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Old Sep 02, 2015, 12:03 PM
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Yes, I think it IS possible. I have a male friend who is bipolar in addition to myself. Being hypomanic makes us high energy and a hell of a lot of fun to be around. It is the depression that makes it harder to be around a bipolar person. Don't forget most of the time though you are in the middle ground not one way or the other. I think it could be said that a bipolar person can be considered attractive as a date. But your prospective partner needs to know early on - and they need to know what they can expect when you are at your highs or lows. They also need to know your expectations of what support for you will look like.

Again, in answer to your question, YES it is possible. I encourage you to give it a try and wish you good luck.
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Rcat, are there symptoms to know if a person struggles with bipolar , ?
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Yes, I think it IS possible. I have a male friend who is bipolar in addition to myself. Being hypomanic makes us high energy and a hell of a lot of fun to be around. It is the depression that makes it harder to be around a bipolar person. Don't forget most of the time though you are in the middle ground not one way or the other. I think it could be said that a bipolar person can be considered attractive as a date. But your prospective partner needs to know early on - and they need to know what they can expect when you are at your highs or lows. They also need to know your expectations of what support for you will look like.


Again, in answer to your question, YES it is possible. I encourage you to give it a try and wish you good luck.

I forgot to add (in my rather long winded previous response) that it is possible! I have had several bfs with varying degrees of mental illness (ADHD, Depression, Bipolar, NPD, etc...) in the past. Some were diagnosed and some weren't. Obviously, the one's who were aware of their illness and in treatment, were much easier to deal with and lasted quite some time They were much healthier relationships too. The ones that weren't treated, needless to say, didn't last as long and were emotionally draining. I don't personally have a problem with dating someone who is bipolar (in fact, I'm drawn to such men), just as long as it is being managed and he is not in denial. I obviously have a more open mind about this, since I suffer from ADHD, GAD, Panic Disorder, Depression (possibly bipolar II. I also think a part of me is attracted to some of the chaos that accompanies such illnesses, since it stimulates my dopamine receptors. I've also known many neurotypical women, who have been in relationships with men, who suffered from the disorders that you have mentioned. I think the key is open and honest communication. Not to mention, the NT partner taking a proactive stance by making sure she educates herself about the illness.. It may be a bit more difficult for you to find an accepting partner, but it is far from impossible.

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Old Sep 02, 2015, 02:18 PM
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Crosstobear, first may I tell you that my heart goes out to you. this anxiety that you carry is indeed a heavy cross to bear. It is my opinion that we should all be absolutely and completely honest with anyone that we see as a potential life partner. If they can't handle the truth, then they do not deserve your love. While you may have Bipolar, BPD, Schizophrenia or any other Mental Illness, you still have a heart, capable of love and compassion. You are still capable of being a wonderful partner and companion. And if the person rejects you because of ANY diagnosis, then they themselves do not deserve you. Male or Female. This may make love harder to find, but when you do, you will know that it is stronger and truer (is that a real word) and that is is worth fighting for.
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How possible is it- as a male- to find a long-term, mutually supportive, happy and healthy and non-codependent/caretaker relationship while being diagnosed with a severe mental illness such as Bipolar Disorder, Schizophrenia, Borderline Personality Disorder, Schizoaffective Disorder, etc.?

I personally have Bipolar II Disorder, and I find that my paranoia/fear of disclosing creates this aura of tension and vigilance that sabotages my relationships. It often works out well in the beginning, but the fear of being "found out" and thrown away for being mentally ill takes over and makes me super guarded myself and very afraid of being abandoned so I become hyper vigilant, paranoid and jealous. There were times I disclosed and pretty much never heard from the person again or was given the whole "not ready for a relationship/getting over my ex/not you, it's me" schpiel.

Come to think of it, as a male you're physically stronger than a woman and society different expectations for you. It's conceivable that women see mentally ill men as not just poor dating options but dangerous choices. Being stabilized on medication and with therapy is fundamental, but the real possibility of losing your **** one day due to medication tolerance or stress overload is enough to make you a bad dating prospect. Not to mention, my personal feeling is that I'd make a terrible, inconsistent father as a result of my Bipolar Disorder and I'd pass on genes to children who didn't ask for it. It seems easier for mentally ill women because there will always be a guy "man enough" to take care of them, but there won't be a woman that'll do the same, after all women have a biological purpose to protect and rear children, and a husband is ideally not someone you'd have to protect or care for as you would a child.

On a personal note, I've seen many couples where the man was mentally ill and they've broken apart due to the fact that dealing with chronic and severe mental illness is a drain on a partner and people deserve happiness and fulfillment in relationships, not the burden of caring for someone who has a condition that makes life hell.

If you read evolutionary psychology, it becomes super depressing after a while.

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Old Sep 02, 2015, 02:22 PM
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@ FeelingHopeful - well anyone that I have met that is hypomanic is really a great deal of fun. They are charismatic and tend to be quite happy and full of life. I myself love to be hypomanic. I enjoy it. I am full f energy, surrounded by my friends, and am generally having a good time. I also attract people to me.

(now, when a hypomanic person starts taking risks and getting irritable and bossy, those are signs that they are swinging up into a higher zone. That is the signs they may soon need help.)

People in my support group have all talked about this and how the euphoria of being hypomanic is very pleasant. We've also generally agreed that we seem to attract people to us when in such a state.

My friends have gotten used to the fact that I am not always this way. They also recognise the lows - like right now. Primarily they make sure they get me out of the house.

You will find a special person who will be prepared for and understand the times you are one or the other. In my opinion however, hiding it will eventually cause a problem. At some point you would have to explain yourself. You certainly don't want to surprise a date with odd behaviour.

Do you work? That might be the doorway to explaining your situation.

I've also used humour. Once, when I did something silly I blurted out 'oops, I've just had a bipolar moment' they naturally laughed at which point I said 'seriously...'

I've never had anyone get upset, no one has walked away. The usual reaction is to simply ask what it means.
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Good luck to anyone in a relationship with a personality disordered male. A couple years ago I checked off almost all the criteria for Borderline Personality Disorder. I hurt SO many decent people- friends, girlfriends. You name it, I did it. I cheated, I broke hearts, I lied, I stirred the pot. I tore people apart, ripped open their wounds and poured vinegar on them. I would anticipate abandonment when things were going well and I'd gradually feel myself ACTUALLY come to lose attraction for someone or sometimes the paranoia would cause me to project onto them and verbally/emotionally abuse them. In addition to all that was my paranoia about being found out as bipolar. I'd go into relationships fearing the day she would see the medication bottles or witness me hypomanic and wonder why I'm so uppity... The problem is the double whammy of BP and BPD. When triggered now, my BPD symptoms come out. I'm not as bad as before but I'm a very difficult person to those closest to me. And the thing I want most is closeness, and to let down this guard because I'm tired of looking over my shoulder. I'm tired of striking first so they don't abandon me. I'm tired of destroying anyone that loves me. I'm tired of being like this. I just wish I had a different type of pathology.
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Cross to bear thank you for saying all that , I think its brave to put yourself out that way .
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Old Sep 04, 2015, 02:41 PM
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Of course your relationships ended in flames!!!


You attempted to hide intrinsic parts of your very being.


I can't imagine how crazy stressful that must have been for you, nor how confusing it must have been for your gfs...


In short, that's a bad idea.

Yeah, Don't do that again.


Didn't you watch the Hunchback of Notre dame?


Get out of that damn tower, stop hiding and live your life, authentically.


I know it easier said than done, well not from personal experience, I never bothered to climb in the bipolar/bpd closet, so I didn't have any coming out issues.... But I'm telling you, hiding is really not the answer.


And if you doubt me, ask yourself "well how is it working for you?"
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Of course your relationships ended in flames!!!


You attempted to hide intrinsic parts of your very being.


I can't imagine how crazy stressful that must have been for you, nor how confusing it must have been for your gfs...


In short, that's a bad idea.

Yeah, Don't do that again.


Didn't you watch the Hunchback of Notre dame?


Get out of that damn tower, stop hiding and live your life, authentically.


I know it easier said than done, well not from personal experience, I never bothered to climb in the bipolar/bpd closet, so I didn't have any coming out issues.... But I'm telling you, hiding is really not the answer.


And if you doubt me, ask yourself "well how is it working for you?"
You're saying I shouldn't hide my mental illness? If so, I'm sorry, I disagree. Most people want love for themselves, and want a good partner. I don't want to reveal a possible deal-breaker until they come to love me and see the good side of me. I have so much bad that they need to see something good, a reason to hold on despite my bad side. Most people run away at first sight of mental illness, and those who don't I question their motives.
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You're saying I shouldn't hide my mental illness? If so, I'm sorry, I disagree. Most people want love for themselves, and want a good partner. I don't want to reveal a possible deal-breaker until they come to love me and see the good side of me. I have so much bad that they need to see something good, a reason to hold on despite my bad side. Most people run away at first sight of mental illness, and those who don't I question their motives.

Question. Would you want to be with you? The reason I ask, is because we have to ultimately love and accept who we are. At least before expecting anyone else to. It's a tough a question.

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That's a good question. I know I have a good side, but whether or not I can maintain it all the time is the question. I'd want to be with me when I'm okay, but not when I'm not. That's actually a question I've never thought about, because my ideal partner wouldn't have my qualities, thus whether or not me, or someone like me, could stand being in a relationship with me is irrelevant, lol. I have qualities I like in a partner, and those qualities I don't see in my self. In short- would I date myself? No. I don't think the purpose of finding a partner is to find a copy of yourself, lol.
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I asked because it's the question I struggle with myself. I think the key lies in getting to point, where I am truly content with myself. Usually, the things that annoy us most about a person, are the things we dislike within ourselves.

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I asked because it's the question I struggle with myself. I think the key lies in getting to point, where I am truly content with myself. Usually, the things that annoy us most about a person, are the things we dislike within ourselves.

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I agree to an extent. I also think people are very different and someone may like/love you for reasons you won't understand.
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Old Sep 06, 2015, 11:24 PM
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I agree to an extent. I also think people are very different and someone may like/love you for reasons you won't understand.

That Is a nice thought. Although, I sometimes wonder about those people.... Lol!

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You're saying I shouldn't hide my mental illness? If so, I'm sorry, I disagree. Most people want love for themselves, and want a good partner. I don't want to reveal a possible deal-breaker until they come to love me and see the good side of me. I have so much bad that they need to see something good, a reason to hold on despite my bad side. Most people run away at first sight of mental illness, and those who don't I question their motives.


Yes and no.


Yes I'm saying you shouldn't have to go through such lengths to hide it that you burn every bridge before its even properly erected.


But no, I don't mean you should go shouting it from the roof tops before you even properly introduce yourself.


Potential partners should know your last name before your acronyms, if you catch my drift.


My point was this, if you're exhausting all your mental energy on hiding your demons you have none left to actually sustain any kind of relationship or friendship.


Then these connections get burned to the ground and not because you have mental health problems, but mostly because nobody knows you're trying to hide them.


Idk if im being clear, my brain is full and foggy all at once, going thru my own bipolar swamp at the moment.


Sorry if my input wasn't helpful.
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Yes and no.

Yes I'm saying you shouldn't have to go through such lengths to hide it that you burn every bridge before its even properly erected.

But no, I don't mean you should go shouting it from the roof tops before you even properly introduce yourself.

Potential partners should know your last name before your acronyms, if you catch my drift.

My point was this, if you're exhausting all your mental energy on hiding your demons you have none left to actually sustain any kind of relationship or friendship.

Then these connections get burned to the ground and not because you have mental health problems, but mostly because nobody knows you're trying to hide them.

Idk if im being clear, my brain is full and foggy all at once, going thru my own bipolar swamp at the moment.

Sorry if my input wasn't helpful.
No, I get what you're saying now. I don't tell partners, until I realize I cannot hold it in any longer. Like when I start realizing they are developing feelings for me. I absolutely cannot handle that. I don't know how to tell them while securing assurance that they won't run for the hills. It feels great when they start catching feelings and I do, too. But then when the dust settles I realize, ****, they are going to find out sooner or later, so I should man up and tell them. And then the war in my head begins, for lack of better words.

Anyone experience this? A kind of "bless your soul girl, for you know not what you're getting yourself into"... when the dating partner begins catching feelings? It's like part of you wants it and is exhilirated. The other part of you feels dread and pity for them.
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Oh yeah! I can definitely relate to that feeling! Lol! Ugh!

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