[Rhapsody]

You know it really does dumb found me how so many men (not all) can find such torturous acts of sex exciting..... why? - and then this world per-trades these moments in movies and on the pages of adult magazines / sites for personal entertainment.

Can someone please help ME to truly understand this sick and nauseating phenomena in some men? - I ask in men for we do not usually hear of females doing such horror to other people for sexual pleasure and because I have been abused by men (4 of them) and not by a female.

Please stay with ME on this one and do not go off track on me..... I need to understand from my side of the fence, from where I was abused - how - and by whom.

Thanks...
LoVe,
Rhapsody -

[Rhapsody]

What I mean by "Perverted Sexual Abuse" - is:
BSDM, torture, large object insertion, cutting, medical sex, bestiality, stool, three some, peeing, gang rape, and what ever else they or he thinks up for pleasure..... sick!

HOW? (and) WHY? -
...where has humanity gone? - is it lost forever?

[jennie]

They allow themselves to become/remain desensitized to the more healthy forms of pleasure. Repeated overstimulation numbs the senses and either you need a break to recoup to regain pleasure or you keep agitating the senses which may cause pain. They keep agitating and pushing their senses to another level. They keep crossing and reestablishing boundaries of what they can or cannot do.

Their pleasure originates around control, violence, abuse, and/or conquering in taboo places. Eventually their experimentation crosses their treshold, and they get stuck (obsessive/complusive) in their hedonistic pursuits. (Not everyone gets stuck.)

I don't want to try to understand it any further. I like my boundaries! Maintaining healthy boundaries is my pursuit.

[Rhapsody]

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I don't want to try to understand it any further. I like my boundaries! Maintaining healthy boundaries is my pursuit.

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I agree, but when another human being takes away the boundary lines to another person - they wound and damage that person forever..... and they will NEVER to be the same again, no matter how hard they try.

LoVe,
Rhapsody -

[Rhapsody]

[(JD)]

First, I think there is a need in them that, once innocent, was not fulfilled (being loved as a child perhaps?)... now I don't know if their anger against their mom has anything to do with, and the way they later lash out at women... and I'm working on memory here not research statistics.. but whatever basis they have to begin with, society allowing the visual perversion to continue without hardly any barriers... they live in a world other than reality??? They know nothing else...or at least it doesn't give them any sensation?

In short, they become sick, truly mentally unwell, needing to seek and find this perversion. Not all who are abused (neglected) as children fail to thrive in a normal way... but there are plenty who don't imo.

[Evangelista]

i dunno..maybe its a sharing of the pain..as a child learning that to endure the pain you have to like switch it somehow into being pleasurable in order to survive it..and the abuse is not abuse but love..then they may go onto other relationships and only relate this way..not being beimg able to ednure it alone and in need of pain to feel love..they show it the only way they know by making someone/something feel as bad as they do they feel thay are showing love/pleasure and like...I believe one concept is Trauma Bonding, were in order to endure horrid abuse the victim bonds with the abuser and later goes onto seek those type of encounters to feel connected some how..

or it could be just that they are of the mindset to torture, and mutilate because there bored, and its entertainment ....or they seek to humilate as they have been humilated at some time in their lives..and the humilation empowers them, at least for a little while

This type of behavior has been documented since the begining of man..society has not changed..the only thing that has changed is the way society communicates..i.e cases which make headlines, or end up in the media somewhere..sorry Rhap..this stuff has been around since the first Thunder..only difference is..we are hearing about it more due to modern communication venues, including the Net...and survivor forums, personal blogs, etc

will it change, doubt it, man's toys have changed, but not man...

[JustAPixie]

There might be hundreds of reasons for their actions, but it is still vile and wrong! They are the ones who should be spending their life in therapy, not us!!!!!!

Could be in part they were trained to be that way by their abusers. look at those of us here that self unjure because we have memory pieces that contain self injury behaviour of when we were made to hurt ourselfs or others, there are also many here that through abuse were forced to sexually abuse others. why not BDSM acts too? Some people who have been abused may gravitate, crave, need and or get aroused by that kind of thing because they have been trained to do so.

[Evangelista]

In my opionion..there is not a pit deep enough for someone who follows whatever it is that drives them to commit these types of acts, I do not care about the their IQ, their abusive upbringing, etc..sorry..they should have sought help before they commit the acts not after they get caught....when they have harmed others..now if they have and the system screwed up and allowed them back out into society to hurt or worse others because of their perversions..shame on the system..both should be held accountable...just need a bigger pit..

[Rhapsody]

[Evangelista]

((Rhapsody))...my ex was into internet porn, did not find out about it toward the end of our marriage, but probably had gone on for years..some of the stuff I found on his computer by accident when I was getting ready to leave....OMG...its so accessible now days..its very sad...and very troubling..

I wish I could offer you hope and understanding becuase of what happened to you...I think "Why" is something allot of us ask at one time or another..trying to analyze it..maybe thinking it would help with the pain..I am so sorry ((Rhap))..

[Rhapsody]

What about those sick-o's that were never abused as a child, but that get involved in porn for this society accepts it as normal for men to do and then they come across the perverted type of porn and they watch it - view it so much that they know crave it and very soon act on it?

What about them and their victims..... what reason do we give for it them?

There will always be excuses for this behavior if we allow there to be.... but never a good enough reason for such evil and sickness - IMO!

[Rhapsody]

Thanks..... I am glad to have the people here on PC.

Sweet Rhapsody... your post has really struck a nerve with me.

I'm so so sorry for the hurt and violation you went through. My heart is with you.

I think there are as many shades of blue as there are reasons that some men abuse women. Some have been abused themselves as children, some are psycho-paths and some just lack empathy for females-- and also, society may help give some ideas.

I realize this sounds bad... but.... If there was just one place where men experienced abuse in some physical way(without pleasure) and were used, by women----- like we are at strip clubs and brothels--- I'm positive that they would then see how degrading it actually is to the human psyche.(not that I would want anyone to be abused and experience such things that many women have lived through for centuries... just that some men won't understand degradation unless there's a possibility that it could happen to them-- not every one is like that-- but some are)

Did you know there is documentation from around 3500 BC that shows-- women were highly valued-- they were land owners, they were worshiped, held high government postions and it was a deadly offense to rape a woman?

I think it's misguided that many females today have the idea in accepting porn as "men just being men". Those women are giving men the message that it's OK to see any woman as an object of their pleasure-- IMO. It just adds wood to the fire-- my opinion again of course.

Do you think that maybe if women-- as a whole group-- stop accepting it as "normal" or "not that bad" -- that it would get many men that don't understand, to think about how it feels for another person to be objectified/degraded? Maybe -- as a group, we are too silent?
Throughout history....... if the group being held down doesn't voice their discontent........ then there is no change.

GEE--- I sure hope you don't mind me on my soapbox! This subject really gets to me!!

For the record.... I DON"T hate men. I believe men have many very wonderful qualities and that it is possible that together, the two genders can make a truly great partnership. I love the idea of masculinity-- the power to protect fiercely and yet to love tenderly with empathy-- that's a REAL man. (my opinion again)

mandy (Rhap--I apologize if I was out-of-line anywhere or if you felt I was off-topic.)

To Rhapsody and all the REAL men--

[Rhapsody]

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Do you think that maybe if women-- as a whole group-- stop accepting it as "normal" or "not that bad" -- that it would get many men that don't understand, to think about how it feels for another person to be objectified/degraded? Maybe -- as a group, we are too silent?
Throughout history....... if the group being held down doesn't voice their discontent........ then there is no change.

GEE--- I sure hope you don't mind me on my soapbox! This subject really gets to me!!

For the record.... I DON"T hate men. I believe men have many very wonderful qualities and that it is possible that together, the two genders can make a truly great partnership. I love the idea of masculinity-- the power to protect fiercely and yet to love tenderly with empathy-- that's a REAL man. (my opinion again)

mandy (Rhap--I apologize if I was out-of-line anywhere or if you felt I was off-topic.)

To Rhapsody and all the REAL men--

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No - I personally do not think that it would help at this point and time.... I feel as though it will only get worse as time moves on, for our fallen society (men & women) have already set the way and ppl do not like to being told NO.

And YES - for the record I like MEN and their masculinity too.... it is their uncontrolled sexual fantasies and desires that I do not trust.


LoVe,
Rhapsody -

[JustAPixie]

That's for sure... the world is shaped in favour of the abusers nowadays, it's their playground and it has to be stopped!

[FaithisAlive]

BECAUSE THEY ARE MENTALLY ILL! I think thats the only reason it could be.. they are SICK... my own parents were like that.... my father peed in my mouth one time that I recall.. and he made me do it to him.... I was about 11 or 12 I think.He had to be sick, right?

[Rhapsody]

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BECAUSE THEY ARE MENTALLY ILL! I think thats the only reason it could be.. they are SICK... my own parents were like that.... my father peed in my mouth one time that I recall.. and he made me do it to him.... I was about 11 or 12 I think.He had to be sick, right?

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Hmm - that would be the easy way out.... so, NO from my POV.

LoVe,
Rhapsody - ((( hugs )))