[Sometimes psychotic]

Have you guys been following this case?

Parents lose custody of teen after seeking 2nd medical opinion; girl indefinitely detained in psych ward | Police State USA

Father So Heartbroken About Daughter Held at Hospital Against His Will He Just Defied a Judge?s Order to Talk to Us: ?I Want to Have All My Guns Blazing? | TheBlaze.com

This has been going on for a while but this girl was being treated by one hospital for a rare and controversial disorder (mitochondial disease) at Tufts but went into another hospital and was dxed with a psych condition instead---its basically a conversion disorder so they are in essence saying she is faking her illness and needs to be treated so she realizes she's not really sick. Right now she's at a neutral facility where is is receiving neither medical or psych treatment and is allowed very limited contact with her parents. I admit I don't know much about mitochondrial disease but Tufts is a well respected institute and a lot of diseases like chronic fatigue were considered "fake" for a long time but one of the overriding factors in this case is the pdocs are arguing that by getting treatment for their daughter they are actually causing her to feign illness. So they were keeping her from seeing her parents at all and while in the psych ward she was actually getting worse essentially because she had an untreated illness. So basically imagine you had diabetes or something and they kept away your insulin because they thought you were faking it and then went on to lock you away for months so you couldn't possibly get any treatment. That's basically what's happening here and frankly its chilling that anyone could have the power to keep you from life sustaining medicine. Clearly psychiatry has too much power when something like this can happen based on opinion when there is clear medical data suggesting she has a physical illness. There seems to be in the law a sense that all pdocs are good caring individuals and that they have a persons best interest at heart but I think they are a much more varied lot and clearly opinions vary from person to person on diagnosis so how valid is any of it. I can only imagine back in the day a doctor stating that someone refusing the leeches for their child was promoting their death---while the drugs prescribed by pdocs are pretty well understood, the "illnesses" that pdocs treat have no such standardization leaving it a matter of opinion and not of much more value than the common leech.

It's absolutely terrifying that pdocs have so much power! :/

*Willow*

[marmaduke]

Its hard to say without all the facts.

a lot of diseases like chronic fatigue were considered "fake" for a long time but one of the overriding factors in this case is the pdocs are arguing that by getting treatment for their daughter they are actually causing her to feign illness. So they were keeping her from seeing her parents at all

I dont think chronic fatigue is fake, but some diseases are exasperated/caused by environment. Like my eczema that I'd had since childhood cleared up when I got away from an abusive 'husband'.
Perhaps the docs believe her parents are dysfunctional.
Narcissistic parents can destroy thier own children under the guise of 'We only want the best for you'.

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by marmaduke

Its hard to say without all the facts. I dont think chronic fatigue is fake, but some diseases are exasperated/caused by environment. Like my eczema that I'd had since childhood cleared up when I got away from an abusive 'husband'.
Perhaps the docs believe her parents are dysfunctional.
Narcissistic parents can destroy thier own children under the guise of 'We only want the best for you'.

I admit that we don't have all the facts but the issue here would be lets say docs decided your eczema was in fact due to a psych condition rather than giving you something to treat it they actually put you in a more stressful environment of the psych ward and expected you to get better while thinking happy thoughts all the while preventing access from your family. I'm not sure if you've been in a psych ward but they are not all conducive to healing...before being in one I figured it wouldn't be that different from being in the normal hospital but they are a whole 'nother animal entirely---I left sicker than when I went in. Had I stayed until they "fixed" me I doubt I would even be working today---the whole inpatient system is geared toward promoting failure and most people get out by lying. I wasn't even allowed to look out the window because they said it was self-harm...I didn't even have suicidal ideation but because they decided it was a bad thing I couldn't do it.

[newtus]

i had to get out of most of mine by lying

[Zaria]

Originally Posted by WeepingWillow23

It's absolutely terrifying that pdocs have so much power! :/

*Willow*

Yes it is!

[pink&grey]

You know what's funny? The only place I've seen anyone get this piece of the story is here. Most forums or news sites talk about just the illegality, but none talk about the fact that if she has a mental disorder this **** is far beyond harmful to her.

Last May I called 911 because I thought I was dying and was unable to speak. Fast forward a few days and a cardiologist and neurologist determined I had acute onset conversion disorder. They treated me by telling me it was psychological/neurological and my pDoc prescribed 3 days of Klonopin and zero stress. I recovered. But if I had been ripped from my support system and put inpatient...well, I'd probably have completely off the edge and still be there. This poor girl.

[costello]

A disturbing story. It's hard to know for sure what's going on. I'm so grateful I don't have minor children anymore. I've noticed this trend to assume parents are all abusive monsters. I've seen it in the comments sections on newspaper websites. I remember one commenter suggesting that parents who accidently leave their infants in cars on hot days (and the infant dies) need to be imprisoned otherwise other parents will think they can get away with it and do the same to their kids. WTF! How many parents does she think wish to do away with their infants? (I joked that by the time the kids are old enough to be truly annoying, they're also old enough to open the car door and get out. ) IMO most parents are flawed but basically well-intended.

I tend to think the family is the victim here, but it is possible the hospital is right and the girl needs to be protected from them. It's likely we don't have all the information, and the hospital has to respect confidentiality rules whereas the parents don't. So the story isn't going to be completely even.

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by costello

A disturbing story. It's hard to know for sure what's going on. I'm so grateful I don't have minor children anymore. I've noticed this trend to assume parents are all abusive monsters. I've seen it in the comments sections on newspaper websites. I remember one commenter suggesting that parents who accidently leave their infants in cars on hot days (and the infant dies) need to be imprisoned otherwise other parents will think they can get away with it and do the same to their kids. WTF! How many parents does she think wish to do away with their infants? (I joked that by the time the kids are old enough to be truly annoying, they're also old enough to open the car door and get out. ) IMO most parents are flawed but basically well-intended.

I tend to think the family is the victim here, but it is possible the hospital is right and the girl needs to be protected from them. It's likely we don't have all the information, and the hospital has to respect confidentiality rules whereas the parents don't. So the story isn't going to be completely even.

It is complicated but it's not like the parents are just doing this one their own they had two docs from tufts testify on their behalf so it's literally a battle between pdocs and normal docs...that's what makes it so bizarre I mean there certainly are cases of parents abusing their kids but apparently there are actual chemical tests for the physical findings it's just the disease is not well accepted.

[emeraldstars]

As a teen I was placed in a long term mental ward where you couldn't have visitors of any kind for several weeks and I think a certain level. It gave you time to adjust to where you were and the schedule. Plus some people were extremely stressed over family situations so maybe she said something to indicate that. I guess at this point they are merely observing behavior with the medical team and others on the ward. It was just a thought is all.

[Sometimes psychotic]

Originally Posted by emeraldstars

As a teen I was placed in a long term mental ward where you couldn't have visitors of any kind for several weeks and I think a certain level. It gave you time to adjust to where you were and the schedule. Plus some people were extremely stressed over family situations so maybe she said something to indicate that. I guess at this point they are merely observing behavior with the medical team and others on the ward. It was just a thought is all.

This is true I have not heard at all what the girl is saying just her parents interpretation of it so you know it's hard to know...

[Sometimes psychotic]

Just and update---she is going home to be with her parents...the courts decided against the pdocs----and hey it only took 15 months of her life....
Justina Pelletier Leaves Facility For Family Home In West Hartford - Courant.com

That is rather chilling

[The_little_didgee]

Stories like this don't surprise me. There are so many of us who have been misdiagnosed and left traumatized, all because psychiatry cannot admit they don't have the answers. Patients are to blame when they have no clue what the hell is going on. Once your physical symptoms have been declared psychosomatic, it is hard to regain your credibility.

Psychiatry tried to tell me my severe lactose intolerance was due to irritable bowel syndrome, that it was psychosomatic, even though I have dealt with the problem since childhood. Come on. The problem was fixed with Lactaid and lactose free milk.

Psychiatry is just one perspective. Physical symptoms that cannot be explained by medicine is all in the mind. The profession is so black and white. Interesting how they accuse people of being that way. They are just as guilty. Look at the DSM.