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Old Aug 19, 2023, 11:34 AM
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So true. And it is likely that given their relative circumstances, he filed taxes jointly without letting Jesyka know about it.

This is what H&R Block, which is a fairly authoritative source, says about it:

Married Filing Separately might benefit you if you have to use the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) on a joint return (Only true if only one spouse is liable on a separate return) because the spouse with the lower income can qualify for tax deductions only by filing a separate return.


None of these circumstances applied to Jesyka and her husband.
I have nothing to do with the filing st sll. He has an accountant but I can’t talk to him.

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Old Aug 19, 2023, 11:35 AM
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If they file jointly, she must put her signature down. You can’t file jointly without both spouses signing. But I think he’s so shady that who knows if he fakes and forges things
He is shady. I have never signed a single thing ever. Weird!
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Old Aug 19, 2023, 11:36 AM
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Might not be forging. Might just say “sign here”.
Nope, I don’t recall signing anything ever. Maybe I might have a long time ago? Idk.
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Old Aug 19, 2023, 11:37 AM
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Since that is how it is done, I assume that Jesyka's husband habitually forges her signature. And then this might be true outside of tax returns, too. On other important documents.

Now is really the time to find out what has been going on. Jesyka does not need the husband's signature to find out. This is what the IRS website says:

Copies of jointly filed tax returns may be furnished to either spouse. Only one signature is required. Sign Form 4506 exactly as your name appeared on the original return.

And this is the form: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4506.pdf

@jesyka
do you know your husband's social security number?

On line 5 of the form, I suggest you put someone else's address so that your husband would not interfere with your mail. Do you have someone who can receive the mail from the IRS for you, give you the mailings, and not tell your husband?
Yes, my good friend would help me if I asked her to.
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Old Aug 19, 2023, 11:42 AM
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Please do. Request copies of tax returns as far back as possible. You need to start learning what has been going on. I hope you know your husband's social.
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Old Aug 19, 2023, 10:42 PM
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Please do. Request copies of tax returns as far back as possible. You need to start learning what has been going on. I hope you know your husband's social.
OK. The IRS will send me copies even if I don’t know his s.s #?
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Old Aug 19, 2023, 11:29 PM
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OK. The IRS will send me copies even if I don’t know his s.s #?
Unfortunately, no, not without his social security number. You need that. It is required on the form (I posted the link to the form earlier in this thread). Usually, spouses know each other's SSN. He clearly knows yours and uses it on the returns he files with the IRS. It is a problem if you do not know his number.

Maybe other posters have ideas how you can learn his SSN. There was a law passed some years ago which requires truncation of SSNs on forms that get mailed. So even if you look around in his mail, say from the social security administration, you won't see the entire 9 digit number. I am out of ideas.
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 04:09 AM
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Where are your SS cards? Go look for the actual card? In document files or where do you keep documents? Honestly I don’t remember my husband’s SS number. Every time we needed each other SS for something we just ask each other or if the person isn’t available go look in a document files.
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 04:21 AM
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Jesyka, I wonder if he’s filing as “married filing separately” and since you don’t work you just never file? Do you have any proof that he files “jointly”?
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 01:26 PM
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Unfortunately, no, not without his social security number. You need that. It is required on the form (I posted the link to the form earlier in this thread). Usually, spouses know each other's SSN. He clearly knows yours and uses it on the returns he files with the IRS. It is a problem if you do not know his number.

Maybe other posters have ideas how you can learn his SSN. There was a law passed some years ago which requires truncation of SSNs on forms that get mailed. So even if you look around in his mail, say from the social security administration, you won't see the entire 9 digit number. I am out of ideas.
Thanks for the info. I can get it onve the IRS sends us another letter. I’ll look things up then.
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 01:27 PM
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Where are your SS cards? Go look for the actual card? In document files or where do you keep documents? Honestly I don’t remember my husband’s SS number. Every time we needed each other SS for something we just ask each other or if the person isn’t available go look in a document files.
Idk. He hides everything. I can’t ask him for that as he’ll refuse to give it to me. I have mine hidden in a safe spot.
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 01:30 PM
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Jesyka, I wonder if he’s filing as “married filing separately” and since you don’t work you just never file? Do you have any proof that he files “jointly”?
Idk. He doesn’t tell me anything, I have never filed anything. Him & his account do everything. I’m not involved in anything at all.
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 01:31 PM
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I thought somewhere, on one of these threads, I saw Jesyka say that she had nothing to do at all with the IRS submissions. But I won't be able to find it. I might have been mistaken.
That’s true. I don’t have anything yo do with taxes or anything financial at all like paying any bills. He does everything. He won’t tell me anything most of the time too.
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 01:44 PM
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It will be grounds for divorce for me if my husband hid things. You have rights to demand to know his SS# or any other info.

My sister in law isn’t involved in any billings or financial dealings and she only ever worked occasional part time jobs, if any. That’s just how their marriage works and it’s fine, not that unusual. My brother isn’t a jerk though and .I am sure he’s not hiding anything, there’s nothing shady.

Regardless if you work or not, if you are legally married you have rights to know things. I know other families where one spouse doesn’t work but it doesn’t mean they are kept in the dark.

I’d also demand to know if there are any retirement savings. What’s he planning on both of you living on in old age? You have rights of information
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 01:51 PM
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My SS card is in a safety deposit box at a Wells Fargo bank branch. Jesyka's husband's SS card can easily be in a safety deposit box, too, and she would not even know about the existence/location of that box, much less have a key.

With retirement savings, yes, most definitely, @jesyka should know about them and how much money is in them. What you are suggesting @divine1966 would change the dynamic of the marriage, establish @jesyka's valid claim as an equal member of the couple union. Maybe the student therapist can help guide in doing that.
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 02:06 PM
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My SS card is in a safety deposit box at a Wells Fargo bank branch. Jesyka's husband's SS card can easily be in a safety deposit box, too, and she would not even know about the existence/location of that box, much less have a key.

With retirement savings, yes, most definitely, @jesyka should know about them and how much money is in them. What you are suggesting @divine1966 would change the dynamic of the marriage, establish @jesyka's valid claim as an equal member of the couple union. Maybe the student therapist can help guide in doing that.
At some point she might have to STOP being too nice and being scared of him. Good idea about asking a therapist.

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Old Aug 20, 2023, 04:03 PM
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Re married filing separately, I doubt that the husband would so easily forego using Jesyka's exemption on a joint return. But of course we cannot tell what he is doing in reality.
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 04:04 PM
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At some point she might have to start being too nice and being scared of him. Good idea about asking a therapist.
I think this is autocomplete. I think you meant to say stop, not start.
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 04:19 PM
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Re married filing separately, I doubt that the husband would so easily forego using Jesyka's exemption on a joint return. But of course we cannot tell what he is doing in reality.
That’s true. I am out of ideas with this situation
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 04:20 PM
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I think this is autocomplete. I think you meant to say stop, not start.
Hahah where is Unaluna? She will think I am insane
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 08:15 PM
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It will be grounds for divorce for me if my husband hid things. You have rights to demand to know his SS# or any other info.

My sister in law isn’t involved in any billings or financial dealings and she only ever worked occasional part time jobs, if any. That’s just how their marriage works and it’s fine, not that unusual. My brother isn’t a jerk though and .I am sure he’s not hiding anything, there’s nothing shady.

Regardless if you work or not, if you are legally married you have rights to know things. I know other families where one spouse doesn’t work but it doesn’t mean they are kept in the dark.

I’d also demand to know if there are any retirement savings. What’s he planning on both of you living on in old age? You have rights of information
He has no savings. I asked him & he told me that. I do have a right to know these things. I’ll need to figure out a way to get him to share things with me.
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 08:17 PM
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My SS card is in a safety deposit box at a Wells Fargo bank branch. Jesyka's husband's SS card can easily be in a safety deposit box, too, and she would not even know about the existence/location of that box, much less have a key.

With retirement savings, yes, most definitely, @jesyka should know about them and how much money is in them. What you are suggesting @divine1966 would change the dynamic of the marriage, establish @jesyka's valid claim as an equal member of the couple union. Maybe the student therapist can help guide in doing that.
I think my student therapist will be available in a month from now. Hopefully I’ll be able to get a good one to help me out with things.
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 08:18 PM
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At some point she might have to STOP being too nice and being scared of him. Good idea about asking a therapist.
I have tried everything. He is very stubborn & controlling.
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Old Aug 20, 2023, 08:44 PM
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He has no savings. I asked him & he told me that. I do have a right to know these things. I’ll need to figure out a way to get him to share things with me.
How old is he? At some point you two won’t be able to work so are you two planning to just live on his SS as you will have none? It’s not doable. What are his plans? Is he waiting for inheritance?
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How old is he? At some point you two won’t be able to work so are you two planning to just live on his SS as you will have none? It’s not doable. What are his plans? Is he waiting for inheritance?
He’s 60. Idk. He didn’t tell me what he intends to do. He’ll probably keep working until he literally can’t anymore.

Idk about his SS, but mine will only be $300 a month.

Imjust started looking for work. I hardly qualify for much, but I did find a job to where I can go walking with an elderly person 3-5 times a week for $20 an hour.

That and two f/t positions with benefits. One is for a cafe & the other is for a grocery store.

I’m applying to both jobs today. I already contacted the person for the walker job.
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