[Angelique67]

The creep that's ringleading the effort to drive me out via torture is stalking me. I'm house bound except for medical appointments. He's sitting downstairs from me, triggering my mental illness at intervals, not sleeping until I fall asleep, and awake again as soon as, or promptly after I awaken. So are the other two! His wife, and their friend upstairs.

I'm out of ideas except to find a new place, maybe in a different city, just to get away from these freaks (him, his imbecile wife, and their female friend upstairs). But I'm so exhausted and tortured by what they're doing (triggering me endlessly throughout my waking hours) I can't get myself to start the process. I feel like I'm in quicksand.

I'm even suspicious that someone in the forums is really him, trolling me. I feel sick to my stomach.

ETA: I meant for this to go in the Other Mental Health forum. Maybe a moderator could move it? I don't know. Sorry.

[kaynaya001]

Are they pulling all these kinds of strange.. psychological games that are hard to explain? I have a feeling you're dealing with what I did, based on how vaguely you worded it. I know alll about dealing with this kind of thing you're going through. If you want to, pm me. I'll check this site soon.

What reasons do you have to think they are intentionally doing this? Are you afraid of harm? I really think this should be talked about with your doctor. It is possible that their same sleep pattern as yours is a coincidence.

I have learnt something in my therapy called an Evidence Checklist. I myself obsess over things and question people's intentions (in my case I am constantly thinking I am being watched and criticized). I have had some success with this.

Make two columns side by side and list off EVIDENCE YOU ARE BEING STALKED and then list off EVIDENCE YOU ARE NOT BEING STALKED. Yes it will take work but for me it has really allowed me to cope with my own fears. I encourage you to try this. At worse it won't change anything but at best it will allow you to better manage your anxiety. One thing it WILL do is allow you to better make the decision on whether you should take action like making that move.

[Angelique67]

Originally Posted by kaynaya001

Are they pulling all these kinds of strange.. psychological games that are hard to explain? I have a feeling you're dealing with what I did, based on how vaguely you worded it. I know alll about dealing with this kind of thing you're going through. If you want to, pm me. I'll check this site soon.

Hi kaynaya. It's not my illness though. It's really happening. I didn't put the timeline of what they've been doing because I posted all that in a different forum here already. Sorry if my post seemed half baked. Thank you for your reply. I'll probably pm you after I have coffee. Yes, they are playing psychological games.

[Angelique67]

Originally Posted by rcat

What reasons do you have to think they are intentionally doing this? Are you afraid of harm? I really think this should be talked about with your doctor. It is possible that their same sleep pattern as yours is a coincidence.

I have learnt something in my therapy called an Evidence Checklist. I myself obsess over things and question people's intentions (in my case I am constantly thinking I am being watched and criticized). I have had some success with this.

Make two columns side by side and list off EVIDENCE YOU ARE BEING STALKED and then list off EVIDENCE YOU ARE NOT BEING STALKED. Yes it will take work but for me it has really allowed me to cope with my own fears. I encourage you to try this. At worse it won't change anything but at best it will allow you to better manage your anxiety. One thing it WILL do is allow you to better make the decision on whether you should take action like making that move.

Thank you, rcat. That's a good suggestion, thank you. I appreciate your reply.

[Angelique67]

Originally Posted by kaynaya001

Are they pulling all these kinds of strange.. psychological games that are hard to explain? I have a feeling you're dealing with what I did, based on how vaguely you worded it. I know alll about dealing with this kind of thing you're going through. If you want to, pm me. I'll check this site soon.

Pm sent. Thank you so much.

I read your previous posts about this and some of the things you said they did just didn't add up. Maybe it it's just your imagination or maybe it's a little bit of reality and and little bit paranoia/psychosis. But it doesn't matter. What matters is that it's a problem for you.
Is it possible for you to move? I don't think you'd need to move to another city. Moving is a huge PITA. Is it possible to get a friend that you trust to help you evaluate the situation?

[Angelique67]

Originally Posted by George H.

I read your previous posts about this and some of the things you said they did just didn't add up. Maybe it it's just your imagination or maybe it's a little bit of reality and and little bit paranoia/psychosis. But it doesn't matter. What matters is that it's a problem for you.
Is it possible for you to move? I don't think you'd need to move to another city. Moving is a huge PITA. Is it possible to get a friend that you trust to help you evaluate the situation?

Thank you, yes, and yes. But I can only move one time and I'm not sure yet where I want to be. I potentially want to move into seniors/disabled housing and I have no idea how long a wait there would be. Also, explore other options for moving sooner.

As far as some of what I think they're doing sounding unlikely, I agree, but this is a weird situation. I underestimated what they are capable of. At the same time, despite the higher dose of meds I'm taking now, I am getting so paranoid that I'm not sure what they were doing with that sanding sound on the walls. Only that there was the sound of sanding or sawing, and since then the woman downstairs triggers me from the places I heard the sanding/sawing sound, and she sounds louder than if she were just doing it from directly under where my bed is. But, these walls are nearly hollow, so it's possible he didn't make any holes in the walls at all. If she's standing right next to a wall, it could come through pretty loud even when she's being so quiet.

I don't know what that sanding/sawing sound was. I'm only guessing. All I'm sure of are the noises these three people are making because I have recordings of it.

Thanks again.

[divine1966]

Let your apartment manager know, they can check it out. I had neighbours making loud noises and management took care of it ( sporting equipment etc one couple exercised on bounce ball etc or playing music). If it is loud it could be easily stopped by management


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[Angelique67]

Originally Posted by divine1966

Let your apartment manager know, they can check it out. I had neighbours making loud noises and management took care of it ( sporting equipment etc one couple exercised on bounce ball etc or playing music). If it is loud it could be easily stopped by management


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Yes, thank you. I've been complaining to the landlord so much I'm afraid he'll evict me. He should have come down on their noise the first months they moved in. It shouldn't have gone on for five years and then devolve into this crazy war.

[healingme4me]

Originally Posted by Angelique67

Yes, thank you. I've been complaining to the landlord so much I'm afraid he'll evict me. He should have come down on their noise the first months they moved in. It shouldn't have gone on for five years and then devolve into this crazy war.

What was your landlords excuse for these noises?

My neighbors downstairs sometimes sound like a herd of elephants walking up the stairs, the doors close really hard here, so it would seem inconsiderate. I've three kids above them, only once did he ever knock. I admit it was actually an I give moment with my kids for me, they were wrestling each other and it so happened to be an earlier than usual bedtime for a 4am out the door to work. It wasn't lasting animosity or anything. They do sometimes play music loudly, but come to find out it's when the girlfriend is cleaning the place. I've been here almost two years. It's turned into a decent neighborliness.

Sorry to read that after five years it leaves you feeling forced to flee your home.

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[Angelique67]

Originally Posted by healingme4me

What was your landlords excuse for these noises?

My neighbors downstairs sometimes sound like a herd of elephants walking up the stairs, the doors close really hard here, so it would seem inconsiderate. I've three kids above them, only once did he ever knock. I admit it was actually an I give moment with my kids for me, they were wrestling each other and it so happened to be an earlier than usual bedtime for a 4am out the door to work. It wasn't lasting animosity or anything. They do sometimes play music loudly, but come to find out it's when the girlfriend is cleaning the place. I've been here almost two years. It's turned into a decent neighborliness.

Sorry to read that after five years it leaves you feeling forced to flee your home.

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Thank you. It all started with their loud music. It went on for 5 years, everyday they were home which is the vast majority of the time. I've complained to the landlord hundreds of times. But it all got incredibly scary on January 3 (first Saturday night after new years).

I've also had the galloping stampeding sound from upstairs and door slamming from downstairs. That didn't really bother me. It was the music because the bass was almost a solid presence surrounding me. I couldn't listen to my own music or watch TV or anything. Even with headphones it was there, driving me crazy. So I guess finally the landlord told them no more music (I'm guessing because I don't know) because suddenly their music was not playing anymore. And that's when this whole abusive thing started. I just keep hoping it will run out of steam a little more each day.

They may run out of steam or motivation but I wouldn't count on it. I hope you will explore your options. You may even find a place you like better, neighbors notwithstanding.
PS... to the other member: that exercise ball sound must have really been odd.

[divine1966]

I am very sensitive to noise. I think because I spend my work days at high school which as you can imagine noisy and then on some nights and weekends I work in a loud store lol so when I get home I need quiet. Or I lose my mind. I wouldn't stay in loud place.

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[healingme4me]

Where I live the noise ordinance law can be pretty serious. Overall, not too bad. A neighbor next door has gone through something with a girlfriend, but the drama is pretty tame.

I cannot fathom a constant noise like you're going through. Even my kids don't do much that goes to that length.

Have you met your neighbors before? I bake them a cake or something

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[Angelique67]

Originally Posted by healingme4me

Where I live the noise ordinance law can be pretty serious. Overall, not too bad. A neighbor next door has gone through something with a girlfriend, but the drama is pretty tame.

I cannot fathom a constant noise like you're going through. Even my kids don't do much that goes to that length.

Have you met your neighbors before? I bake them a cake or something

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Hi healing,

Thank you, for the ideas. He would ask if the music was too loud, id say yes, and he'd keep it the same volume. They moved in 5 years ago right before Halloween. He knocked on everyone's door to inform us he'd be throwing a party for his wife. Not to invite us or anything, just to let us know there was going to be a loud party. I never suspected the party would last five years.

Anyway, I had my own issues at the time. When I used to move into a new place I actually did buy cookies and things to give to my new neighbors. It was all just kind of nightmarish since about 2006, all the way throughout now, in different ways. Through 2006 to 2010, it was mostly my own head creating the nightmare but here was terrible due to the loud music, plus the things going on in my head.

[divine1966]

Tell me about that bounce ball!!!

What I did with neighbors who used exercise equipment is I wrote them a note very polite. Put under their door, i asked them to not per se stop using but not use it at night as I get up at 5am.

The way that exercise ball sound all day and night was if someone had loud sex in a squeaky bed, several hours day and night taking breaks in between . Took me long time to even figure out what that was ( one day they took it on the balcony and exercised there and I saw them from the back yard and recognize the noise!) They stopped.

But the ones with loud music I did call management

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[unaluna]

Originally Posted by divine1966

Tell me about that bounce ball!!!

What I did with neighbors who used exercise equipment is I wrote them a note very polite. Put under their door, i asked them to not per se stop using but not use it at night as I get up at 5am.

The way that exercise ball sound all day and night was if someone had loud sex in a squeaky bed, several hours day and night taking breaks in between . Took me long time to even figure out what that was ( one day they took it on the balcony and exercised there and I saw them from the back yard and recognize the noise!) They stopped.

But the ones with loud music I did call management

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I think we had the same neighbor! I complained to mgmt they were bouncing a ball - mgmt looked at me funny, like doesnt this old lady know what sex sounds like?! Im glad mine moved!

[divine1966]

Originally Posted by unaluna

I think we had the same neighbor! I complained to mgmt they were bouncing a ball - mgmt looked at me funny, like doesnt this old lady know what sex sounds like?! Im glad mine moved!

Too funny. Mine actually bounced a ball and I thought they had wild sex day and night lol these people were exercise fanatics . They ran yes inside apartment and etc etc

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[Takeshi]

Hello, Angelique67. How are things today with you and the noisy neighbor?

I don't think I'll be much of help, I can think of a few things to say but I don't trust myself that much. I'm a wimp. I once had this period where I was quite paranoid about the noise, any noise while I was spending time alone in my apartment. I didn't get the menacing bad intention from any of noise I was getting, the only advice/help that I could come up with is finding/using someone even remotely trustworthy for actual fact checking, would this be a bad idea in this situation? Angelique, your situation/feelings sounds as bad as it is, I hope you can turn things around for the better real soon.

ETA: I found one of your other ongoing thread about the issue you are having with the living situation, I guess I'll start reading about you there, no worries about me posting here.

[Angelique67]

Originally Posted by Takeshi

Hello, Angelique67. How are things today with you and the noisy neighbor?

I don't think I'll be much of help, I can think of a few things to say but I don't trust myself that much. I'm a wimp. I once had this period where I was quite paranoid about the noise, any noise while I was spending time alone in my apartment. I didn't get the menacing bad intention from any of noise I was getting, the only advice/help that I could come up with is finding/using someone even remotely trustworthy for actual fact checking, would this be a bad idea in this situation? Angelique, your situation/feelings sounds as bad as it is, I hope you can turn things around for the better real soon.

Thanks, Takeshi. Your suggestions are wise. The neighbors are actually completely quiet since they came back tonight. Id worry much less if they weren't. In fact, I think something terrible is going to happen to me between now and Tuesday.

[Takeshi]

Hi, I wanted to say a few more things after some thinking. One. Safe retreat. Just as an idea, when you face an enemy that you can't beat, when you feel that your best fight is futile, maybe this might help. Like I've seen in your old posts, I too feel that this place is where I end up dying or something, I don't see no way to move out, and not that comfortable, right now, it's not even affordable since I don't have any income. I haven't read anything about war strategies of the past, I'm saying that I can't tell you anything about the actual event's example, I'm pretty sure you know more and be able to tell me about it. Unless we do something about it, of course the living situation's not gonna change for the better. But lately, I'm seeing my life situation as, maybe I can't be stuck here forever, even though it's an almost impossible task to try to find myself a new place, if I have to... Just a little hope, a lot more probability than winning a lottery, it's not a luck, it has a lot to do with mind's will. I hope you get my meaning by now.

Two. This may have been suggested already, before thinking too hard about being forced out, of course you can try the useless mgmt of your apartment, and do you have another neighbor who might be getting the same noise you are getting? They too might have the same complaint as you do. Just a thought. Bring the cookies if you can and you might wanna ask them for help.

Like I said in my last post, I once had a really tough time, once on the balcony right outside, they were renovating the outer wall, as well as the repainting of the balcony, I was scared of everything, so I didn't move, I kept quiet. The painter was working, chatting on a cell phone right next to my window, and I didn't like that at all. Also I couldn't go out to get some air, public fear, is that what it's called? So here's an idea, no.3. When you do go out, can you try to charge some energy while you're out, so maybe you can keep a bit more stability in control when you are back home?

People can get mean, and you feel afraid for your own safety, I get that. You know them, those nasty neighbors more than anyone even if you see things as confused jumble at times. And you've mentioned the medication, maybe the treatment provider have an ear to listen to you, what I'm trying to say is that I hope you keep working on yourself like you've been doing all this time, anything and anyone could help to alleviate the weight of the thinking of the situation, don't be too hard on yourself, you can get through this.

I wish I could write more concisely but this is the best I can do. I hope some of my idea helps in some ways.

ETA: Additional tips? I'm not sure. Your post always sound smart, and I'm like too confident, sometimes I think that I can outsmart anyone, so NOW, not back then, I can think to myself that even if someone were intentionally try to scare me and threaten me, the worse it gets the better for me, so I can sue them, report them to the police, you get my point? Please try to stay safe and sound though.

[Angelique67]

Thank you so much, Takeshi. Those are good ideas and I like the last part, if they do more I can use it to report them.

[Angelique67]

It all got a lot worse since Sunday, but I was advised not to post anymore about it. Thank you to everyone who contributed advice, and good will.