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Old Jun 03, 2008, 02:20 PM
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So this kid comes up to me and says that he wants me to bring him some money tomorrow. I was only 11 yrs old, but I had these little jobs and a tiny business where I did make some money ... he wants it.

Pushes me to the ground. Stands me up. "You understand what I'm saying"

"How much do you need?"

"I don't need any, but I want all you have."

"I don't have any."

"You little b* ... I know you have money. Bring it."

"I don't ... " - kick between my legs, punch to the face when I bent over.

"You get some money somewhere and bring it to me tomorrow unless you want some more of the same."

The next day I arrived after school began and acted up in class so I would get detention - even at the hands of the teacher who treated me the way she did. And after school, I went out a different way and sneaked home through the woods.

The next day, same kind of thing, but bully boy caught me heading off for the woods after school. I tried to give him fifty cents, but he slapped it from my hand and then slapped me. Bloodied my nose. Said "You think you can sneak away from me and then get by with a measly fifty cents. Pretty boy, you'd better find some money by tomorrow."

In school the next day, I told the teacher who was abusing me about this kid. It was unbelievable ...

She said, "You'd better give him some money. Do you need to borrow some money? Of course, I'd want some interest when you repay it." I told her no. (Can you believe it?)

By that afternoon, bullyboy had two friends with him. They met me at the school door and took me into the woods. I tried again to give him the fifty cents - 2 quarters. And he took the money.

Then they stripped my clothes (except for my socks) and kicked me around some. To finish things off, two boys held me up while bullyboy kicked me between the legs again. Well, sort of, because of all the twisting I was doing, his kick hit my thigh and hip. Then they threw me to the dirt and went away laughing. Lucky for me, they did not take my clothes when they left.

I got dressed. Covered my cuts and scrapes from being hit and kicked. Went home to do my farm chores. Stayed in the barn and fields until dark. Refused to talk about my bruised face at dinner because I knew it would cause more punishment for "getting in a fight at school" and for "losing" the fifty cents, another whipping with the belt. More work added to my full load.

The teacher asked again the next day if I needed a loan. I think she was going to somehow use the loan against me. Why else would an adult act this way?

That bullyboy didn't demand money again. He often said, "you have anything for me." And when I just stood there with no answer, he'd laugh and say "I'll see you later." I did get a dollar that I kept with me just in case I was cornered again, but I never answered when he asked if I had money for him.

He didn't get the dollar.

What a wimp, that I couldn't find a way to tell someone else who would believe me about the bully or about the teacher.

What a wimp for even remembering such an event after all these years. I wonder whether I could find that guy today...just to ask for my fifty cents back, of course.
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Old Jun 03, 2008, 09:54 PM
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<font color="purple">Nah, you weren't a wimp, you were just a kid and surrounded by adults with a track record for being untrustworthy. When I was being bullied when I was younger (not to your extreemes but being bullied nonetheless) I pretty much refused to tell adult about it period because it always felt like they were either not paying enough attention to the problem or turning it back on me. If you touch the stove and get burned, then you wouldn't we a wimp for not touching it again. </font>
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Old Jun 05, 2008, 11:32 AM
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Exactly ... makes you wonder how many millions of kids are bullied every day and refuse to tell about it. Maybe PE class should include some karate or some of the self defense techniques. Maybe it would be good to simply counsel all students on how to report this stuff.

I guess in my case the reporting to teachers was unnecessary; they all knew about it, watched from the windows or across the yard. I guess they thought I deserved it. I do have some "minority" blood in my heritage. I was one of the most impoverished. I was a trouble maker in class. I did outrageous things to get attention and detention. All the teachers knew me as trouble maker and probably thought i deserved the bullying.

My parents only got the reports from the teachers on my outrageous behavior. I didn't do anything that hurt ppl or damaged property, but a lot of my actions demanded attention...all very mild by today's standards, but extreme for the time. Every time parents got a report of misbehavior, there was more punishment at home to go with whatever the teachers decided was appropriate. And all of this was at a time and in a territory where there were no boundaries, no legal ramifications of any kind. I guess if they didn't break any bones or kill you, it was all fair game.

You're right, Kaika... only touch the hot stove once!
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Old Jun 07, 2008, 07:33 AM
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You know, I could use just a little help today ... Over the weekend, I had this high anxiety and kind of a panic about all the posts. I've been putting a lot of this info on two sites, and I went to moderator on other site and asked to take down all of my threads. I would have done the same here, but ISP went out and I couldn't access internet.

So...the posts are still up, but I'm getting more and more nervous about it all the time. Is this common feeling? Should I delete them all? How can they be of value to anyone, even me?

Sorry about the whining ... just kind of need to talk it over.
I can still hardly believe that I've told anyone. Telling seems to have made a big difference for me, but the feeling of vulnerabilty is increasing.

I really do appreciate the feedback... very helpful. OK, so if it helped to post the comments, is it helpful to leave them up after I got the feedback....

So, if you have a comment from experience, I'd sure appreciate it.

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Old Jun 07, 2008, 08:36 AM
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Once I post something coming from my childhood I often want to delete it, and sometimes end up doing so- but deleting it doesn't help me, nor does it help anyone else.

This thread helps you, so try to leave it up. Everyone is supporting you. You are not whining either, you are a very brave and strong person. Leave this thread up, it will help you.

Safe hugs.
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Old Jun 12, 2008, 01:12 PM
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Does my silence over all those years cause me to go unheard now? Can the past terrors cause ppl to ignore what I say?

No matter how hard I try, people seem to ignore what I'm saying. If there is a group, ppl don't even pay any attention when I say something. If we're one on one, they just talk over my words. Sometimes when they start to talk over me, I get louder just to finish the sentence ... and they look at me like I'm stupid, and continue with what they are saying.

I'm sure the words are audible. It's not as though I'm imagining that I'm saying something. They just ignore my words and talk over me as though I weren't even there.

Maybe my silence for so many years eliminates the value of what I have to say.
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Old Jun 12, 2008, 08:04 PM
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Not at all Troy.....don't take the complete lack of good manners and common courtesy translate into you thinking it's your voice they don't want to hear.

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Old Jun 14, 2008, 05:33 PM
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you're doing a great job at starting talk here and on the other website... I'm sorry they ignore you in the group.
Maybe you can talk to the leader about that sometime?

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Old Jul 22, 2008, 08:12 AM
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Thank you for all the continued support. I over reacted to someone's comments and went away for awhile thinking I could handle all of this on my own ... mistake.

Being here was the thing that was giving me strength. I felt better, stronger, able to resist, so thought I could just walk away and handle everything.... wrong.

Salute to all who care for others here and understand.

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Old Oct 30, 2008, 08:11 AM
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Just heard of a kid who had been through terrible abuse at home. Seems like the "officials" knew about it but didn't do anything because it might be seen as politically incorrect.

Can you imagine? - Not protecting a child because you might have to put up with some heat as being politically incorrect.

We need quick, decisive action against the perpetrator, the social worker who knew, and the management who discouraged action...and I mean decisive!
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Old Oct 30, 2008, 11:35 AM
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Troy, I just read through this thread (your comments only), I am so sorry that this happened to you. I can just imagine how you felt everyday. No child should have to suffer like that. How could all of these people have their hands in this. Was there no love anywhere with these people?
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Old Oct 30, 2008, 12:33 PM
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I'm very sad and angry that things like this happens in life. I believe, those people are going to be punished for their sins.

(((((Troy)))))) You are gonna be all right. Follow your intelligence guide you, not the past that you lacked force to stand against.
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Old Oct 30, 2008, 08:00 PM
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Reminds you of a grade B movie, doesn't it ... or a grade C, where everyone who should know better was in on the plot. I suspect some other kids were also abused, but I didn't know it at the time.

The peers focused on me, and the teachers who were involved were either over the edge or just totally exasperated with my behavior (in trouble to survive). I probably would have told anyone who asked why I acted up all the time in school.

I think the worst of times was when I was once punished for something that I just did not do. Someone reported they had seen me doing this thing - and that was probably the person who actually did it. I was made to strip naked and was switched with several small tree limbs - known as switches of course. Red welts, stripes, cuts ... lasted for days. These things I remember.

Similarly, later on in life, I was drinking heavily. Perhaps someone advised me while I was drunk that I was drinking too much, but I don't remember a single time when anyone cared enough to point out that I was alcoholic, that my life was out of control. And for sure, no one asked why I was acting that way.

Years later, after I was wounded and in hospital recovery, someone was trying to control one of my drunken rages, trying to calm me down as I lay on the floor. I remember they did ask what was going on. Why did I go off like this? My answer was irrational to them, but I still think it explains it - "I'm so f*ed up because I'm so f*ed up." -- body parts missing, full blown PTSD, pretty much hopeless looking to others. The medical treatment was good, but there was no one on the emotional or psychiatric team for me. I think they didn't know what to do about all of that back then.

Ocasionally, I feel that desperation today, find myself illogically crying about things from the past, combat memories, wounded soldiers, dead teenagers, failures in combat that cost lives. Visiting folks here in PC is a huge help at those times. And it is only through PC that I was able to recall and express all of these childhood things that affect me even today.

Thanks to everyone who has listened, everyone who has commented. You might not realize your own value, but I certainly do.


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Troy, I just read through this thread (your comments only), I am so sorry that this happened to you. I can just imagine how you felt everyday. No child should have to suffer like that. How could all of these people have their hands in this. Was there no love anywhere with these people?
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You are NOT a wimp. You are an incredibly strong person for holding a secret that big since you were 10 years old. I'm really sorry you had to go through that. I know what it feels like to have no one you can turn to or trust to get help.

That woman is sick and belongs in prison. I believe in karma and one day she will get what is coming to her. When I read your post, I did not see a wimp. I saw a person who had to deal with a lot on his own, and hope that you can find peace one day.

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10 years old.

Before school, at recesses, and after school the bullies beat me severely and took off my clothes on the playground so they could spit all over me. Cuts, bruises, and black eyes were my normal look. Everyone knew it. The teachers sometimes watched from the windows.

After being in trouble in class one day I found out that acting up in class got detention for recess and lunch period, so I latched onto that as a way to save my life. Every day, the teacher kept me in detention, but she had to stay with me and occasionally would not keep me in. I could arrive late to avoid too much hassle before school, and I could run from the school at the end of the day. But it was important to get detention during the day.

Teacher became more and more frustrated. One day she took me to her office and locked the door and paddled me with a huge two handed paddle - holes in it the size of quarters. She was furious that I would not cry.

For a few days I wore cardboard in my jeans to protect myself, but when she discovered it she went berserk. Unbuckle your belt, she yelled, and she jerked the cardboard out. Whack. I still would not cry. Drop your jeans. Whack. No crying. Step out of your jeans and drop your underwear. Whack. No tears. I was bent over. I had my hands on my private parts for protection. Whack. Bleeding knuckles. Mover your hands, you little bas****.

An electric shock went through my whole body when she hit my testicles and I fell against her desk, but no tears. I was not going to let her win this fight.

As I fell against the desk I looked down. I saw the blood on the floor from my bleeding knuckles and then I saw the holes in my socks.

The holes were so embarrassing I did start to cry. Uncontrollably. I sat on the floor sobbing and covering my feet. Of course there were holes in my socks. The soles of my shoes were worn through. One sole was taped to the top so I wouldn't fall on the flapping leather sole. The only shoes I had and she made me take them off.

She sat in her chair and made me stand in front of her while she tried to get me to promise to be good in class. I would not talk. Then she tried to get me to say I would not tell anyone because I would get a belt whipping from my dad if he found out that I was bad in school (and she was right, it happened everyday my parents found out). I would not talk.

Then she said, it was all your fault, you know. And besides that you really liked it didn't you. I would not talk. She said, you know how I know you really liked it? I would not talk. She said, I can tell you really liked it because you have a hard on. Can you imagine. A little boy 10 years old. And she laughed. And put her arm around me and tried to hug me. I couldn't get away from her.

Someone was at the door so she made me get dressed quick. And remember your promise not to tell, or it will be worse next time.

We went back in the classroom with me wiping tears from my face. She started to teach and write on the board. All the kids were watching me. I made a huge spit ball, and when she turned I threw it at her face. All he kids laughed. They howled. And I laughed with them through the tears.

She wiped her face and said something like. Remember your promise.

The next day was almost the same, but when we returned to the classroom, I did not throw the last spitball. When we went to her office the third day, she locked the door and just looked at my belt buckle. I knew what she wanted and took off the jeans. And she only gave me one whack with that paddle with the holes in it. And then she sat in her chair with me half naked in front of her and she hugged me and told me all would be ok if I would behave in class. And she always looked at my little 10 year old penis and laughed. You really like this don't you.

I thought I had won the battle by not crying. But she won the war. She won the war. The tears and panic are uncontrollable as I remember this. Like that first day as I sat on her floor trying to hide the holes in my socks. Only now, the terror is accompanied by guilt and knowing that I could have avoided all of this, that it was my fault, and that I should have told someone.

When I read what others have been through, I feel like such a wimp. I feel stupid for letting this affect me all these years later. I feel that this teacher is somehow connected to the horrors of combat. And the guilt multiplies.

You can imagine that triggers for me today include socks with holes, paddles with holes drilled in them, the number 10, and the words she made me write over and over and over thousands of times, "I am sorry ..."

From this teacher I learned one thing. When you go into battle, make sure your socks have no holes. They can cover your body with whelts or shoot you full of holes, but you won't break down embarrassed about your poverty. She won the war. *tears

And there are plenty of tears for each of you who read this ... tears and anger against those who hurt you. I apologize for being such a wimp. Thank you to the couple people who have listened to me try to tell this in chats. I am so afraid of posting it in this public place. I'm no longer in control of this secret.

I will try to leave this post up if I can hit the submit button.
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Old Oct 31, 2008, 02:17 PM
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Ocasionally, I feel that desperation today, find myself illogically crying about things from the past,
There isn't any illogical crying. Emotions, and therefore, pain, has nothing to do with logic. Our feelings just are what they are, period.....
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Old Nov 02, 2008, 08:29 AM
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Thank you Sannah ... logically, i know there is not illogical crying, but emotionally it's all mixed up. I don't know whether the abuse back then can affect behavior today but it certainly affects emotions. layers and layers of ptsd makes it difficult to sort out and even understand why I feel the way I do at any given time.

Thanks for your understanding.
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Old Nov 02, 2008, 10:28 AM
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I can certainly understand how your emotions feel all mixed up. I actually put myself (or tried to) into your position as a child and how it would feel to always be on alert for the real danger that you experienced every day. No wonder you went into the military. You were trained from a young age for that experience of being on guard for the enemy 24/7.

Your upbringing affects your development. Childhood is for learning and shaping who you are. You are born not knowing anything. As a child you learn how to be emotionally healthy or unhealthy. You learn to problem solve or not. You learn to love who you are or hate who you are. You learn that you have power or you are at the mercy of others. You learn that you are in charge of your life or life just happens. You learn to deal with your feelings as they happen or just learn to stuff them (stuffing makes them all feel very out of control. Think of a barrel overflowing with feelings that have never been dealt with. If you learn how to deal with feelings as they occur there isn't any filling of a container.) You learn social skills or not, etc., etc., etc.

It is never too late to learn any of this either. Unloading all of these emotions would be a good place to start. Do you have a therapist?

You are very welcome Troy.....
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Almost all my posts now days are in combat PTSD forum. Kind of by accident I found these old posts and wanted to thank everyone for the support you gave me, for helping me find my way through these memories.

I guess it was good to read back through all of this as I am having to finally make a decision about asking for PTSD counseling. I don't think I have the courage to ask for therapy. I don't think I have the courage to deal with all that will come after I reveal what's going on inside.
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Old Oct 27, 2009, 11:28 AM
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Hi Troy! I think of you from time to time when I am here but I never go to the military PTSD forum anymore. I have narrowed down my focus here to just a handful of forums. I am glad to hear that you are thinking about seeking help, any kind of help. You start where you are at..........
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well done for keeping the post up!!!!
I'm so sorry this happened to you!!!

I wish one day i'll be brave enough to share my story!!!!

hugs to you and everyone who needs them!!!!!
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