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Old Feb 07, 2012, 07:38 AM
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OK - I'm really looking for PRACTICAL tips and ideas here to help me with my own emotional issue of an inappropriate crush I have on someone.

Please help me.......!

Some background.

I'm married for 13 years to a woman I still love. We have our ups and downs like any marriage but I do still love her and she is a very good friend. We have 2 children and I am devoted to them and love them dearly. I do not relish any prospect of a life living seperated from them.

Alls sounds fine doesnt it.

So why am I infatuated with another woman?

Due to the nature of my work I spend a certain proportion of every day interacting with this lady "Kate". She has a way about her which affects me physically (knots in my stomach - burning in my chest) when I am with her or even when I think about her.

I am not falling in love with her because we do not have a relationship that is anything more than platonic friendship and mutual respect. Don't get me wrong I 'like' her very much but that doesnt mean I am in love with her.

I DO find her very attractive, but this isnt the only aspect of my attraction to her - there are many things she says and does that I find incredibly powerful (un-neccesarily so) eg the way she walks, or how she pronounces certain words.

These signals to me are all about a crush.

But the BIG problem for me is that I've felt this way for at least 2 years. It just doesn't go away.

I've tried tactics to 'cure myself' - Ive talked to a confidant, I've tried to get to know more about her and her own family (she is married with Children too) to remind myself she is happily married and has a happy life with NO intimate connection with me. But I just can't shake these feelings off.

I really need some practical help here guys - I'm going nuts and its not pleasant when I see her every day. I'd rather be in a very different and more content frame of mind, but how do I get there???????????

PLEASE HELP!

PS I CANT leave my job. I CANT avoid her. I CANT distance myself from her to give myself a break......
Thanks for this!
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Old Feb 07, 2012, 05:34 PM
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Jamie, I think you are going to have to put more emphasis on your wife and children. Likely this woman has no interest in you as she is married also. Get the non-available stamped into your brain for both of you. Usually crushes are one way streets. Have some extra romantic times with your wife and concentrate on that. Crushes usually consist of fancifull ideas that don't meet with reality. Even if you did have a something going with her, you likely seem like a guys with good ethics...you would not be able to stand yourself for cheating on your wife.

Sorry that you are in a position that you can't make distance physically, but for you and your wife's sake, ya gotta make it emotionally.

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Old Feb 07, 2012, 05:49 PM
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Not a lot of advice, just wanted to say I'm going through the same thing and I feel for you, because it sucks.

The person I was crushing on apparently had a change of heart (I don't know the details, he won't communicate with me anymore) and now I'm utterly devastated. I took an extra step and told him my feelings, which you haven't done yet. It didn't really do anything for me except prolong the discussion - we hemmed and hawed over what to do, wrung our hands, hugged briefly, and then he decided to disappear on me. Which is probably better for all concerned.

Now I'm faced with wondering what's wrong with my own life and marriage, and that's the real problem. So -

If I can extend anything from my own situation to yours - and I'm still in the teeth of this thing and hurting like hell with no prospect of figuring anything out anytime soon - I'd probably say there are a few possible paths:

- you could tell her how you feel and risk her response. She might see you as a creepy stalker and report you to HR, or tell you to get lost. That would pretty much solve the problem right out of the gate.

- you could tell her, and she might also have a crush on you and reveal it. Or she might not have been considering you as a romantic option, but your confession might give her ideas and inspire something. This would open the door to a possible affair.

So now you've got to ask yourself: do you really want to have an affair? Risk blowing up the situation with your wife and the kids? It sounds like the prospect of delving into something like this makes you uneasy.

You could tell her you want a strictly physical affair (I sort of got this from your description of your feelings), with an eye to containing the damage. If you're not in love, if it's just physical, then it's less risky - right? Is that what you're thinking? I only recognize this rationalization because I've been guilty of it too, like just last week. (I'm not doing any better than you at the moment, but I'm observing everything I do because it makes me feel less crazy - and I'm hoping to learn from my own nutty mistakes.)

The only problem with that kind of blistering honesty is that it rarely works as a seduction ploy. Most women want to feel like they're inspiring love. If you present this too clumsily, she'll feel insulted. So maybe best not to go there.

Rather than hitting on her, is there any possibility of your bringing it up as a problem, something distracting that's affecting your work relationship? Again, there's the risk that it sounds like you're coming on to her, trying to engage her, rather than attempting to resolve the problem.

I do think sexual boredom in marriage is a real issue, and the person who could solve that one across the board would be richer than the Facebook guy...

Someone else on this forum put it to me in a way that helped: this is obviously not making you happy. Maybe try to like yourself enough to walk away from something that is giving you pain. Go toward the light - go toward things that make you feel better, not worse. You've already spent two years of your life on a hopeless crush. Your time is the currency of your life. Don't waste any more of it.

Another idea I picked up today from this site - the notion of radical acceptance. You can't deny your feelings, and you shouldn't try to. Accept that you're in pain and that you might always feel this way about this woman, and that the situation could remain totally hopeless. Once you realize that it really is hopeless, the pain lets up just a bit. Once you let go of the illusion that you could turn this into anything positive, it's easier to let it go.

Or maybe not, I dunno...

So you need to find a way to get through this. Therapy would be something that might help a whole heck of a lot right now.

Just commiserating with you and free associating here, because I have no real advice.
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Old Feb 08, 2012, 08:27 AM
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Thanks for this reply kitten, I have added my thoughts below.....

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Not a lot of advice, just wanted to say I'm going through the same thing and I feel for you, because it sucks.

The person I was crushing on apparently had a change of heart (I don't know the details, he won't communicate with me anymore) and now I'm utterly devastated. I took an extra step and told him my feelings, which you haven't done yet. It didn't really do anything for me except prolong the discussion - we hemmed and hawed over what to do, wrung our hands, hugged briefly, and then he decided to disappear on me. Which is probably better for all concerned.

Now I'm faced with wondering what's wrong with my own life and marriage, and that's the real problem. So -

If I can extend anything from my own situation to yours - and I'm still in the teeth of this thing and hurting like hell with no prospect of figuring anything out anytime soon - I'd probably say there are a few possible paths:

- you could tell her how you feel and risk her response. She might see you as a creepy stalker and report you to HR, or tell you to get lost. That would pretty much solve the problem right out of the gate.
I hear what you are saying but I honestly dont think this would solve the problem.

- you could tell her, and she might also have a crush on you and reveal it. Or she might not have been considering you as a romantic option, but your confession might give her ideas and inspire something. This would open the door to a possible affair.

So now you've got to ask yourself: do you really want to have an affair? Risk blowing up the situation with your wife and the kids? It sounds like the prospect of delving into something like this makes you uneasy.

You could tell her you want a strictly physical affair (I sort of got this from your description of your feelings), with an eye to containing the damage. If you're not in love, if it's just physical, then it's less risky - right? Is that what you're thinking? I only recognize this rationalization because I've been guilty of it too, like just last week. (I'm not doing any better than you at the moment, but I'm observing everything I do because it makes me feel less crazy - and I'm hoping to learn from my own nutty mistakes.) I do relate to this; I relate to the prospect of a physical affair and your own way of trying to observe yourself, but if the whole thing was just a physical/sex thing in me, then I'd be pretty happy I could cure it by being open with my wife and working on things positively there.

The only problem with that kind of blistering honesty is that it rarely works as a seduction ploy. Most women want to feel like they're inspiring love. If you present this too clumsily, she'll feel insulted. So maybe best not to go there.

Rather than hitting on her, is there any possibility of your bringing it up as a problem, something distracting that's affecting your work relationship? Again, there's the risk that it sounds like you're coming on to her, trying to engage her, rather than attempting to resolve the problem.
I dont see this as an option in our circumstances.

I do think sexual boredom in marriage is a real issue, and the person who could solve that one across the board would be richer than the Facebook guy...

Someone else on this forum put it to me in a way that helped: this is obviously not making you happy.
correct. Its making me unhappy.

Maybe try to like yourself enough to walk away from something that is giving you pain. Go toward the light - go toward things that make you feel better, not worse. You've already spent two years of your life on a hopeless crush. Your time is the currency of your life. Don't waste any more of it.
This is the kind of practical thought process I was really looking for but this is a train of thought I've been trying to cultivate in myself for a looooong time, and each time I think I'm getting somewhere then 'BAM!' she looks at me or laughs at me and I get that knot in my stomach again. Its relentless.

Another idea I picked up today from this site - the notion of radical acceptance. You can't deny your feelings, and you shouldn't try to. Accept that you're in pain and that you might always feel this way about this woman, and that the situation could remain totally hopeless. Once you realize that it really is hopeless, the pain lets up just a bit. Once you let go of the illusion that you could turn this into anything positive, it's easier to let it go.
I'm a positive man, a 'go-getter'. My whole life, if I've felt such strong emotion about something I've expressed it, in my personal life, and in my working life. Part of the problem here is that I have a huge 'BRAKE' sign in my head which says "DONT act. It will destroy people you care about".

I just feel like this is a teenage emotion set, being played out by a 40-something guy with a nice wife and family, and I need to manage it better than I am internally.

For what its worth, this is where I'd be talking to my dad or my brother but sadly both are no longer here - I lack a male counterpart/voice of experience who can help me through......

Or maybe not, I dunno...

So you need to find a way to get through this. Therapy would be something that might help a whole heck of a lot right now.

Just commiserating with you and free associating here, because I have no real advice.
Please keep the comments coming, I really do want to talk this one out as much as I can, I'm pretty desperate.......

Thanks all
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Old Feb 09, 2012, 05:40 AM
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OK - I'm really looking for PRACTICAL tips and ideas here to help me with my own emotional issue of an inappropriate crush I have on someone.

Please help me.......!

Some background.

I'm married for 13 years to a woman I still love. We have our ups and downs like any marriage but I do still love her and she is a very good friend. We have 2 children and I am devoted to them and love them dearly. I do not relish any prospect of a life living seperated from them.

Alls sounds fine doesnt it.

So why am I infatuated with another woman?

Due to the nature of my work I spend a certain proportion of every day interacting with this lady "Kate". She has a way about her which affects me physically (knots in my stomach - burning in my chest) when I am with her or even when I think about her.

I am not falling in love with her because we do not have a relationship that is anything more than platonic friendship and mutual respect. Don't get me wrong I 'like' her very much but that doesnt mean I am in love with her.

I DO find her very attractive, but this isnt the only aspect of my attraction to her - there are many things she says and does that I find incredibly powerful (un-neccesarily so) eg the way she walks, or how she pronounces certain words.

These signals to me are all about a crush.

But the BIG problem for me is that I've felt this way for at least 2 years. It just doesn't go away.

I've tried tactics to 'cure myself' - Ive talked to a confidant, I've tried to get to know more about her and her own family (she is married with Children too) to remind myself she is happily married and has a happy life with NO intimate connection with me. But I just can't shake these feelings off.

I really need some practical help here guys - I'm going nuts and its not pleasant when I see her every day. I'd rather be in a very different and more content frame of mind, but how do I get there???????????

PLEASE HELP!

PS I CANT leave my job. I CANT avoid her. I CANT distance myself from her to give myself a break......
Crushes suck.

The fantasy of this woman is turning you on. Your imagination is filling in the blanks and creating so much passion that you are losing your mind.
Thanks for this!
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Old Feb 09, 2012, 01:51 PM
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your feelings for this "other" woman is lust.
you have it all with your wife and children, don't make a mistake and lose it all.
but what is missing from your marriage to lust after another woman?
is it emotional support? communication? physcial?
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Old Feb 10, 2012, 07:44 AM
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your feelings for this "other" woman is lust.
you have it all with your wife and children, don't make a mistake and lose it all.
but what is missing from your marriage to lust after another woman?
is it emotional support? communication? physcial?
I'm not sure it is 'just' lust. There is more in there in terms of specific characteristics she has, which may be linked to some of the questions you ask there.

The biggest thing missing for me is 'intimacy' - since we have had children my wife does not get motivated by physical closeness in the way she used to, and I dont just mean sex, I mean all aspects of physical intimacy that you share with your partner - touch, kissing, affection. We have sex, but it doesnt set her on fire like it used to, and she just isnt as 'feminine' as she was.

That sounds harsh, but its not a criticism of her. She is a great mum and when we discuss this she says herself that she is more focussed on being a mum than a partner. She is a woman who is 'on a mission' pretty much 99% of the time. And that means she doesnt have the mindset to chillout, relax, get in touch with herself, and then get in touch with me.

The 'other woman' here does exude femininity, and has certain ways about her which perhaps I have latched onto as a fantasy of that intimacy I crave..........

The more I think about this, the more worried I am that this actually isnt a crush its indicating more important issues with our marriage which I don't think are easily solved.................

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Old Feb 10, 2012, 12:21 PM
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Jamie, it's hard to turn off the responsibility of mothering and get into the mode of lover/wife. I had my husband cheat on me when my daughter was 6 months old. He wasn't getting the attention he craved, so he thought my love had stopped. we also had an extremely demanding business going where I handled the phone and appointments; so my days were taken up with that, and my nights were interrupted very often by my daughter. I was sleep deprived and was only to give a small effort to my marriage. The outcome of his cheating, caused me a long time emotional hurt that was just devasting to me and to our marriage.

Set you wife down and talk to her about your needing more personal attention. Please don't do this to her when she is trying to focus on mothering. She cannot
be divided in two on this front....the child is seemingly more demanding; but evidentally she doesn't know she is dealing with another needy person who wants to run away to get attention. I'm sorry about this last part...but waiting on a guy lots and lots pre-children...and then when you can't give him the attention he had gotten...he feels like the grass is greener somewhere else. Just my take on it Jamie!!
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Old Feb 10, 2012, 01:21 PM
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I have found that often my fighting what I feel and the resistance I set up within myself is worse than just accepting that I feel what I feel. So what if you are sexually attracted to this woman? You are a biological creature and she is biologically attractive. You do not have to act on it. You can be attracted to multiple women at once but you have chosen to be married and have children and a life with your wife. That's what makes you human, you get to choose what to do.

Enjoy working with this woman and realizing you are male What you think and feel are not under your control! You just get to decide how they influence what you do.
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Old Feb 11, 2012, 04:04 PM
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for some women its hard to find that balance between being a wife and mother.
maybe go to couples sex therapy or leave the kids with your parents or hers and have a romantic night with just the two of you.
whatever you do don't take the tempation in front of you.
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Old Feb 13, 2012, 10:09 AM
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I'm not sure it is 'just' lust. There is more in there in terms of specific characteristics she has, which may be linked to some of the questions you ask there.

The biggest thing missing for me is 'intimacy' - since we have had children my wife does not get motivated by physical closeness in the way she used to, and I dont just mean sex, I mean all aspects of physical intimacy that you share with your partner - touch, kissing, affection. We have sex, but it doesnt set her on fire like it used to, and she just isnt as 'feminine' as she was.

That sounds harsh, but its not a criticism of her. She is a great mum and when we discuss this she says herself that she is more focussed on being a mum than a partner. She is a woman who is 'on a mission' pretty much 99% of the time. And that means she doesnt have the mindset to chillout, relax, get in touch with herself, and then get in touch with me.

The 'other woman' here does exude femininity, and has certain ways about her which perhaps I have latched onto as a fantasy of that intimacy I crave..........

The more I think about this, the more worried I am that this actually isnt a crush its indicating more important issues with our marriage which I don't think are easily solved.................

Since you asked for people to comment, here is my comment, based on my observations on the job of two women similar to what you are describing.

The first woman was hot to trot for any man who would give her any attention whatsoever, although she preferred attracting the attention of men she viewed as more powerful.

She also chose her language carefully, using words that had a sexual undertone; always thrusting herself to the fore in meetings and conversations. She was basically promising herself as a sexual object to anything with enough testosterone.

The flip side of that, though, was she had a distinct dislike of most men, and was blatantly using them to get along in life--something she didn't reveal to all the men to whom she gave her come-along act, but what she revealed to the other women in the office.

The other woman was more complex and probably closer to what you have been experiencing. This woman was a more refined version of Gal A; in that she didn't wear overtly sexy clothes and her language was not overtly sexy.

Instead what she did was create a bond with our impressionable boss that excluded everyone but the two of them, and she maneuvered things so that he and she were often alone and (supposedly) dependent upon one another for decision making, thoughts and feelings-expressing, and general relaxation.

In reality, the boss could have expressed his thoughts (about the business anyway) to all of the staff; and he could have gone home and expressed his thoughts and feelings to his wife instead of this woman.

I have no doubt the boss thought this woman was the feminine ideal: she was always perfectly groomed and he held her up to all of us as the perfect wife and mother (oh, yes, she was a married woman with several children).

Of course she was the perfect wife and mother (even though she was rarely home and her children were being raised by her husband and her own mother and a part time nanny) and she was perfectly groomed because she was an admitted shopaholic (something she bragged about) and she took time out during the day to attend to her personal needs (instead of doing anything so pedestrian as w-o-r-k-i-n-g).

If your wife is not "feminine" enough for you, then you could put your money where your desire is and have her go to the beauty parlor twice a week, buy her a new, sexier wardrobe and get her a part time nanny for the children.

I do agree with you that the issues of marriage aren't solved easily when what one of the issues is, is that one partner wants a fantasy while the other partner is busy in the trenches doing the grunt work.

I mean no criticism of men, either; it could just as easily be a man who works like a dog all week and comes home to a wife who has sat around making goo-goo eyes at every man-jack on the internet instead of cleaning house and attending to the children; while husband is busy living in the real world of sweat and work; immature wife is living in a fantasy of Prince Charmings and tiaras.

The reality is that children often change the nature of a man and woman's relationship; that this isn't always permanent nor is it bad; every stage of our lives is a gift, if we only can find a way to see it that way.

If you have been mooning over this Perfect Woman for 2 years, I'm not a bit surprised your wife isn't giddy when you come home. You can decide to improve your marriage; you can devote 100% of the time and energy you have put into the Perfect Woman into your love for your wife and children. If you have not sought out a counselor for yourself, now would be the time. I hope for you a happy marriage and secure and happy children and a loving future with your family.
Thanks for this!
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Old Feb 14, 2012, 05:20 PM
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i wanted to add that i understand about the "physical" part of your marriage, the hugs, the little kisses, the holding of the hands, i get it, but you can do something too.

maybe when you come home from work give the kids their baths and put them to bed, while your wife cleans the kitchen or puts a load in the washer, and then come together just the two of you watching whatever it is on tv or drinking coffee or wine together and talk about each others day while your giving her a foot message.

do something where you can reconnect with your wife.
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Old Feb 17, 2012, 11:14 AM
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i wanted to add that i understand about the "physical" part of your marriage, the hugs, the little kisses, the holding of the hands, i get it, but you can do something too.

maybe when you come home from work give the kids their baths and put them to bed, while your wife cleans the kitchen or puts a load in the washer, and then come together just the two of you watching whatever it is on tv or drinking coffee or wine together and talk about each others day while your giving her a foot message.

do something where you can reconnect with your wife.
yes, I have done all this. I am a very tactile and affectionate person, and offer her physical affection every day. But mostly it is not wanted - she sees being given a back massage as a chore. Sounds weird but true.

In reply to other points raised - I relate to the thought about accepting what I am feeling but not acting on it, and that is totally right, its emotional intelligence and maturity. My problem is that I cannot seem to understand the root cause and therefore rationalise it well enough to counteract the crush.

Basically - I have a crush, I dont want it, I dont need it, and I want it to stop - if I could take a pill and make it stop I would. I need some more help working out what the pill is please!!!!

THANKS to all who have responded so far - I appreciate you taking the time. Some of your comments are a little off the mark but thats to be expected as you dont know the detail or all the background - this is just an online chat and you can't be expected to hit the mark with every thought.

Are there any more folks out there who have experienced a major crush which they 'killed' with some internal tactics?????
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hi jamie. how are you now? If you have spent a lot of good time at home, and any other places, except at work, near your crush, then your crush will vanishes. You would have no more energy and time to muck around, nor waste. Only you can make yourself happy. Your wife, yourself and few different marriage counsellors will help you a lot. I Hope you will get well again soon. My problem is similar to yours, but, there are 2 fundamental extra problems:
first, she reciprocated possitively, and very clearly.
secondly, half of me wants to accept this blissful beautiful angel, as she has been constantly in my mind. But, the other half of me tells me try to "forget about it". Our age difference is too much. i have never married, and always waiting and dream about a partner in my life similar to herself. When the dream comes, She is too young for me. She is my half the dream. I may be holding her back from very promising world, which is in front of this very beautiful, inteligent, healthy, popular angel. My heart is hurt every time i saw her sad eyes looking at me. I want to have a girl of minimum 25 year old, and not younger than that. i still do not know what to do.
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