.....I know this world can be terrible...
and why go into that!

this thread has become (ironically)...the exact thing it's designed to deflect...and oppose

violence.!

"I know better how to fight than you"...

what a toss!

as usual...guys have gone beyond the point and gone all primeval.

it was meant to be about the girls...

and I'm not surprised I saw this malfunction in the protection process go oblique.

if you want to assist the ladies fella's...?

drop your freaking egos!

otherwise?... they will do it for you anyway...

and I kinda trust that better

[BlueInanna]

I appreciate it Dan and actually feel very cared for right now. Thanks

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[BlueInanna]

Dan's intentions are awesome though. But I see how this turning into a Chuck Norris marathon...

Originally Posted by BlueInanna

Dan's intentions are awesome though. But I see how this turning into a Chuck Norris marathon...

exactly...

and it completely defeats the purpose.

Dan wanted to assist the Ladies...with his expertise...and it was fine exactly the way it was ...just like if my girl (when I had one) was in trouble and I got run over by 16 trucks and was unable to do anything...then he could...!

thanks Dan...

but seriously....?...well I can be here.
all my girlfriends have been harmed in some way...
and this was before I met them.

but it's not a competition to see who can defend the best...cos if you look closely you just might find you're tryin' to prove something else...

and what does that mean?...huh?

well thats pretty obvious and then you become part of the problem!

[TheDragon]

Good intentions are nice and all, but for self defense, giving the wrong advice here could lead to something a lot worse than awwwww. Gaijin pointed out obvious flaws with the strike.

At the end of the day, if someone has any real interest in learning self defense, it's not going to come from the PC forums or online. It's something you need to do in person, at which point you'll learn the seriousness of combat and understand that good intentions, good ideas...none of that counts for squat.

[Gaijin]

How dare anyone even politely disagree on anything!

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Originally Posted by Gaijin

How dare anyone even politely disagree on anything!

are you kidding?

no-one can dis-agree?

...so even lies make sense?

Originally Posted by landskaperdan

Someone told me that the women on here would appreciate a self defense forum.

I have a long background in Thai kickboxing, Aikido and Shotokan Karate. Studied Street fighting too.

Men have three weaknesses... but only one of them is truly effective.

eyes, balls and adams apple.

eyes - it is doubtful that you can gouge both eyes. maybe one, but a man can still fight with one eye. his adrenaline will be surging and allow him to continue fighting.

balls - same thing. he can fight through the pain.

adams apple. this is the key. it takes very little pressure on the adams apple for a man of any size to choke when hit there.

if you are about to be attacked, and you can't run away, the worst thing you can do is reach out with any part of your body, say, to throw a punch. he will grab your arm or leg and immobilize you.

Pull your arms close to your body and turn sideways to the man. He will view this as a sign of helplessness. but really, this gives you room to act if and when he grabs you. he will grab by either the waist, shoulders or head.

let him close the gap. let him get right up on you. at this point, your adrenaline will be surging and you have to act. you want to twist your body towards him and use your ELBOW to get him right in the adams apple. this will take away his ability to breath for long enough for you to walk away lol. as a second line of defense, knees to the groin... but ALWAYS go for the adams apple first.

I really hope that no one needs to use this advice. but it will keep you safe in a rape situation or one that you will otherwise have bodily harm.

this can potentially be lethal, so use it wisely!

this is what this topic was...and is about...

offering advice to our gentler friends here...

...so that they could be advised in the ways best to avoid the worst of our species!

...hey I already know I'm worse than them...are you prepared to admit this also?

...if not...then just let it be what it's meant to be....
I objected to the way this thing was headed...but that's a man problem!

I changed my mind but it wasn't about the girls
read carefully men idiots!

"Womens self defense"

if you don't understand the need for this then take off!
sure maybe it's in an unusual place but don't turn it into a personal dumbass dickfight!

[TheDragon]

Bipolar forum, not women's only support. Last time I checked, the whole point of a forum was for input and discussion. In this case, Gaijin and I both seem to have some solid experience to go off of on, and this isn't something that should be casually tossed around.

Also, I know it's a forum with text, but you might want to learn what sarcasm is.

ah come on!

(theres my limited sacrasm experience)

hide behind the point!...thats convenient!

was I sarcastic?...and I was not....so what does that really mean?

there were motives outside the cause!

come on!...you guys are fooling around with macho business that goes beyond the purpose.......

there is no sarcasm there just reality man!

lets all bash the crap out of each other in the car park and see who is still standing...

'now thats sarcasm'....what moves worked for you worked for me worked for them?

does not help her

it's very subtle but I'm old enough and stupid enough to sense ego.

and now mine got involved so I'm just as dumb...

hows that for sarcasm

[Gaijin]

I can't figure out why dubblemonkey keeps trying to turn this interesting exchange into a dumbass dickfight.

Btw, most of what's being said about self-defense for women applies to anyone who's smaller, older, or weaker than their attacker.

as unappealing as my approach may seem ...

and despite my personal emotional investment in this matter...

I'm fine being the unlikeable...

I have witnessed talk about violence here that has concerned me as I would expect to hear from those who have not experienced it for real...and without detracting from the objective!...also!

...I guess what I want to say is that "men" are the problem ...in the world of domestic violence...."men" are the problem in the world of abuse...

men are the problem right here right now

are you man enough to admit you are part of the problem?

I'm not attacking your personality...I'm attacking your ego...

because all this "I know how to fight ********!"...is just that

rubbish...

women don't need our ego to defend themselves ..they need our respect!

you can ask questions gaijin if you like...but I don't expect you will like my answers

and thats ok

[TheDragon]

Ever seen an angry girl with a switchblade can do? If you want to bash men for the respect of the ladies, do so somewhere else.

Fact of the matter is, people with experience are disagreeing with the OP's approach towards the subject, for reasons beyond ego. Frankly, it's practical, and in a topic such as self defense, that's rather important.

This goes beyond men, women, whatever. People all around get jumped, for a variety of reasons. You jumped in making accusations, when people were trying to offer their experience on the matter, just because people were disagreeing.

Frankly, I'm sick of political correctness and "being nice" covering truth, practicality, and different opinions and ideas.

thinking about somethin better said

Originally Posted by TheDragon

Ever seen an angry girl with a switchblade can do? If you want to bash men for the respect of the ladies, do so somewhere else.

Fact of the matter is, people with experience are disagreeing with the OP's approach towards the subject, for reasons beyond ego. Frankly, it's practical, and in a topic such as self defense, that's rather important.

This goes beyond men, women, whatever. People all around get jumped, for a variety of reasons. You jumped in making accusations, when people were trying to offer their experience on the matter, just because people were disagreeing.

Frankly, I'm sick of political correctness and "being nice" covering truth, practicality, and different opinions and ideas.

ok ...so now what?

I could easily respond to you in detail but...no.

[manicminer]

Originally Posted by Gaijin

landskaperdan, I see some potential flaws in your self-defense method:

1. The throat is a small target, in a body crevice between the jaw and collar bone. Even if the strike is accurate, an elbow may be too wide to get through to the target.

2. In a conflict situation, there's a natural tendency to tilt the head down to protect the neck. Even more so it the attacker is taller than the victim and looking down at her.

Still, your method has possibilities in the right situation. I'd like to hear of any studies or even anecdotes about how well it works in real life.

My method is quicker, easier, and surer:

BANG! BANG! BANG!

Repeat until attacker is no longer a threat.

ahaha I like your style...

[Gaijin]

dubblemonkey, I don't understand your anger and personal attacks.

The OP offered a theory of self-defense. Why can't this theory be examined and tested? Graduate students must defend their theses, and people who write academic or scientific papers must do the same. What's at stake here is more important that degrees or credentials.

Why can't I ask questions and express reservations about the method advanced here, without being condemned for generic male violence against women? I've never used any sort of physical violence against women. Why do I deserve to be the target of your rants?

The OP's technique seems to have some merit, but I do have doubts that it can be used in many violent attacks in the real world. Perhaps he can answer my reservations and defend his thesis. But all you're doing is distract from the issue at hand.

I think I described everything quite clearly. Based on what was said to my friend James... I don't have anything more to say to any of you. You have your own opinions, and that is fine... but what's not fine is acting like your opinion is the only ones that not only matter but that are the only ones that are right. This is a support forum... you should be ashamed of yourselves!

Originally Posted by TheDragon

Ever seen an angry girl with a switchblade can do? If you want to bash men for the respect of the ladies, do so somewhere else.

Fact of the matter is, people with experience are disagreeing with the OP's approach towards the subject, for reasons beyond ego. Frankly, it's practical, and in a topic such as self defense, that's rather important.

This goes beyond men, women, whatever. People all around get jumped, for a variety of reasons. You jumped in making accusations, when people were trying to offer their experience on the matter, just because people were disagreeing.

Frankly, I'm sick of political correctness and "being nice" covering truth, practicality, and different opinions and ideas.

How dare you come onto these boards and talk to James that way!

[TheDragon]

Originally Posted by landskaperdan

I think I described everything quite clearly. Based on what was said to my friend James... I don't have anything more to say to any of you. You have your own opinions, and that is fine... but what's not fine is acting like your opinion is the only ones that not only matter but that are the only ones that are right. This is a support forum... you should be ashamed of yourselves!

I really don't think you appreciate the seriousness of the subject. We're not subjectively talking about what makes you feel better when you're sad, we're talking something that could potentially be life or death, with hard facts behind it. This is more than just opinions, and can very seriously help someone, or alternatively, get them hurt. I'm pretty sure that when people see advice that is potentially harmful around this site, they speak out against it.

Clearly my opinion is not the only one, and I never once said that mine are the only ones that are right. Support forum or not, I stand by what I said, and I think this is a classic case of people over reacting to people having different opinions. For some reason, people seem to flip out when not everyone agrees. As far as I'm concerned, Gaijin and I were on topic, and giving our input, which we're well within our right to do.

[Gaijin]

"This is a support forum... you should be ashamed of yourselves!"

The shame should be on the guy who introduced "freakin egos," "lies," and "personal dumbass dickfight" into an otherwise civil discussion.

[FooZe]

Sorry, folks, this thread has turned into an argument. I'm going to close it.