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I'm having one of those days where I'm just not really getting out of bed. Had to force myself to shower. I'm not depressed or anything, just tired I guess. Not in the mood to do much of anything. I'm going to a free community brunch tomorrow, so that will be nice.


Its okay to give yourself a day here and there to just “ be”

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fern and Wild Coyote, I very much appreciate both of your thoughts about potential "sharing" of a psychiatrist. Wild Coyote, you're quite kind to share all of the stories, which I'm sure bring you some pain, as well.


As I wrote, I am kind of reluctant to share my psychiatrist and was taken off guard when he suggested himself. That's why I proposed Dr. X as an option. However, I'm going to add another element to this by mentioning that Dr. X is my husband's psychiatrist! I felt/feel that there is enough distance between Dad and my husband that it wouldn't be that big of a deal for them to share. My husband only really sees his pdoc once every three months, and mostly to just get refills on his ADD and depression meds. And hubby is a very low controversy type of a guy, and very believable. He also has little "therapy time" with his pdoc (more med check), though Dr. X does offer therapy, too. At least I know hubby's pdoc enough to know that he, like my pdoc, has experience with addictions treatment, as well as mood disorders. Both my husband's and my pdoc were IOP pdoc's at the local IOP for years and hospital pdoc's as well. They now just have their private practices. I have once met my husband's pdoc and that pdoc knows I have bipolar disorder. The extent of that pdoc's interest in me is to simply ask hubby if I'm doing well (likely to know hubby's stress). He, like my pdoc, is an older man and very likable. I think my dad would like Dr. X, too. He's more my dad's type than mine would be. Plus, I think my pdoc would potentially have a leaning towards me. I have known my pdoc for almost 13 years.


Wild Coyote, out of curiosity, do you agree Dr. X might not be so problematic? I don't see my husband's pdoc as getting involved with any drama. My husband hasn't really been that depressed in years. I think he mostly just chats with his pdoc, whereas I do have much more significant conversations with my doctor, though I also have a therapist.


As a shocking aside, the last pdoc my dad had set him up on a blind date with one of his female patients. Can you believe that?!?


Ohhh okay I think I misunderstood and thought YOUR Pdoc would see your Dad. .. Doh !

So him seeing your husbands Pdoc might be okay.
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Old Oct 25, 2019, 05:54 PM
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Thanks for the positive comments, everyone!

Yes, it’s lithium I am on, 450 mg/day.

It was very bizarre; about 45 min to an hour after taking the first pill, my thoughts slowed down, and I could actually think about 1 thing at a time, prioritize my thinking, and not have 20 thoughts or fragments of thoughts in my head. Took time to build up to a more constant level, but I only started lithium October 3.

I will see the pdoc again on Halloween.

Feeling content, genuine happiness and love really is awesome! . I have been searching for the med cocktail for me over 20 years, minus my pregnancy, over 10 years since I got the bipolar diagnosis. (Though I hope to reduce some meds with the pdoc’s help in the future.).

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Old Oct 25, 2019, 05:56 PM
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I thought I was less tired today. Then I walked down the driveway to get the mail and I thought I was going to have to take a nap to get back home. My mom is away and we have a sick dog so I'm hanging out at her house to let the dog in and out. I napped until 1:45 after being up for a while in the morning but I can't get enough sleep. It's like I'm depressed but I don't feel depressed, just extremely tired. I'm also really cold which happens when I'm very tired.


I hope this ends soon. I cancelled my therapy appointment for yesterday because I was too tired to drive up and back.Monday I really need to go. I want to go to church Sunday but will have to decide later. I'm trying to not borrow trouble but I'm frustrated I can't do what I want to do.


Now I"m going to wrap up in a quilt.


Maybe after effects from your anesthesia?? Sees awful long tho. But... you have been feeling so sick for so long maybe your body is just demanding what it really needs and that’s sleep and lots of just good rest. ?!!
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Old Oct 25, 2019, 05:58 PM
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Rough couple of days. Lay down early the other morning to try to slow down, waiting for my pdoc to get into office and the voices started up again. Haven't heard them in awhile, so it was alarming. I'm paranoid and sort of low-grade psychotic a lot of the time, unfortunately, but this just didn't help. All my threat stuff started going and pretty soon, I was convinced the FBI was in my hallway, ready to kick in my door. Don't know what exactly that would be for, as I am a law-abiding person.


Anyway, no-one kicked in any doors and I talked to my doc and I am now on Abilify again, unfortunately. We stopped it before because I had some serious neuro side effects to it. But the doc basically considered this an emergency. Trying to keep me out of the hospital, where I have spent so much time over the last ten years that I am sure it is some kind of record. All for not going to the hospital, esp. since I am currently uninsured and have over a million dollars in psych hospital bills I currently cannot pay. Can't worry about that now. Just have to try to get better.


The other thing pdoc did was add some emergency sleep help, which for me was 400 mg of Seroquel. Don't like that drug, but nothing else will put me to sleep right now. So, I took it and I slept for 8 hours and woke up with the voices gone. So, that's good. We'll see where this all goes. Thanks to every body for your support. I really, really appreciate it.


It’s good that your being proactive !!! Hopefully adding Abilify and Seroquil for right now stomps this out and you won’t need fulltime.
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So, our power was shut off for a while due to high winds. Yesterday afternoon it was turned back on, but I've gotten a warning from the National Weather Service that we're going to have another red flag warning Saturday night through Monday midday. This means the electricity will likely be shut off to bracket the period of the wind storm. Thus I am here for a bit, but will be absent Sunday and Monday. Hopefully they'll have the power turned back on by Tuesday morning.


Oh goodness ! I hope the winds die down. I can’t imagine living with the threat of fires.

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Maybe after effects from your anesthesia?? Sees awful long tho. But... you have been feeling so sick for so long maybe your body is just demanding what it really needs and that’s sleep and lots of just good rest. ?!!
Yeah, I'm blaming the anesthesia. It says it can last for a while and that's before it's combined with clozapine. I'm normally tired so I guess this just doubled it. Plus as you mentioned, my body doesn't have much reserve right now after the months of sickness.

I did manage to walk the dogs up and down the driveway a few times (it is fairly long). I was actually willing to go once more but they wanted in so we stopped. I was tired but it felt good to move around some. That's an improvement; Wednesday I had to climb and descend these really steep and long steps at my nieces' school and I barely made it. I backed up traffic I was so slow.

Hopefully tomorrow will bring some more energy.
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Old Oct 25, 2019, 06:20 PM
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Well Steve’s Son and girlfriend can’t make it. All flights to Nashville are all way over booked. He could use a jump seat since he’s an employee of American Airlines , but his girlfriend could not. My husband is so bummed

But we just have a full weekend of snotty rain. They wanted to head to downtown Nashville and nobody wants to hang out down there in the rain. So another weekend would be better anyway.

My whole body is being a total Bytch !

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fern and Wild Coyote, I very much appreciate both of your thoughts about potential "sharing" of a psychiatrist. Wild Coyote, you're quite kind to share all of the stories, which I'm sure bring you some pain, as well.

As I wrote, I am kind of reluctant to share my psychiatrist and was taken off guard when he suggested himself. That's why I proposed Dr. X as an option. However, I'm going to add another element to this by mentioning that Dr. X is my husband's psychiatrist! I felt/feel that there is enough distance between Dad and my husband that it wouldn't be that big of a deal for them to share. My husband only really sees his pdoc once every three months, and mostly to just get refills on his ADD and depression meds. And hubby is a very low controversy type of a guy, and very believable. He also has little "therapy time" with his pdoc (more med check), though Dr. X does offer therapy, too. At least I know hubby's pdoc enough to know that he, like my pdoc, has experience with addictions treatment, as well as mood disorders. Both my husband's and my pdoc were IOP pdoc's at the local IOP for years and hospital pdoc's as well. They now just have their private practices. I have once met my husband's pdoc and that pdoc knows I have bipolar disorder. The extent of that pdoc's interest in me is to simply ask hubby if I'm doing well (likely to know hubby's stress). He, like my pdoc, is an older man and very likable. I think my dad would like Dr. X, too. He's more my dad's type than mine would be. Plus, I think my pdoc would potentially have a leaning towards me. I have known my pdoc for almost 13 years.

Wild Coyote, out of curiosity, do you agree Dr. X might not be so problematic? I don't see my husband's pdoc as getting involved with any drama. My husband hasn't really been that depressed in years. I think he mostly just chats with his pdoc, whereas I do have much more significant conversations with my doctor, though I also have a therapist.

As a shocking aside, the last pdoc my dad had set him up on a blind date with one of his female patients. Can you believe that?!?
Hi!

I can see you are giving this situation due consideration. It is best to try to troubleshoot this before leaping.

Yes, the situations I had cited were very difficult; however, I am very happy to share with you. I want to try to help in any way I can help.

It sounds like your H's Pdoc would be the better choice, between your pdoc and H's pdoc. He is further removed from you.

I know we tend to think our pdocs won't get into drama. That's not really the biggest concern. Someone with a different agenda, someone who has some interpersonal issues, someone who can/does create chaos in families and/or in social groups, someone who manipulates, will do the same or worse when involved with one of our pdocs/therapists.

My pdocs were not the type to get involved in drama, and that is a part of why I was willing to take the chance, over and over. The person causing drama was so good at it, chaos in the clinic ensued anyway.

I think the very first choice is to find your dad a pdoc/therapist who is not involved with anyone in the family. I am sorry if I have missed this, why is it that your dad's pdoc/therapist might be someone connected to your family?
Are there other professionals trained in dual diagnosis?
Is there a shortage of pdocs/therapists in your area?

If your dad having a totally separate pdoc/therapist is not possible, then out of the two, your pdoc or your H's pdoc, it is less risky if your dad connects with your H's pdoc.

It is critical, for your own healing, that you always protect your relationships with your pdoc and your therapist. This healing space is very important. From my stories you can tell it took some time for me to fully understand the importance in doing so. I was more interested in helping others at the time and clearly did not protect myself and my healing space(s). I can see now that I was not properly protecting myself and the more "sacred" nature of these healing relationships/spaces. I no longer put these relationships at risk.

This is a very difficult decision. We all want to help our loved ones as best we can. Just a word of caution, offering our pdocs/therapists may not be the wisest, nor truly the best, for all parties involved.

I am thinking of you, BirdDancer, as you consider the best course for you and for your dad.

Much Love to You!

P.S. The pdoc who set his patient, your dad, up on a blind date deserves to be reported to at least a couple of regulating agencies.
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I just got a little spooked. A woman representing a different division of the company I used to work for sent me a recruitment email for a job. I don't know why/how they got my email address. Internally or somehow from a LinkedIn account that I thought I deleted, but isn't? I'm going to ignore it. It's triggering.


That’s very weird ! Yes ignore is good
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N3 and his gf left saying they were going to a festival of lights downtown. It was nearly dark when they left. Now n3's computer keeps making random noises so I called him to ask why and if I could shut it off but he didn't answer. So she doesnt have to be home until 10 and I'm still in my clothes in case one or both of them want a ride. I have a feeling n3 might walk her home then ask me to come get him. Edit: they are almost back here. He called.

By the way, I had typed this out earlier and the "token expired" so it ate my message! I hate when that happens.

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I can see you are giving this situation due consideration. It is best to try to troubleshoot this before leaping.


Yes, the situations I had cited were very difficult; however, I am very happy to share with you. I want to try to help in any way I can help.


It sounds like your H's Pdoc would be the better choice, between your pdoc and H's pdoc. He is further removed from you.


I know we tend to think our pdocs won't get into drama. That's not really the biggest concern. Someone with a different agenda, someone who has some interpersonal issues, someone who can/does create chaos in families and/or in social groups, someone who manipulates, will do the same or worse when involved with one of our pdocs/therapists.


My pdocs were not the type to get involved in drama, and that is a part of why I was willing to take the chance, over and over. The person causing drama was so good at it, chaos in the clinic ensued anyway.


I think the very first choice is to find your dad a pdoc/therapist who is not involved with anyone in the family. I am sorry if I have missed this, why is it that your dad's pdoc/therapist might be someone connected to your family?

Are there other professionals trained in dual diagnosis?

Is there a shortage of pdocs/therapists in your area?


If your dad having a totally separate pdoc/therapist is not possible, then out of the two, your pdoc or your H's pdoc, it is less risky if your dad connects with your H's pdoc.


It is critical, for your own healing, that you always protect your relationships with your pdoc and your therapist. This healing space is very important. From my stories you can tell it took some time for me to fully understand the importance in doing so. I was more interested in helping others at the time and clearly did not protect myself and my healing space(s). I can see now that I was not properly protecting myself and the more "sacred" nature of these healing relationships/spaces. I no longer put these relationships at risk.


This is a very difficult decision. We all want to help our loved ones as best we can. Just a word of caution, offering our pdocs/therapists may not be the wisest, nor truly the best, for all parties involved.


I am thinking of you, BirdDancer, as you consider the best course for you and for your dad.


Much Love to You!


P.S. The pdoc who set his patient, your dad, up on a blind date deserves to be reported to at least a couple of regulating agencies.


Ummm I just want to add a bit to this

When I brought Judie into my home for some reason she assumed she would see my Pdoc and T ?!? Hu ? What? Noooooo ... I actually got panicked. Yes she needed to find providers but ...

Anyway I saw Richard a few days later and expressed concern He said that he would absolutely not be her T ... there were numerous other T’s she could see at the practice. He also said that if I was uncomfortable her seeing my Pdoc she could see the NP.

So Richard told me to call him when she made her intake appt so he could note on her account she could not see him or my Pdoc.

Judie was very upset when she was assigned to other providers. NP and T both told her they had a policy about family members and friends.

Judie even confronted me about it !!!!!! I was pretty shocked ! I mean I just saved her freaking life and she’s all mad that she can’t see MY T and Pdoc. I said even if they didn’t have that policy I would have not been okay her seeing them, that she had other options. The first of many red flags !

Anyway.... him seeing your Husbands Pdoc could be okay if your husband is okay with it.

I really really wish you didn’t have to deal with an alcoholic Father at all.

Please do make sure you take care of yourself first and foremost
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N3 and his gf left saying they were going to a festival of lights downtown. It was nearly dark when they left. Now n3's computer keeps making random noises so I called him to ask why and if I could shut it off but he didn't answer. So she doesnt have to be home until 10 and I'm still in my clothes in case one or both of them want a ride. I have a feeling n3 might walk her home then ask me to come get him. Edit: they are almost back here. He called.


By the way, I had typed this out earlier and the "token expired" so it ate my message! I hate when that happens.


Been reading my book about the elephants. This book just sneaks up on you. I have no idea where it might go next and a quote on the inside cover says it has a surprise ending so yeah.... Fun book!


Is N3 the son who won’t work ?? Sorry I can’t remember which is which
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I feel like I am having a breakdown. Things have been rough lately. I feel like I have to be the strong one in my marriage all the time. I shouldn't. I'm fine one minute then crying the next. I don't see my therapist until November 11th. That was the first available appt. That seems like a long way off. God help me.
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I had a rough day at work today. It was really busy and I was not feeling good.

I came home and I just sat, not saying a word. I was exploring how I was feeling and I'm marking down that today was a bad day.

But on the plus side, after a while of sitting quietly I started a conversation with my wife. We talked about a few things and it was good.

This weekend is an important time for Indians (my wife is from India). It's probably their most important festival. There's lots of cooking involved, plus visiting friends. So we're going out both days of the weekend. I hope they turn out to be good days.
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Been feeling lethargic and blah all week. Not sure what gives. Not super depressed although this might be depression related. I feel apathetic, but it's because everything tires me out. I am stressed which isn't helping, but not enough to warrant this level of feeling like crud. I also don't seem to be particularly sick, I sneezed a few times this week and that's about it. My SO has been very sweet as per usual and I am glad to have his support. In general I have been considering going back to my psychiatrist, but feel awkward as I am not sure if I want to try meds, and I don't know what I expect to come of it? I am not sure how to ask to be seen again if they will only see me if I am taking medication which I can understand. I partly want to talk about OCD treatment options, so maybe that.

Tomorrow I am playing games with friends. Something to look forward to (and I wanted to add something positive to my update). Hope everyone has a great weekend.
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Is N3 the son who won’t work ?? Sorry I can’t remember which is which
Yes he's the youngest. Then N2 (the girl) is 2 years older. Then N1/Molly is my eldest. (2 years older than n2). They were all due in October but N3 came at 39 weeks so his bday is in September.
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I had a rough day at work today. It was really busy and I was not feeling good.

I came home and I just sat, not saying a word. I was exploring how I was feeling and I'm marking down that today was a bad day.

But on the plus side, after a while of sitting quietly I started a conversation with my wife. We talked about a few things and it was good.

This weekend is an important time for Indians (my wife is from India). It's probably their most important festival. There's lots of cooking involved, plus visiting friends. So we're going out both days of the weekend. I hope they turn out to be good days.


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Been feeling lethargic and blah all week. Not sure what gives. Not super depressed although this might be depression related. I feel apathetic, but it's because everything tires me out. I am stressed which isn't helping, but not enough to warrant this level of feeling like crud. I also don't seem to be particularly sick, I sneezed a few times this week and that's about it. My SO has been very sweet as per usual and I am glad to have his support. In general I have been considering going back to my psychiatrist, but feel awkward as I am not sure if I want to try meds, and I don't know what I expect to come of it? I am not sure how to ask to be seen again if they will only see me if I am taking medication which I can understand. I partly want to talk about OCD treatment options, so maybe that.

Tomorrow I am playing games with friends. Something to look forward to (and I wanted to add something positive to my update). Hope everyone has a great weekend.
A week can feel like forever when you're feeling off. I'm sorry you're feeling unwell. I would maybe give it a bit more time to see how it progresses. Also, I'd try using my coping skills to test to see how serious the symptoms are. If they improve with self care and distraction you may be able to manage on your own.

Have you considered other pdocs in your area? Maybe there would be one willing to treat you even if you aren't on meds. Also, do you see a therapist?
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Been feeling lethargic and blah all week. Not sure what gives. Not super depressed although this might be depression related. I feel apathetic, but it's because everything tires me out. I am stressed which isn't helping, but not enough to warrant this level of feeling like crud. I also don't seem to be particularly sick, I sneezed a few times this week and that's about it. My SO has been very sweet as per usual and I am glad to have his support. In general I have been considering going back to my psychiatrist, but feel awkward as I am not sure if I want to try meds, and I don't know what I expect to come of it? I am not sure how to ask to be seen again if they will only see me if I am taking medication which I can understand. I partly want to talk about OCD treatment options, so maybe that.


Tomorrow I am playing games with friends. Something to look forward to (and I wanted to add something positive to my update). Hope everyone has a great weekend.


I’m sorry your struggling I think going to see about OCD treatment would be a way to open the door to find something that might help. Do you normally struggle in the Fall so many do, I’m hoping to skip my usual Fall funk. Do you have a light box ?? It can be helpful , it’s on a wish list fir my husband and I.

Hang in there !!! I’m glad your SO is so supportive
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Yes he's the youngest. Then N2 (the girl) is 2 years older. Then N1/Molly is my eldest. (2 years older than n2). They were all due in October but N3 came at 39 weeks so his bday is in September.


If he won’t work why are you burning gas driving his gf and him around?

I’d be like ..... “ you have feet! Use them. “
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Moose I agree with Christina, taxi service is closed until he contributes to the house hold.
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If he won’t work why are you burning gas driving his gf and him around?

I’d be like ..... “ you have feet! Use them. “
He walks most everywhere he wants to go. He walks a LOT. I dont like them walking after 10 in the dark so I drive her home.
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A week can feel like forever when you're feeling off. I'm sorry you're feeling unwell. I would maybe give it a bit more time to see how it progresses. Also, I'd try using my coping skills to test to see how serious the symptoms are. If they improve with self care and distraction you may be able to manage on your own.

Have you considered other pdocs in your area? Maybe there would be one willing to treat you even if you aren't on meds. Also, do you see a therapist?
Thanks Fern! I do see a therapist who is great, it's been a bit slow in terms of progress because she's only available every 2-4 weeks and it took awhile to figure out I had OCD and needed therapy specifically for it. However I am considering therapy plus lifestyle changes to be my primary treatment. I am doing okay with coping skills and I know this feeling will pass. I have more been considering seeing my psychiatrist it in general to maybe get some more feedback on what's going on with me.

It's not that I care about a label as much as I am confused about the underlying processes. I am also a little concerned some of this could be due to past health issues I've had. I haven't yet considered other pdocs just because I trust this one and he knows me well, but wouldn't be against it.
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I’m sorry your struggling I think going to see about OCD treatment would be a way to open the door to find something that might help. Do you normally struggle in the Fall so many do, I’m hoping to skip my usual Fall funk. Do you have a light box ?? It can be helpful , it’s on a wish list fir my husband and I.

Hang in there !!! I’m glad your SO is so supportive
Thank you! Yes, fall is tough for me, this could be a bit of seasonal depression. I have a light box and am using it, but maybe not enough. I do find it helps, and hope you and your husband can get one! OCD treatment might be a good way to open the door, thanks.
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