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Old Nov 01, 2016, 12:53 PM
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I haven't read through all the replies yet so if any of this was already said, I'm sorry for getting here late.

here's what I see

1. A year is way too soon to know if this person is the one you want to be with the rest of your life, but I'm guessing you are thinking this or know this too.

2. His attitude on moving, regardless of whether half cocked or well thought out, it is clear he is not considering YOU in this which is really a bad start for a marriage. If, on top of that he seems to not know where he is going in life, that's just icing on the cake there. With regards to him not considering you and your values and thoughts, he has also made this clear in his ultimatum about kids. Kids are big subject and their upbringing has to be in agreement not choice by one parent. Unless you agree with him on how to raise them at that point, I don't think having children would be fair to them.

3. your thoughts on your fiancé, are clear in how you talk about him. he does not in my mind seem to be someone you're sure of spending your life with at all, there are too many warning flags. You state that he has misconceptions, his ideas are half cocked, and not realistic and these are not about things that are small but life changing choices. Marrying someone that clearly has differing ideas, values and plans is just asking for a life of pain.

A lot of things need to be worked out here and you're very mature in thinking that you should consider them. He may end up not even being someone that you want to spend your life with and at this point I don't think you can know either way for sure.
I only knew my h six months when we got engaged, then another nine months until we got married. All major issues were very compatible. I never could have seen our problem coming until that happened. It's not an issue of time.
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Old Nov 01, 2016, 01:34 PM
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I only knew my h six months when we got engaged, then another nine months until we got married. All major issues were very compatible. I never could have seen our problem coming until that happened. It's not an issue of time.
I think that yes, there are cases when people get married fast and it works out. There are also cases where people wiat and it doesn't work out. on top of that there are sometimes things that no matter how fast or slow you go, there is no way to know what is coming, like in your case.

but can you make a case against not waiting really in a more general sense? I still contend that in most cases taking more time to let things happen and to find things out about the other person it has a much higher chance of you marrying the right person whereas going too quickly risks missing many things that would take awhile to weed out.

In all of my responses, of course I am basing this on very little information and on experience and what I know. There will always be cases where there is an exception. I do think that my response was logical and a sound one but I understand that you may see it differently.
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Old Nov 01, 2016, 01:55 PM
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I don't disagree with you, S4, every scenario is possible. I'm just saying in the short time we dated, we discussed important things and were very compatible. The OP is more incompatible about important things.
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Old Nov 10, 2016, 12:08 PM
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Is it that your biological clock is motivating you to marry someone less than ideal just to try to have babies? If so, I might even look into artificial insemination before hitching my wagon to a problem. You will have to deal with this man for the rest of your life when he is the father of your children.
Hi Tisha

It's not my biological clock motivating me. In fact, it seems like one of the issues drawing us apart is how we would raise our hypothetical children. My solution is to just not have children, but he "isn't sure if he wants kids or not". It's proving to be difficult to talk through things, when we aren't even sure if it would be problem.
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Old Nov 10, 2016, 12:19 PM
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I want to thank everyone again for their replies. You've all helped me think about this more clearly, and helped give me the bravery to talk things over with my fiance.

It's been good and bad. We figured some stuff out, like the job situation, and the moving situation. When it came to religion though, there was a total breakdown of communication. He finally decided that he would just move out because marriage obviously was not going to work, since we wouldn't be able to agree on how to raise our hypothetical children. And he doesn't even know if he wants kids!!

I said "look, if that's really what you want, then that sucks, but just let me know when you want to move out. I was really hoping that we could go to a counselor, and try to work through this, but if that's not what you want, then I'm not going to make you. If you don't want to try and work this out, then there's not much I can do about it".

After that we talked for a while more, and I finally made the concession that I would go to see the one counselor that lives 3 HOURS AWAY FROM US. Is that ridiculous, or what? But, I don't have anyone near us who I know of, and I know I will always wonder if I did everything I could to save it if I don't go.

So, the drama continues...
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Old Nov 10, 2016, 12:47 PM
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What is the attraction to the counselor who is three hours away?
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Old Nov 10, 2016, 01:34 PM
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I married at 16. My husband and I will be married for 41 years in January. Let me say this:

Opposites may attract, but likes stay together. I heard that once. I will also say that our successful and happy marriage has flourished because we allow each to have their own opinion, whether we agree or not. (We can agree to disagree...no fighting).

Think of it this way, 2 trees growing too closely side by side cannot both flourish and grow to their potential. If one is too close to the other, then the one in the shade is stunted while the other tree continues to grow. My husband and I have allowed each of us to grow strong and tall. Don't take the position of being the stunted tree that is overshadowed. You can disagree with each other, but each is still an individual. Be yourself, he should "allow" you to be, as you should allow him to be an individual also while you grow together.

As for communication, well, the old "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" can be so true! It takes a lot of work to communicate your feelings properly, and have them understood by your spouse as you intended. But I say the work has been so worth it for us.

I hope all works out. I understand that finding a good mate is very hard these days. If you two are in love, it will last through these currently trying times.
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Old Nov 10, 2016, 01:34 PM
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Counselor is a good way to figure out things for you both but keep in mind no therapist can make you agree on things like what is important to you vs what he finds important. As in, the religion thing (this is my perspective only) is a very difficult thing to be in disagreement about in a marriage, with or without children in mind. It can, of course, work, but I'm just putting it out there that this is a subject that can be a big deal within a committed relationship because it underscores our motivations for many other things in life. It's not something to take lightly. Mind you I am NOT saying give up, I'm just saying this is something very important to consider in moving ahead.
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Old Nov 11, 2016, 03:57 PM
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Bill,

The counselor who live 3 hours away is a Rabbi that he respects and has studied with.

I wanted to find someone closer to us, but he was not willing to. He actually said he was going to move out right before Thanksgiving since we weren't seeing eye to eye on religion. So I finally said fine, let's go see this guy. Maybe I can gain some insight into what is going on in his head anyway.

It's just kind of a last ditch effort. I don't expect it to work. There just seems to be an inflexibility there.

I'm mostly expecting to find out that if I'm not willing to convert, then his relationship with me isn't "sanctioned by god", or something like that. At least then I can let go with a clear conscience. If it wasn't for me pressing him on these issues now, then we would be married, and facing a divorce for the same exact issues later, and it would be much worse if children were involved.

This just sucks, but I've been through it before, so I'll just have to take the emotional beating and keep going.
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Old Nov 11, 2016, 04:02 PM
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Counselor is a good way to figure out things for you both but keep in mind no therapist can make you agree on things like what is important to you vs what he finds important. As in, the religion thing (this is my perspective only) is a very difficult thing to be in disagreement about in a marriage, with or without children in mind. It can, of course, work, but I'm just putting it out there that this is a subject that can be a big deal within a committed relationship because it underscores our motivations for many other things in life. It's not something to take lightly. Mind you I am NOT saying give up, I'm just saying this is something very important to consider in moving ahead.
You're correct, and I'm not taking it lightly. That's why I've pressed this point with him. This is why I'm no longer wearing the engagement ring. This is why I'm going to a therapist who lives 3 hours away. It's also why I wouldn't marry him 6 months ago like he wanted. I thought it was too big of an issue to just "get married now and try to work it out later".

I'm also not giving up yet, although I feel like I'm very close to it. We'll just have to see what the next few weeks bring.
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Old Nov 12, 2016, 08:01 AM
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Hi, and thanks for reading this!

I am supposed to be getting married in 2 months, and I just don't know if it's the right thing for us to do.

He really wants to get married, and has for a few months, but I feel like it's mostly because his family wants him to.

We've been together for a year now, and he is a really lovely and loyal person, and I love him for that. But he is always talking about wanting to move, and I have a business that is growing where we live now. I would lose everything if we just up and moved, just because he thinks it might be better somewhere else!

I get the feeling that he really doesn't know what he wants to be doing (except for getting married. That seems to be an absolute must). I mean, I understand wanting to be growing as a person and all that, but he just seems to have half cocked ideas about stuff. He doesn't know if he wants kids, but if we do have them, they have to be raised in a religious setting (I'm completely not religious, and he knows this). I don't want to have kids unless he gets a really good job (we both do freelance work right now, which works fine as long as there is no one that needs support).

He also has this idea that if we move to Europe, that everything would magically be better. Call me crazy, but I would only ever want to make a big move like that if one of us actually had a really good job lined up over there!

It just seems to me like we should have some of this stuff worked out before we tie the knot, so to speak. Otherwise, it seems like there would be trouble down the road.

What do you think? Am I just trying to avoid commitment (this is what he thinks), or are these valid points that should be worked out before marriage? I would really like to hear your take on it. I just feel so conflicted!
If you're not ready don't do it. This is how people end up divorced. You need to dit and think about what all of this really means to you. Marriage is a big deal. You may or may not be right for each other st this point. You also should think about sitting down and laying the cards on the table. I think if you two talk it out you'll be more sure of what you want
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Old Nov 14, 2016, 09:00 PM
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Last counselor I would choose is a religious leader. Too slanted, too indoctrinated, too one-sided regarding women and their role in a relationship. I speak from my personal experience only.
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Old Nov 15, 2016, 08:45 AM
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This is so discouraging. I've talked with him about it, but we get nowhere. Is this how most communication is?
No I can assure you it isn't, half baked ideas, and pressuring you to move at a point when your just getting stable sounds almost self destructive. It is possible for a man to be able to sit down and talk things through and build and plan something that would be beneficial to you both. That would offer a compromise, and I will be honest a wedding is a large financial drain that you might just end up resenting.

If he can give you good solid examples of his plans when you move, proof of waiting employment and an affordable home, then perhaps you would have something to discuss. Right now it sounds like, without any other focus in his life he is fixating on this marriage as his big accomplishment.
Trust your instincts, I think deep down you know if you were sure this wedding was the thing to do you wouldn't need confirmation. I am not saying chuck it all in, although it sounds you may now be travelling seperate roads. Without some very serious soul searching I suspect you will wind up wishing you could turn back the clock.
All the best. I hope whatever happens things work out for the best.
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Old Nov 15, 2016, 10:08 AM
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Last counselor I would choose is a religious leader. Too slanted, too indoctrinated, too one-sided regarding women and their role in a relationship. I speak from my personal experience only.
This could easily be said from the perspective of a person who is religious about secular therapists. If one is not religious, I would say this makes perfect sense but just the same it does make sense to have a counselor with your beliefs in mind in general so it goes both ways.
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Old Nov 15, 2016, 12:35 PM
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Last counselor I would choose is a religious leader. Too slanted, too indoctrinated, too one-sided regarding women and their role in a relationship. I speak from my personal experience only.
Hi KarenSue

I feel the same way about you for religious leaders as counselors. My only hope is that since this counselor is in a gay marriage, maybe he's not quite so slanted in his views.

I also figured that if the person I want to marry is going to view our relationship as not being "respectful to god", and his Rabbi backs him up on that, it would be good for me to know this now, instead of later.

I'm trying not to lose all hope yet, but the hope is definitely steadily draining from me.
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