Some may find this offensive...

I suppose I should have read all the posts before I opened my mouth, huh?! But, now that I have I understand why you said that, sky! But I still stand by what I said, I don't see the word ***** as being such a bad word..not if you take it that way..I guess it is just how you percieve it and how the word is being said and of course who is saying it..lol..

What a terrific line of thought! I, for one, never thought of the word "*****" as one I would want to attach to myself, but I have a new appreciation of those who do. It is true that other words, such as "queer" and "wetback" have been proudly adopted.

There is, however, an accpeted definition of the difference between aggression and assertion that has not been stated. Assertion is not allowing another to infringe upon your rights or injure you; aggression is the act of hurting another, of limiting or restricting, interfering with their rights and/or well-being, wthether physical, emotional, or pschologically. Speaking for myself, I have been the victim of more than enough aggression, and I would never want to inlict that upon another. Nor do I make it my mission to enlighten them or win the argument, I just walk away.

IMHO , my name is Angie, the name has respect, my generation beleives in respecting each other, I'm neither a ***** nor a slut. No one else here deserves to belittle themselves with these words, not trying to offend, but this offends nice ppl like you all and me.

The term invokes negativity to most of society. It doesn't create any pleasing visual image either. IMO that others can relate to it doesn't surprise me. So much of what we think we feel about ourselves comes from how we were treated as children, and how we have become aware and reeducated ourselves to the truth.

I won't use the term. It's demeaning, whether you sense this or not, imo.

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I saw this on somebody's profile on another website and I thought you may appreciate it as I did....

B!TCHOLOGY?!? When I stand up for myself and my beliefs, they call me a b!tch. When I stand up for those I love, they call me a b!tch. When I speak my mind, think my own thoughts or do things my own way, they call me a b!tch. Being a b!tch means I won`t compromise what`s in my heart. It means I live my life MY way. It means I won`t allow anyone to step on me. When I refuse to tolerate injustice and speak against it, I am defined as a b!tch. The same thing happens when I take time for myself instead of being everyone`s maid, or when I act a little SELFish. It means I have the courage and strength to allow myself to be who I truly am and won`t become anyone else`s idea of what they think I "should" be. I am outspoken, opininated and determined. I want what I want and is nothing wrong with that! So try to stomp on me, try to douse my inner flame, try to squash every ounce of beauty I hold within me. You won`t succeed. And if that makes me a b!tch, so be it. I embrace the title and am proud to bear it. <~~ Author Unknown

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Wow! That's awesome! Very empowering for us women. It's something my T would say, I'm sure.

Sometimes assertiveness can be misinterpreted as being a ***** especially in women. Our society has a stereotype of women being nice, pleasant and sweet. When we buck this stereotype we are sometimes seen as a *****.
I don't want to see myself as a *****. But, I do want to learn how to express my anger in a socially acceptable way that might help me to resolve it when it comes up. In other words, I would like to work on being more assertive. My T kind of likes the word assertive. She tells me to be assertive at work in asking for days off to talk to her.
I don't find it offensive if you proudly where the label as long as you are clear on the definition your using which you are. So, have a good time standing up for yourself. We all need to do that at times.

Excellent post!

I'm so glad I'm a *****, I'd rather be a *****, then a weak woman who allows people to walk all over her.

heheh Sounds like black and white thinking... there are OTHER choices you know?

Des, ya don't have to be *****y, I'm not and NO ONE walks all over me. I have respect and faith that gets me by
Angie

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oh no no, Sky.. I am HAPPY to say that!! ALWAYS have been..people always say being a ***** is a bad thing..I don't think like that..If being a ***** is being cofident and sticking up for yourself and your friends well then I AM ONE!! lol..don't be sorry!!

</div></font></blockquote><font class="post"> Alls I gotta say to that is AMEN!!!! No one should be able to tell you who your friends should be and how sorry they are for you for being friends with that person. To me that is a CONTROL FREAK! And ***** sounds much much better than that!

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Main Entry: 1*****
Pronunciation: 'bich
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English bicche, from Old English bicce
1 : the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals
2 a : a lewd or immoral woman b : a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman -- sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse
3 : something that is extremely difficult, objectionable, or unpleasant

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So I liken it to like the poor child who is developmentally challenged, that others call "retard." The child calls himself a retard, because he just doesn't realize it is a negative word, term. Certainly that wouldn't suggest that everyone should just go along with using that word, does it?

The '*****' word, as noted above, is a negative one, an abusive term. I hope all of you who are proud of it, will one day be able to think of yourself in a respectable manner.

But just like any other negative, abusive term used here at PC, I won't condone it. TC!

negative abusive terms begat negative abusive ppl

But did you ever notice *****es have more fun!!!

Fabulous post - I'm keeping that one!

I always tell people I am very in touch with my inner *****. I am not afraid to be assertive when I need to be. Some may interpret that as being a *****. *shrug* Tomato, to-mah-toe. Whatever! ;-)

RainbowFaerie

I'm big on the "sqeaky-wheel" theory. It usually works for me!

I am not afraid of being assertive, either. It actually surprises me, too, how my behaviour will modify to the circumstance I am in, too. (Such as the ability to speak calmly and with clarity in a business situation or when I am getting chastised for some idiot thing I've done (I can handle that with great decorum), but I am a total freak when it comes to discussing things with my boyfriend, or family).

Huh. Maybe I have more control than I thought...

Oh crap, now I'll have to start to behave.

I have failed to find the definitive research regarding someone with such a negative projection of their inner thoughts to have more fun...more fun THAN WHOM?

I'm not quite following what you are saying. Is this connected to a specific post?

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I'm big on the "sqeaky-wheel" theory. It usually works for me!

I am not afraid of being assertive, either. It actually surprises me, too, how my behaviour will modify to the circumstance I am in, too. (Such as the ability to speak calmly and with clarity in a business situation or when I am getting chastised for some idiot thing I've done (I can handle that with great decorum), but I am a total freak when it comes to discussing things with my boyfriend, or family).

Huh. Maybe I have more control than I thought...

Oh crap, now I'll have to start to behave.


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LOL, you sound like me.

RainbowFaerie

I read that the term "*****" is not a cuss word in the ancient history goddess world. Lilitih was happy to be one. It was not until when patriacy took the toll and matriarchy got put into the background that the phrase was to become derogotory.

Please read it for yourself. Lilith was interesting.

http://imctwo.csuhayward.edu/apmj/anderson.html

It's paragraph 9 that is interesting as well, but the whole article is enlightening

Some stories about Lilith that will explain reclaiming our power as females and not equating guilt with feminity and shame with feminity. Read more here.

http://books.google.com/books?id=nXl...VuTmCkWbf71IY8

"Independant life loving justice" a quote from it.

Some stories about Lilith that will explain reclaiming our power as females and not equating guilt with feminity and shame with feminity. Read more here.

http://books.google.com/books?id=nXl...VuTmCkWbf71IY8
Reading especially page 41 of the book helps us to see how women have stopped doing things they need to do for great advancement , just read more than the introduction . There are about 50 pages past the intro which has a blank page and misleads readers to think there isn't more reading ahead in her book, so if you have the couriousity, read as much as you can, if you have some time. It is about 60 pages yet very knowlegable and educated.

To see how the patriarcial system has dirtied females and equated them in derogorotoy ways you can read more histroy of why it happened. Go to
http://www.ninedeadlyvenoms.com/answers.htm to get a concise view of why "*****" is now so "wrong," but wasn't long ago.

go to amazon for reviews on one of the above books that are nice illustrations about "*****es."
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cus...55&amp;s=books