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Old Aug 11, 2016, 08:59 AM
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I have a very big problem with SUGAR....it has been a problem for 85 years for me..
but lately I have developed insulin resistance...and that is not good for my depression..
and also I don't want to get dementia...
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Old Aug 11, 2016, 04:15 PM
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Found a quote for you today little turtle

"With DSM-5 psychiatry firmly regressed to early-ninteenth-century medical practice. Despite the fact that we know the origin of many of the problems it identifies, its 'diagnoses' describe surface phenomena that completely ignore the underlying causes." -pg 166
"The Body Keeps the Score" by Bessel Van Der Kolk, M.D.

I'm curious about your statement however, does diabetes cause dementia?
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Old Aug 11, 2016, 05:06 PM
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Found a quote for you today little turtle

"With DSM-5 psychiatry firmly regressed to early-ninteenth-century medical practice. Despite the fact that we know the origin of many of the problems it identifies, its 'diagnoses' describe surface phenomena that completely ignore the underlying causes." -pg 166
"The Body Keeps the Score" by Bessel Van Der Kolk, M.D.

I'm curious about your statement however, does diabetes cause dementia?
I am hearing that dementia is diabetes type 3...
I do not know if this will be so...
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Old Aug 12, 2016, 08:25 AM
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I am reading the dr William glasser book about CHOICE theory....it is making me think very hard about my own marriage and how I treat the other people in my life...what are the words coming out of my mouth...
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Old Aug 14, 2016, 11:01 AM
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I am also reading FAT CHANCE by dr Robert lustig....beating the odds against sugar, processed foods, obesity, and disease......it has some good information...............I think it has to do with our moods...he is a good clinical researcher
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Old Aug 15, 2016, 06:52 AM
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Presonally, I think it can come from a variety of factors. And I've seen that in my work. For some, it could be something biological. That element of misfiring neurotransmitters and the brain. Others, it's a mixture of neurological and environmental factors, genetics...I guess it depends on who you talk to.
The different types of antidepressants are meant to increase/block our neurotransmitters. Specifically the ones that can influence depression. I don't think depression medications can ever cure by themselves, and shouldn't be used as such. I suppose they are simply to 'take the edge off'.
thanks very much penguin....I think a good psychiatrist pays attention to both psychology and biology...and that takes time...we are into the quick fix..
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thanks very much penguin....I think a good psychiatrist pays attention to both psychology and biology...and that takes time...we are into the quick fix..
I think, as a society, we are into the quick fix almost because we have to be. Everything needs to be 'now'. We are rushed. Because we have so many things we need to do, with such a short amount of time. At first it was because we were marveled at the idea, the technology of it all. But then, as our lifestyles became about adding in everything we could add in without respect to limits, we started to rely on it. Now it's a must. You need the quick fix for an illness because you can't take any time off. You need the quick fix for meals because you don't have time to make dinner. No one has time anymore.
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Old Aug 16, 2016, 10:03 AM
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I would not see a patient for 15 minutes....I refused...
I would NOT talk less and use more drugs...
I will never give in to this madness...
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Old Aug 17, 2016, 06:29 AM
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I would not see a patient for 15 minutes....I refused...
I would NOT talk less and use more drugs...
I will never give in to this madness...
I am old now...I will not be here for very long..
don't let them abuse you anymore...
stand up and hold your ground...
there is hope for the future...
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Old Aug 25, 2016, 09:12 AM
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whenever i was acutely depressed....I wanted a pill that would act fast...now...right then...I didn't care about any side effects...that problem came later...
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Old Aug 26, 2016, 08:14 AM
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I hear a lot about having compassion for others...I am very compassionate for other persons...I have tremendous difficulty being compassionate to myself....the little turtle that tried so hard and was cut down by mental illness....why cant I be kinder to myself...
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Turtle remember that having love for others , animals and all gods creatures great and small is easy ,very easy compared to loving yourself and "allowing" self love and compassion , the harshest judgement you will ever face is yourself and the worst most confining torturous prison we can find ourselves in , is created by our own mind, the inside of your head can be the thickest walks and strongest steel confinement a person will ever face, I still have thoughts that my rationale mind finds "unthinkable and offensive" , I have ICU PTSD, not the normal hopped up on drugs with the conscious mind taken out , so everything you feel and hear becomes part of an elaborate "fantasy world of torture" created by your unconscious mind to try and make sense of what you are feeling, opiates and benzo's in ICU contribute / cause delirium , in my case it was the absence of those that broke me , I had MOF CASCADE, with a progressing hemothorax , , nurse kept coming telling me I was having anxiety and to try and calm down ( I wish I had had the air to put her in her place, needless to say when a Doctor got there he recognized I was circling the drain, on went the emergency high procedure lights as he told me we did not have time for anesthesia and he proceeded to Crack my chest and strategies draining the blood that was crushing my lungs , at some point I passed out, only to reawaken later paralyzed on a ventilator starring jnyo those lights , first it was annoying , then it was irritating , hen it was furious and wishing some moron would drop there newspaper on my face or build a dog house anything to get those lights out of my eyes. I think it was like 5 days later somebody realized this guy is going bananas in his head and get rid off the lights , but since then I am an expert at all the thoughts that use the sides of your head as diving boards , because no matter how bad you want to scream or do scream inside your head , not a soul in the world hears you or your pleas , just the way it is , fast forward to ten years ago when a Neurologist told me I had fast progressing ALS , That poor guy had no idea what he just stepped in , but it took me a good 15 minutes to go up one side of him with all that pain that had been festering in the back of my head all those years , and told him all about ALS patients don't die peacefully and the how and why I new better , a little Versed(midazolam) would have been the ounce of prevention that beat a pound of cure , because there is no cure for hyper vigilant PTSD as you well know, but I work through it doing my work as needed to keep myself sane.

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Old Aug 26, 2016, 10:00 AM
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Yeah I've had some rough days and been through trials and tribulations but I dispense my wisdom slowly, and always check my attitude at the door, I never go out unless I am ready to be the one kind stranger a person meets that day, I firmly believe that saying hello to everyone is the human thing to do , because at that very moment they could need a safe ear to bend about there day and there pain, I am not a do gooder , I am a person who cares deeply for all lives , my Mother used to take me on weekends and holidays from school down to the Dorothy Day house of hospitality in "Hills kitchen" to spend the night preparing meals during the night and serving them the next day , to whoever came , it was my Mom's earliest lesson to me , no matter what or who I became to remain humble and never look down r up to another human being , we are all equal, when I became a Paramedic/ Firefighter there was not a prouder parent in the room , through the years I learned all the things she was teaching and making them core beliefs , in my Mothers world and culture no greater compliment could be paid then her saying to me "you grew up to be an honorable son" those words sustain me , 8 years after her death, my thought is my life is going to be short , use it for as much good as you can .

Kinda like my favorite quote ( one of them anyway) " it is far easier to raise a strong child, than to fix a broken man" I try and do a little or alot of something each day to make this place better , I want to be the forgotten messenger with the appropriate message, I come and talk in my communities and forums to leave a mark on this world and hopefully keep someone else from ever wearing the shoes I have walked in, although the very nature of man is to be different , lay out the safe steps to reach adulthood missing all the chuck holes that will slow you down and divert your attention and goal and the first thing a child does is run right into the middle of the minefield , to learn there own lessons the hard way , they are not lessons when we tell them they are " stories of war" every generation does it and every generation blames the one before for all of there frustrations, I choose to be different and blame no one , we'll of my soap box , I am here because I care about each and every reader Wether you know it or not you are valuable and everyone who adds a little something to the conversation, in truth adds alot , perspective shared is a vision realized.

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Yeah I've had some rough days and been through trials and tribulations but I dispense my wisdom slowly, and always check my attitude at the door, I never go out unless I am ready to be the one kind stranger a person meets that day, I firmly believe that saying hello to everyone is the human thing to do , because at that very moment they could need a safe war to bend about there day and there pain, I am not a do gooder , I am a person who cares deeply for all lives , my Mother used to take me on weekends and holidays from school down to the Dorothy Day house of hospitality in "Hills kitchen" to spend the night preparing meals during the night and serving them the next day , to whoever came , it was my Mom's earliest lesson to me , no matter what or who I became to remain humble and never look down r up to another human being , we are all equal, when I became a Paramedic/ Firefighter there was not a prouder parent in the room , through the years I learned all the things she was teaching and making them core beliefs , in my Mothers world and culture no greater compliment could be paid then her saying to me "you grew up to be an honorable son" those words sustain me , 8 years after her death, my thought is my life is going to be short , use it for as much good as you can .

Kinda like my favorite quote ( one of them anyway) " it is far easier to raise a strong child, than to fix a broken man" I try and do a little or alot of something each day to make this place better , I want to be the forgotten messenger with the appropriate message, I come and talk in my communities and forums to leave a mark on this world and hopefully keep someone else from ever wearing the shoes I have walked in, although the very nature of man is to be different , lay out the safe steps to reach adulthood missing all the chuck holes that will slow you down and divert your attention and goal and the first thing a child does is run right into the middle of the minefield , to learn there own lessons the hard way , they are not lessons when we tell them they are " stories of war" every generation does it and every generation blames the one before for all of there frustrations, I choose to be different and blame no one , we'll of my soap box , I am here because I care about each and every reader Wether you know it or not you are valuable and everyone who adds a little something to the conversation, in truth adds alot , perspective shared is a vision realized.

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I am really afraid of all the new drugs coming out.....all the money being made..
but is it going to really get at the causes of mental illness...it just seems mostly making more $$$$$$$$$$$$
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Making more money and drugs with some serious potential for great harm with side effects.
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Making more money and drugs with some serious potential for great harm with side effects.
yes....I personally was helped for a long time using Elavil and valium....but I was taught that my depression was going to last a lifetime...there was no talk about going off these drugs...they were helping me....but I couldn't get off of them....every time I just would fall apart...what I didn't know ....maybe these drugs changed my brain and it would be hard to stop them....and I found it was VERY HARD...I still cant get off the ssri...the valium is only in reserve now...

so what do we have here....we need to know what psych drugs do to the brain...bad and good...

as a psychiatrist the mainline of treatment is drugs....
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we may be taking drugs that are not fixing the problem...the drugs may be a temporary fix....
we may have to dig in and deal with some of the problems in our lives....that is hard to do

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It is illegal in the USA for insurance or Center for Medicare or Medicaid Services (CMS) to ngotiatiate price or quantity of any drug ( that is why a drug like Harvoni ( created by a doctor working for the Veterans Administration ) is a hundred thousand dollars per month here, and therfore not available to our Veterans due to cost,. but may be available in Mexico or Europe for $ 400.00 per month.

Lie saving Emergency drugs that are in short supply in the USA that are listed on the " WHO'S 100 drugs needed for a modern effective medical system" , are in short supply because the patents expired long ago and the companies only make a couple of dollars off each use , make very small quantities of them , that is there right in this country , it does not matter to the companies if there is no substitute drug that works the same way ( even if people die , for lack of the drug big pharma doesn't care , all that matters is profit) .

As far as psych meds , since there is no proof of an illness and no proof exactly what action the drug has on he brain or body many of these drugs have potential for addiction and each new evolution of drugs over the years has become more and more dangerous , side effects of permanent disability or death from a skin drug , or fatal brain infection from a drug to help treat MS , are we kidding here.

The FDA & CDC recently said that some really weird things :

1. That all there Crack downs on "Opiates" has had little effect on the most vulnerable segment of society, the disabled on benefits , who are generally sicker than than all other segments of the population, I am disabled because I am dying , do they think that dying is a place I want to be , or choose this path for my life, or that my pain and opiate use is because I am unfamiliar with Asprin or other NSAID no its because I'm sicker than most.

They also say that we are missing the other addiction in America "the elderly" well give our physicians more than 15 minutes with them and maybe pharmaceuticals would be a last resort instead of the 'norm" .
And how about getting insurance companies ( who do whatever the CMS does ) to cover alternative therapies ( PT, OT, Biofeedback, Hydro therapy, Acupuncture ) ! The woman across the street is a perfect example , they will supply her with a fancy wheelchair , but will not allow her access to more than 8 OT visits a year , she had a stroke and has partial ability to walk, with help as in PT she could walk full time again because just as she started to make good progress in PT they yank it away for the year, because she has reached 8 visits, what should he point of keeping the sick, sick really be .

Big pharma keeps us taking there expensive drugs , they have hijacked the point of medicine and Doctors , get the patient back to the highest level of function they can obtain and take it from there , instead it's you have fifteen minutes to prescribe what ever will keep them content and a customer for life of your drugs, get them to forget there goals and aspirations , turn there dreams into just that, dreams seen through a drug induced haze, motivate them to be a patient instead of a whole person.

If big Pharma had of been what they are today, do you think the visionary, country saving dignified President Franklin Delano Roosevelt ever would have happened, or even been allowed ? Every single American who is Retired, or getting help with surviving a major disabling condition has that man to thank, and what are the chances of a man or woman being allowed to hold high office ever again in most of our lifetimes, you decide ? And JFK does not count because his conditions became severe and widely known only after his 1000 days and death.

The Americans with disabilities act was enacted with a whole lot of fighting and am twisting, and believe me it has been watered down many times sine enactment, as the people of color are finally getting some recognition for years of struggle , thanks to the prevalence of cameras showing what has gone on for years , and been swept under the rug.

Those with a disability sit many levels below where they are today even with the ADA enactment, politicians fight to get the vote of different segments of society Wether it be Evangelical,Latino, conservative , etc never once have I heard the people with a disabilities vote being sought, the closest to that anyone has ever come is all the talk of keeping guns out of the hands of the "mentally ill", yet if you look at statistics very few crimes ( such as mass killings) are done by people with an illness, although any perpetrators not killed during there acts all claim they had "diminished capacity" ( as in an illness) at the time they did them.

My feeling and belief is if you ( any one of us , who rads this ) does a heinous act and runs away or plans for there own death after the act, knows that it was wrong and therfore is guilty , that is premeditated and shows clearly it was not an act of "passion" or spontaneous in any way ( spontaneous being "driven to it by immediate uncontralabe circumstance") yet laws in this country changed years ago that in a court of law any defendant must prove not only they are not guilty of whatever act , but also prove they did not in fact know right from Wrong at the time the act was committed .

Also another completely wrong and "crazy" component of the justice system is the prosecution " telling what happened" ( they where nt there , or part of the act ) so instead of everyone telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, the prosecution is allowed to present a totally fictitious story of what ( and it's always the worst possible tale they can think of) happened, what ever happened to presenting the available pyhsical evidence in a non partial way , by both sides and allowing the Judge or Jury to draw a conclusion from that, although it has been said that juries ae composed of 15 people not smart enough to get out of Jury duty , similarly noted is the fact that this "impartial" panel is picked by the two most biased people in the world, one guy wants you to hang for you alleged offense and the other who believes in you innocence no matter what.

Big Pharma is the same way they don't care how or why a drug is given as long as it's given and making them money, on label off label or just because the patient was a royal pain in the *** and would not be happy until they got a prescription for whatever drug they saw on TV last night that "promised" it would help with whatever ailment the patient was convinced they suffered from in between sit coms they watched last night. Don't be a victim of greed always ask "Is this really needed", "is there a different drug free treatment option" and most of all if a drug is needed "is this one covered by my insurance & has the least amount of possable dangerous side effects" .

Depression very well can last a lifetime just as psychosis, but more and more evidence is coming out that it can also be a "one hit wonder" and treatment can be time limited ( or in many cases Phameceutcal intervention can be avoided all together with the patient benefitting sooner from avoiding the medication route all together). Many patients can benefit from therapy to learn new or better coping skills, stress reduction,conflict resolution, resilience, sleep management , nutrition etc..,many can do these things and go on to lead full and productive lives, unfortunately this a case by case thing , patients are not all sick in the same way and therefore can not heal in the same way, that is the number one reason medicine can not be an assembly line process of 15 minutes , it must be individualized and tailored to what works best for this person and there life .

Best way to get of any medication such as an SSRI is to switch to another that is shorter acting in the body So you have to take more tablets during the day, and slowly start taking less , first you extend the interval between tablets , then after a period see if you can eliminate that tablet obviously you work from bedtime backward, and as you do this hopefully you will get to the point that your morning dose eventually gets eliminated , it's important to remember your body will do everything it can during this time to make you take the drug, but always remember as you try this if you ever feel like harming yourself that you get immediate help from somebody you trust, your survival is of the greatest importance , even if your mind works to convince you otherwise.

Good luck in your efforts at detoxing, and we are always here to help.

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I am 85 y.o.....i continue to recover from a mood disorder mostly with depression and anxiety...I will probably never fully recover from those awful early breakdowns...I am still on an ssri and cant get off....do I have some brain damage from the medicines I took...
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