[feary]

Has anyone done or heard of this? The Magic Pill by Ines?

You can look it up on you tube.

it is quite strange and seems like a complete scam but also not.

I don't know.

[ECHOES]

Marketing a magic pill or solution is directed at those who understandably wish for quick relief. There is no magic. We are much to complex and separate for magic to be possible. There is no pill for the thinking that creates fear. There may be a pill for the symptoms of fear, but that is different. Thoughts regenerate the fear and will continue to regenerate the fear until peace and acceptance begin to take root and diminish the power of the thought to create fear.

If it sounds too good to be true....

I don't get a clear idea of it from googling it. Do you have a good source?

[Perna]

You have to have a lot of money to waste:

Please make your Bid in USD and please put your Bid amount in the subject of the email. If accepted, I will do MP with you, and you and your life will be transformed according to the list you provide within few hours. Effortlessly on your side.

There are 2 ways how to get Magic Pill:
1. Standard Magic Pill.
Bid starts with 1000 USD and higher. Before and After Video Testimonials have to be provided. Since I do just a few sessions a month, there is a waiting list where I first do sessions with higher bidders.

2. Private Magic Pill.
Bid starts with 100 000 USD and higher. No testimonials have to be provided. No waiting. Full confidentiality.

Only the Bid amount determines how fast you will get the session. If I don't reply, it usually means that your bid is not within the probable range of getting the session, since I am booked for some time with the higher bidders. You can wait or you can increase your bid and send a new request.

From: http://magicpillnow.com/index.php?op...&id=2&Itemid=3

[lynn P.]

LOL -I thought it was a pill. I still don't get how much this course is and I think the success depends greatly on self motivation. Sounds similar to a 'life coach' maybe.

[Perna]

It's not a course and it's "instantaneous". You make a list of what you do want in your life and another of what you don't want in your life and Abracadabra! they "switch".

However, if you only bid $1,000+ you have to submit a video of before and after! Don't have to do that for $100,000. Too, if you only bid/have $1,000, there's a long waiting list

[lynn P.]

Originally Posted by Perna

It's not a course and it's "instantaneous". You make a list of what you do want in your life and another of what you don't want in your life and Abracadabra! they "switch".

However, if you only bid $1,000+ you have to submit a video of before and after! Don't have to do that for $100,000. Too, if you only bid/have $1,000, there's a long waiting list

LOL - that's sounds ridiculous and can't we make our own list. I still don't get much this costs.

[Perna]

You do make your own lists of each side; pay for the "magic" of them instantly coming true; what you don't want is instantly no longer in your life and what you do want, instantly is there.

He talks about how it's not a course, pill, and that he doesn't give you anything but I can't understand how his making it "happen" isn't giving you something, i.e., what the heck do we need him for? It sounds very "Emperor's New Clothes" to me; you give that kind of money, of course, you're going to say it works!

What I thought was really funny is you do the want/don't want two lists but you can also do a "sort of" list also of things you're not sure of to make sure you cover all bases and don't leave anything behind! Because, he only does it once and the switch only happens with what's on your list so don't forget any! One time deal!

[lynn P.]

LOL - I think we should all send him 'MAGIC MONEY'. Sadly there are people, who'll fall for this the same way they fall for fortune tellers I think.

[Perna]

It does seem very much like the junk emails we all receive promising stuff and the infomercials on TV, etc. that all work with the new viral thinking. I do wish they'd teach about this stuff more in schools than they do; I was old-school before computers and only got a single section in English on sales arguments/language that I remember, how to recognize "bait and switch" for example. Yes, recently in college I've taken a couple courses and had a few tangential teachings but nothing really "required" or that I see "most" people learning.

I still wish one had to have a course or test to get a website address or even an email account, to get "on" the web (or a cell phone use class like new drivers have to take a driving class!) but nothing like that will happen since it's all about money and buyer beware and not limiting people's access to "information". Even the different levels of the Internet/different Intranets that are happening now where there are gate keepers are just ignoring the problems rather than trying to help; they're like wealthy people hiring guards instead of spending some of their money making the whole community safer. Bill Gates, Carnegie, etc. are still best known for how they made their money and who they may have stepped on, not their philanthropy after they got bored or old/scared for their soul

[ECHOES]

feary,
Sorry this thread has deteriorated from your earnest question.

I do understand your wanting relief and how not knowing how to find that seems like there must be something magical about how others do find it, come to a place of acceptance.

I think it will come for you if you can be a bit more open to the possibility of it. Maybe change your stance from 'there is no hope' to 'there must be hope somewhere because others have found hope and learned to deal with these fears'. Take that openness to your therapy. It's hard but we must; closed doors can be inpenetrable.

If you like to read, there is a funny book titled "I Feel Bad About My Neck" by Nora Ephron. She is also a screenwriter and is known for "When Harry Met Sally", "Sleepless in Seattle" and "Julie & Julia" (she wrote with her sister). I really enjoyed the book and laughed out loud. Maybe it could give you a bit of relief too

[Perna]

Originally Posted by feary

it . . . seems like a complete scam but also not.

I don't know.

Feary, what do you like about what you heard/listened to/read? What could you use about what you like to help yourself?

[feary]

I feel no one understands really. And I cannot help myself anymore. So I need to be helped. I have tried everything ever suggested and worked so hard but I keep getting worse. I cannot try anymore because I feel like something bad is going to happen and I am in a state of severe anxiety every second and complete depression.

I can't believe I have to live every day with impending doom, sadness, missing my past and dreading aging and dying and not enjoying a single moment even with my children.

I function through my fears and do things even though I am terrified I may die if I do them for the past two years I have

but now the feeling has intensified greatly and I just have lost all hope now of feeling any peace ever

[Perna]

Originally Posted by feary

I can't believe I have to live every day with

But you do believe or you would fight the negative beliefs. They aren't solid. Laugh at the feeling that something bad is going to happen; it already has! Can't hurt you any further, your husband is gone and you're in a mess. You have to figure out how to take a figurative shower and do the laundry, how to clean up the mess around you so you are more comfortable again.

Agree with the fear/feeling that you are going to get old. You are! So what; you aren't old right this minute.

[Yoda]

If only I had $100,000...

[lynn P.]

If someone has a terminal disease, I understand the fear of death for some. I sometimes worry I might die early because I'm the only dependable person to care for my girls ...but it's a fleeting thought. If you accept we're all going to die and get old...this disarms the fear.

I joke that I want to live to 100+ and I don't care if I'm old. I take care of myself, so I can live a long time and attain my goal. I eat healthy and exercise. If you don't want to die early and minimize aging - I recommend reducing your stress. You've lived this long, so there's no reason to believe you're going to die. Worrying is not going to solve this problem, in fact it will make it worse.

Live in the moment, not in thoughts you might die and you're aging. We're all aging, stress makes it worse. Your children need you now. You only have so much control and let the rest go. Time to live and abandon the fear. I think you should challenge yourself for 1 day - wake up and pretend you're not worried about anything and go on with your day. You may live to 100 - do you want to spend that much time in fear??

[feary]

I do that every day

but the present moment is horrible every second

no one understands at all

[muncie]

"You only have so much control and let the rest go."

lynn p., you said a mouthful here. If only we could really live by these words, we would all be better off and live more peaceful lives.

[lynn P.]

Originally Posted by muncie

"You only have so much control and let the rest go."

lynn p., you said a mouthful here. If only we could really live by these words, we would all be better off and live more peaceful lives.

I hope I don't appear to optimistic or simplistic by saying the above statement. I just feel bad when I see a person worry over something they have minimal control over. Stress is so damaging to our bodies, so it defeats the purpose to worry about dying, when stress is a killer. Minimize the stress thereby improving the quality of life.

I also want to share I'm no stranger to anxiety, so I'm not talking from lack of experience or empathy. As a child I was plagued by panic attacks -this was a long time ago and I had no clue what was wrong with me. I never told my mom, so I suffered alone - scared not knowing what was wrong with me. Luckily my shyness and anxiety lessened and I learned coping techniques.

[Rhiannonsmoon]

There is magic, just no magic pill and this person should be stopped from doing what she is doing.

First saying "list is your responsibility" but then saying "we make the list together" then saying "but I'm not responsible for what is on the list you are".

I get a really bad feeling about this whole thing and I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Especially starting at $1000.00 and ofering upto $100,000.00 being told what to bid but then being told you're not buying something you are donating for a session in which 98% of the sesssion is the list consultation, so what happens in the other 2%?

((((((((feary)))))))) I agree with Echoes, please try to understand that people like this pray on people like you who are desperate to escape their suffering and will pay anything for a chance. The psychology used here is used very badly, and is obvious; it is "pay most wait the least" which pushes people with impulsive or compulsive issues into action, making them feel that as they wait the opportunity is slipping away from them. In truth it is just a chance at being ripped off that is slipping away....no loss.

I would not trust any video testamonials because it is possible even probable that she gets people to make the testamonials as soon as the "session" is over. And to be honest I've seen people in testamonials who I've also seen in detergent commercials and extras in tv shows. If you have $1000+ to spend dear feary spend it on therapy you will get much more from it. Because what this woman is doing is simply offering a life coach boost in attitude, and you get no money back when/if it doesn't work. At least with a therapist you have an ongoing deal. This person you probably couldn't trace her if you wanted to. I believe its a scam, but in the long run only you can decide,

Rhiannon

[muncie]

lynn p., on the contrary, your statement "we only have so much control and let the rest go" helped me and hopefully will help others as well. It's a good question to ask ourselves when faced with a situation we'd like to change but realize we're not able to. The answer may bring us down to reality and acceptance.

[lynn P.]

Thanks ((Muncie))

I know this is 'off topic' from the original post but I wanted to expand on what you said about acceptance. Regarding panic attacks - a turning point for sufferers of this problem is, 'acceptance'. When we're in the midst of panic, we're scared and we doing everything we can to run away from the feeling - then we spend time worrying and dreading the next panic attack. It becomes a vicious circle of 'fearing the panic' - the more we react, the more it fuels the fear.

The key is accepting what ever the panic can dish out - what's the worst that can happen...we know from experience that it's not going to kill us, even though it feel like it sometimes lol. I would even say - go ahead and feel(accept) the discomfort, take some deep breaths and realize " hey it's not so bad after all". This is the turning point, when the fear, no longer has CONTROL over you and YOU have control over the fear.

[Rhiannonsmoon]

((((Lynn))))

In theory you are 100% correct....

In practice it makes no difference whatsoever. The panic attacks I have, have blissfully lessened, but still when they do hit they hit with the force of hurricane Katrina and wipe me out competely.

I had a panic attack not too long ago (within last 12 months) which was triggered by pain from a frozen shoulder. No matter what I did or what I took the pain felt like it was eating away at me from the inside and would not abate at all. All of a sudden I had a panic attack. I was taken to hospital but because I am a mental health patient the doctor thought I only wanted drugs and he made it clear that he thought that way. Even the nurses treated me badly.

I've been too scared to complain about him because we live in such a small place, but he deserves a complaint and I deserve an apoogy,

Rhiannon

[lynn P.]

Rhiannonsmoon - I also have Frozen Shoulder - this is my second time. It the worst pain I've ever had. Yes I realize in theory what I said makes sense and may not work for some in IRL. It also depends on the extent of a persons mental health issues.

As I said before, I know the 'feeling' of a panic attack because I had them for many years. I'm sure there's certain circumstances where this method, may never work because their issues are too complicated. But there are some who experience tremendous relief when they realize they CAN control the fear, instead of it controlling them. This realization doesn't come instantly and I know it may never come for some.

[feary]

I had panic attacks in 2000 and that is how I conquered them then

This is all just too intense and severe though

I am completely hopeless