hell?

if someone kills themselves do you think they go to heaven?
just wondering

I don't know woods....
I am not a religious person!!
But its a good question!!

I think that it would depend upon the state of the ...or the nature of the person's spirit at that time.

i hope you don't have to worry about that. are you feeling okay woods?

i dont know what you definition of "ok" is but at the moment. things in my head are alittle out of place.

its not really us to judge or say whether someone goes to heaven after suicide i guess we will never know until we die

hope you are feeling ok

things are real bad for me right now too. But this group has a lot to offer, I just joined and I already see that. The best place to get where you want to go is to get directions from someone who has walked there! I have dealt with depression most of my life and had thoughts of death that called for me all of the time, even after I became a christian.
But I gained and lived with strength for a year and a half and even though I am back in that pit, those thoughts don't come like they used to. I guess because I want to experience that victory again because it is a beautiful thing and all those thoughts would do would get me to heaven quicker but cause a lot of hell for the people I would leave behind. A catholic will tell you (at least most of them who don't really study the bible) that suicide is a ticket to hell. But the grace of god is a gift, so it depends on what you belive. If you accept the gift (Jesus), it doesn't matter how you die, you will go to heaven. That can be a wonderful and tempting thought at times, but now I just think of, like I said, the hell i would cause those I would leave behind. Kinda selfish when I know even though I can be a pain with this illness, I sure can bring joy to some, at times. Take care!!

bella rose just to let you know that i am a catholic and your right that is what a catholic would say but anyone who studies the bible knows that by doing that we are placeing a judgment on where that person belongs

I am Catholic too. However..I believe in he "mind. body, spirit concept" What state of mind was the individual in when You have to be fully and totally sane and able to make an unencumbered decision to die..to go to hell..IMO

Also..I believe that Christ died on the cross for all of our sins. Not just some. It's a judgement call made by God.IMO!

I am Catholic and have talked to many priests on this subject and they have stated the church has NEVER taken a stand on who will and will not go to hell....They stated even Judas who took his life may have been sorry or ill. However, hell or not DO NOT TAKE YOUR LIFE. Its not yours to take. I think that it's God call. I cannot begin to guess what he would do or how he would call it.

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if someone kills themselves do you think they go to heaven?
just wondering

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in my religion it doesnt matter if the person committed suicide or not they will go to heaven. As long as they have lead a good life and or have asked for forgiveness for what they did wrong and have accepted Jesus in their life.

I think it would depend on what that person who is thinknig about suicide religion says and what they believe is what is important.

My mother was Catholic & committed suicide. I'm not religious, but I think God (if there is one) would understand her suffering & her not being in her "right mind" & not judge her as an evil person, but look upon her with compassion. At least a loving god would do that.--Suzy

dottie exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my point exactly no one has or ever will have any idea what happens after we die we believe what helps us at the time to get through it!
suzy- sorry to hear about your mother

i think i believe all of this. but to me i hope that God will except those who make those kinds of mistakes. i supose in a way we want to hear that well be happy, and go to heaven. but how do we know right? through faith, but theres always the possiblity that we maybe wrong.

but thanx....for responding. its given me a better insight

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My mother was Catholic & committed suicide. I'm not religious, but I think God (if there is one) would understand her suffering & her not being in her "right mind" & not judge her as an evil person, but look upon her with compassion. At least a loving god would do that.--Suzy

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yes i agree. if god is the 'loving' person that people claim he is then i think he would understand why people commit suicide. he would surely know how much suffering they were going through and he would know that they weren't in their right mind when they commited suicide.

It does not state anywhere in the bible that suicide will condemn the person to hell.
Jesus said: '"I am THE way the TRUTH and the LIFE. No-one comes to the Father but by me." Read the 14th. chapter of John. Christ took on the weight of the world. I'm certain he knows depression quite well. Christ would never condemn you for feeling sad. He cries with you.
I would suggest that you learn more of why you are thinking about this and have a good talk with a Minister or Pastor about you faith...or lack of. This REALLY helped me.
A minister who I did not even know saved my life many years ago.
m.b.

Yes, but. . .

http://www.everypoet.com/Archive/poe...he_suicide.htm

i did not fully understand that whole poem but i get the jist of it.

that was truely amazing. thank you

Yes, that's helped me when I'm wishing to give up. Life is a "struggle" that's part of its point. We're theoretically supposed to be showing the angels what a wonderful creation we are; they don't have any experience with not having things wonderful and having free will at the same time. It's "harder" for us than for them and they're in awe of us as a creation of God's.

but that makes me wonder...if it really is harder for us? in heaven angels fell. to be known now as "demonds" so dont they have free choice? if not, then what do you call the devil and his decision?

not trying to sound rude or anything. just thoughts

Lucifer was "proud" and no, he doesn't get to be proud since he's a creation of God's too. So, when he decided he was "a god"/as good as God then he and those who agreed with him got into a fight with God and guess what, they lost.

Our situation is a bit more complicated; we have 70+ years each, whatever, and are confronted with many situations, good ones, bad ones, etc. and can "learn" from our experiences and apologize when we "see the light." Adam and Eve "chose" to take that route when they ate of the fruit from the tree of knowledge. Before that, they were "innocent." It's a long struggle and "no one" knows how it's ultimately going to come out. God's betting on us and Satan's betting on himself. However, since Satan is a creation of God's, he's kind of gonna lose twice. But he wants to see how many of us he can take down with himself, how many he can deceive.

The fallen angels didn't /don't have anything to "compare" their experience to. Now, they have us to watch and we've got choices to make. God loves us and I don't believe if we say "it's too hard" and give up that he will cease loving us but, as the poem says, our "job" we were given to do won't get done and someone else will have to do our work. There may be someone tomorrow, next week, month or year or in 10 years that we're supposed to help, encourage, impact in some way and if we give up, we won't be here. I think of it a little like the Christmas movie, "It's a Wonderful Life" with Jimmy Stewart. http://www.filmsite.org/itsa.html

My daughter's daycare provider's son committed suicide. I was going through classes to join the Catholic church at the time, and also going through one of my depressions. I met privately with a nun several times and I asked her what she thought. She said that she doesn't believe they would go to hell because when someone takes their life they are not thinking right. The depression makes their brain work differently, and is an illness that Christ would understand.
I know personally that there I times I couldn't imagine ending my life, leaving my family. But, there are other times when it just makes sense to me, and I can argue with people about how "right" it is. It is my illness that does this, my control over it is not always there.
That's just my two (okay five) cents.

I've been talking to a lot of religious people, so a lot of questions have been answered... I have to say that most of those answers were stupid, illogical answers that made me not want to be part of religion {I was born Catholic}..
I asked that question.. whether someone that commits suicide goes to heaven or hell.. and they said that they go to hell because you're commiting a crime and also because only God can take your life..
But I doubt that's true..
I mean I got that answer from people who think that gay people are also going to hell...
I know God understands what is going on in a person's head when they commit suicide...
If God is the wonderful forgiving father we've been taught he is, then I know He'll forgive for suicide..
I don't know.. that's just what I think.

I just don't think it is something that we can judge. I believe that God knows the state of a person's mind, and will be merciful. But then, I believe that the afterlife is not so cut and dry as just heaven and hell. I believe that there are many in between states, and that the choices we make can limit us from becoming what we could, even if a choice does not condemn us to endless punishment. Then, we don't know how much control a person has, and whether they could have decided otherwise. We do know our own state of mind, and we can make our own choices. We need to be responsible for ourselves and make the best decisions that we can.