dumping poop and tp into lake st claire (between us and canada) from 8 cities due to a bad sewer in one city. Theyre worried that super bowl half time flushing is gonna back up on people! They better start handing out chemical toilets.
My sump pump backed up into my yard last weekend (I live in a condo so not really my deal but I have to ride the HOA management company to get someone out here to fix it.) So yeah, waiting a few days to make sure the **** stayed down and kept running out into my yard (no that was not ok but no one cared) instead of coming into my house = not ok.

I am rather fond of Michigan so I hope things improve for you guys.
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:20 PM
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I discussed a dream with t the other evening, in the dream I'm on an upper floor of an old building that is crumbling and there is a fire in the bottom floor and I leave my baby with an old woman with white hair because I'm the only one who can go down into the first floor and put out the fire so we can escape. I go put out the fire and go back up and get my baby and we all leave. We are running through a city of very old brick buildings that are falling down and are on fire and it's raining and we're slogging through mud trying to get to higher ground. T said this is an archetypal dream and we are going to work more with it and she asked me to draw an image from the dream. Here is what I drew with pastels actually it was wednesday night. I forgot it was friday!!
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:20 PM
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I am perusing previously unexplored sections of DBC's website, trying to come up with further reasons to loathe her.

Lordy, her newsletter is super-annoying.
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:21 PM
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Britney Spears said "there's only two types of people in the world.. the ones that entertain... and the ones that observe..."
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:25 PM
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Art, I have no great advice (esp. with the valium kicking in, woooo) but I hope things improve for both you and your son. It would be great if your husband chose to communicate better with both of you.

(And don't forget to take care of yourself in all of this and determine what you really want for yourself long term. )
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:28 PM
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Thanks Elsewhere. That's a humongus question right now. What does ART want?
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:29 PM
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I am perusing previously unexplored sections of DBC's website, trying to come up with further reasons to loathe her.

Lordy, her newsletter is super-annoying.
My t said the other day that she's working on a web site. I wonder if she's going to put annoying stuff on it. Guess time will tell.
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Old Feb 03, 2017, 11:30 PM
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I am perusing previously unexplored sections of DBC's website, trying to come up with further reasons to loathe her.

Lordy, her newsletter is super-annoying.
I wish my ***** of a childhood T had a web site so I could do the same thing for her, ha.
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