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Old May 26, 2018, 04:11 PM
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i continue reading the book ---ANATOMY OF AN EPIDEMIC by Robert whitaker...
it is very disturbing to me because I may have harmed some of my patients..
I was just following what I was taught to do...but now maybe things have changed..
at least I didn't treat any children... thank goodness....it is hard not feeling guilty...
actually I wish I was back in there...I know better now...these drugs can be very dangerous if not used with caution and continued learning about alternative care...
and when to stop the drugs...

actually I was treating my depression the same way I was treating my patients...so that was good...I was taking the same antidepressants and
benzos...I was right there with my patients..
I do take benzos (and one other unheard of by most med.

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Old May 26, 2018, 05:02 PM
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((((((((( little turtle ))))))))

I agree about the drugs . Too many are put on the drugs with little or no follow up and no therapy . And aren’t even “told” by the doctor to try to learn about alternative care . At least this is what happened to me ..

I’m grateful to have “met” you, as I didn’t feel, and still don’t, feel “cared about” in the slightest by any of the doctors in this forest. A couple I think did care or tried to care were completely constrained by the “system” etc and didn’t help either

I hope I can relate with you fuzzy patient to patient...
not doctor to patient...I am a person...I am just a person...
I want to love and be loved...person to person...yes..what do you think
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Old May 26, 2018, 05:09 PM
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I hope I can relate with you fuzzy patient to patient...
not doctor to patient...I am a person...I am just a person...
I want to love and be loved...person to person...yes..what do you think
I agree, I think of you as a good friend, not “my doctor” or as a doctor in particular, I do find your insights and posts helpful and refreshing. I’m just a person and so are you - I too want to love and be loved
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Old May 26, 2018, 05:22 PM
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I just had some wine...I have had a cocktail hour with my wife for 63 years ....
95 % of the time it is good...a couple of times it was bad...but no hitting..
tonight we talked about whether to hide things or bring them out in the light...
we have a difference about this....as a patient I now want to bring everything out in the open..i am just a depressed guy who is scared about the way the world is going...I don't like it...it scares me..it makes me so sad...I see so much suffering ..
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Old May 26, 2018, 05:24 PM
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I agree, I think of you as a good friend, not “my doctor” or as a doctor in particular, I do find your insights and posts helpful and refreshing. I’m just a person and so are you - I too want to love and be loved


beautiful...that makes me happy
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Old May 26, 2018, 05:30 PM
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beautiful...that makes me happy


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Old May 26, 2018, 05:39 PM
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I just had some wine...I have had a cocktail hour with my wife for 63 years ....
95 % of the time it is good...a couple of times it was bad...but no hitting..
tonight we talked about whether to hide things or bring them out in the light...
we have a difference about this....as a patient I now want to bring everything out in the open..i am just a depressed guy who is scared about the way the world is going...I don't like it...it scares me..it makes me so sad...I see so much suffering ..
Whether to hide things or bring them out into the light.. Papa Bear and I don’t really agree about this either. Mostly “little” things like my collection of stuffies, he doesn’t think there is anything wrong with my collecting stuffies, I know there isn’t anything wrong with it. But his family is, I guess, “reserved” and “conventional” - with one possible NPD (I hope not ).. and the “family” I came from were secretive to the extreme, judgemental, rejecting (maybe gaslighting,
haven’t really looked into that (yet) ...... it’s amazing I’m not more “crazy” than I am

The world scares me too and makes me sad .. I hate that there is so much suffering ..
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Old May 27, 2018, 10:57 AM
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Whether to hide things or bring them out into the light.. Papa Bear and I don’t really agree about this either. Mostly “little” things like my collection of stuffies, he doesn’t think there is anything wrong with my collecting stuffies, I know there isn’t anything wrong with it. But his family is, I guess, “reserved” and “conventional” - with one possible NPD (I hope not ).. and the “family” I came from were secretive to the extreme, judgemental, rejecting (maybe gaslighting,
haven’t really looked into that (yet) ...... it’s amazing I’m not more “crazy” than I am

The world scares me too and makes me sad .. I hate that there is so much suffering ..

fuzzy---can we be on a fuzzy bus...I want to listen to confessions
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Old May 27, 2018, 02:51 PM
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fuzzy---can we be on a fuzzy bus...I want to listen to confessions
You’re much more “likeable” than me little turtle. And being forced to be “hypervigilant” it’s easy for me to notice behaviours etc that many would miss..

Heh. I wish I hadn’t been so stupid as to give that therapist so many “chances”

It’s in my nature to be “forgiving”

Although some, especially the step maternal unit ... could find Nothing good about me..... do you think maybe she had “bigger issues”...
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Old May 27, 2018, 05:55 PM
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You’re much more “likeable” than me little turtle. And being forced to be “hypervigilant” it’s easy for me to notice behaviours etc that many would miss..

Heh. I wish I hadn’t been so stupid as to give that therapist so many “chances”

It’s in my nature to be “forgiving”

Although some, especially the step maternal unit ... could find Nothing good about me..... do you think maybe she had “bigger issues”...


fuzzy will you be my therapist on the bus....
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Old May 27, 2018, 07:47 PM
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fuzzy will you be my therapist on the bus....
I can try to be your therapist on the bus...
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Old May 28, 2018, 05:39 AM
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I can try to be your therapist on the bus...


can we start now...I am coming to see you now for help..
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Old May 28, 2018, 10:01 AM
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fuzzy---I went to a meeting last week....I kept up on my physical activity...
but I was not eating healthy...I had pie and cake twice a day for 5 days...
I think my brain has suffered the aftereffects...

we could have group therapy with fuzzy being the therapist..
anyone else interested...fuzzy would you be the group therapist..
after you practice with us you could do whatever..
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Old May 28, 2018, 11:51 AM
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fuzzy I am reading that book ANATOMY OF AN EPIDEMIC...
I am getting more disturbed about what is happening to children...
my wife says stop reading that...but I need to know what is going on with
these medicines we are getting...and the psych meds kids are getting..
what is going on...what happened to DO NO HARM...it makes me sad and mad..

fuzzy what do you think I should do...
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Old May 28, 2018, 12:07 PM
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I just want to cry...but I cant..
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Old May 28, 2018, 12:27 PM
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I should never have gone into psychiatry...
I should have gone into psychology...
it was a mistake for me to be a medical doctor...
but now I have to manage that...
I need to retire from anything having to do with doctor stuff..
I want to help but I need to stay away from those psych medicines..
for me they helped but they hurt...I think they hurt more than helped..for me
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Old May 28, 2018, 02:55 PM
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I just want to cry...but I cant..
I wish I could cry more too.. I can’t usually
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Old May 28, 2018, 03:00 PM
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I should never have gone into psychiatry...
I should have gone into psychology...
it was a mistake for me to be a medical doctor...
but now I have to manage that...
I need to retire from anything having to do with doctor stuff..
I want to help but I need to stay away from those psych medicines..
for me they helped but they hurt...I think they hurt more than helped..for me
((((((( little turtle )))))))

The psych meds hurt me more than they helped too ....

I think I mentioned that up until the age of ? 16 ? I wanted to be a doctor

It would have been a mistake.

I wanted to study sociology at university. But the father wouldn’t pay for it...

I eventually got a grant (long story) and have a degree in something else (Not medical or psychology related)

I regret you have to put up with this self blame . Do you think it could be partly related to “mother issues” - I know it is for me
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Old May 28, 2018, 03:29 PM
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fuzzy I am reading that book ANATOMY OF AN EPIDEMIC...
I am getting more disturbed about what is happening to children...
my wife says stop reading that...but I need to know what is going on with
these medicines we are getting...and the psych meds kids are getting..
what is going on...what happened to DO NO HARM...it makes me sad and mad..

fuzzy what do you think I should do...
Does your wife give a reason why she wants you to stop reading that book?

Either way, I’d keep reading it ... let me know what you find

I’ve been eating more sugar this week

Do no harm. this is very important I agree.
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Old May 28, 2018, 04:35 PM
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Does your wife give a reason why she wants you to stop reading that book?

Either way, I’d keep reading it ... let me know what you find

I’ve been eating more sugar this week

Do no harm. this is very important I agree.


fuzzy I don't think she wants to hear anything more about human
suffering from me...when I read the book I tell her what terrible things
are happening to children...it upsets her I think..
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Old May 29, 2018, 03:38 PM
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(I’m putting on my fuzzy “therapist hat” )

How are you feeling today, little turtle?
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It’s so funny, some people might think I’m “up myself” whatever that means

Well, I think I may have proved those who thought I was “just a quiet person / child” .. not to be particularly insightful

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Old May 29, 2018, 05:43 PM
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(I’m putting on my fuzzy “therapist hat” )

How are you feeling today, little turtle?

I am not happy.....I don't feel secure...
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Old May 29, 2018, 05:46 PM
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It’s so funny, some people might think I’m “up myself” whatever that means

Well, I think I may have proved those who thought I was “just a quiet person / child” .. not to be particularly insightful

Love to you little turtle
what kind of person are you fuzzy..
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Old May 29, 2018, 05:50 PM
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I am not happy.....I don't feel secure...
My first thought was, to wonder what a GP (or even a shrink) would say to that....

Maybe the “best” response is to show either verbally or non verbally, that I’m actually listening to you ...

(Probably one of the worst responses to any expression of pain is...

“We all feel like that”.........

Or maybe another not so great response would be to appear to listen for 5 to 10 minutes and then increase the medication
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