Give me reasons why any person should not commit suicide

Ummmm....aren’t you the same Artchic who started the thread about how hurtful tough love is? how would you like it if you shared about being in pain and I told you that YOU were being “stupid and selfish”? Maybe you need to go give your post another read.

Please don't say that. In some cases depression and the things that cause it are only temporary. There are some of us on here that have been dealing with this crap (depression and suicidal thoughts) for decades & will be for the rest of our lives. That is not temporary. So for us suicide is a permanent solution to a permanent problem.

“Live for your pets” ?

No, allergic to all furry critters.

Others will miss you? Some might .. a reason I’m still here.

But I’m so ..... “selfish” ...

Some of the arguments against su are bs. Imo

Potential?

A good argument.. but not one I agree with. Everyone has potential, and most or all are intelligent



How many decades are people supposed to put up with this **** for?

When effective “treatments” are either not available or denied because of Cost.

I’m not saying I “believe” su is a “good idea”

But some doctors actually attempt to squash peoples “potential” .. UGH

(Rhetorical question)

Sorry.. sometimes people maybe need to be more “flexible” in their thinking

I agree.

And this isn’t an attack, but an observation

Dying from mental illness is selfish and stupid? Because that is what you are saying. It's okay to die from cancer, it's not okay to die from mental illness. Yet one more example of people invalidating the suffering that occurs from depression. It's bad enough to get these ignorant opinions from "normal" people, it's worse to get it from those who suffer with mental illness themselves. It is not okay to tell someone what their suffering and pain is worth or not worth.

VO: When I was severely depressed there was nothing anyone could say to convince me life was worth living, so I'm not going to rattle off reasons. I will say though that if you can battle through the depression, it is possible to get to a place where you see the reasons and your worth. Your pain is real. Your pain is valid. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

Suicide is not the solution to any problem.
"Life is not a problem to solve. It is a game to play."
So try to enjoy every moment of the life. That is possible only if you live in present moment.

I can see both sides, having been actively suicidal in 2012 myself and having also lost a friend to suicide.

My online friend who I lost, she lived in a different country to me so I was asleep when she needed me the most and I never forgave myself for that. If I'd been online when she was about to do it, she may have talked to me about it and not gone ahead and done it.

I also understand the pain that people are in when they feel bad enough to try, as I said I was actively suicidal myself a few years ago so I understand it.

Sometimes people have lived (or existed) with mental illness and intense suffering for decades or more... all the while fighting to remain alive and to have some sort of quality of life. So I’m not sure that this is necessarily “temporary” for as many as some people think

I do believe in the value of life...

“Actively suicidal” - not many would understand the “strength” of those who endure this for ... so long.. without “bothering” the “medical professionals”

And of course, without being “overly needy” or a “burden” to anyone..

I honestly don't believe that there's much to be gained by debating the rights/wrongs of this - it's too closely linked to personal situation/belief/perception.

Right / wrong

Black / white

I think there is some value in this debate (for one thing maybe some here are only now expressing their opinions)

But I agree, it’s very closely linked to personal situation/belief/perception

Thank you for saying this. I almost died due to suicide attempts CAUSED by medications I was taking that were supposed to HELP with depression. People who are depressed and commit suicide are suffering a cognitive distortion and see no way out. If they SUI that is a result of their illness, not of them being selfish and stupid. At the time of the particular attempt I'm thinking of, I was psychotic, brought on by prescribed medications. So I would have been selfish and stupid had I succeeded? When I literally was out of my mind? This is just a completely insensitive and cruel way of characterizing what happens to people with mental illness.

I also agree that it is possible to recover. For some people entirely, for me, it's not complete recovery, it's more of a remission or stabilization, but it's wonderful and I will take it.

I do appreciate the many viewpoints shared on this thread. I think for the most part it has been an honest and refreshing discussion of a thought many of us have at some point.

Seesaw

I didn't mention it in my original reply, but I do have another way of keeping myself alive on an hour by hour basis. As I said before, I've been sick both physically and mentally. Getting sick physically and going through all of the emotions that went with it, I learned that I will always have the option to die and it's in fact inevitable but I won't always have the option to live. The reason that this has kept me alive is because I'm stubborn and dead set on finding peace. I have to explore all of the ways to accomplish this while the option of living still exists because that's just how my mind works. To be honest, I feel I've tried near everything I can to get some form of peace, so this way of thinking might end up killing me after all.

Um...cancer ravages the body, physically breaking it down until one is incapable with life, unless treatment is done. Even then, it's not a surefire cure to the illness.

Mental illness, while it feels physical, is merely a chemical imbalance that is almost always cured to treatment.

To compare cancer to mental illness is like comparing apples and oranges. Two totally different parts of one's being.

Besides, cancer kills you by destroying your physical being, whether or not you want it to. With mental illness, it's a choice, and a selfish one.

I've seen three of my family members battle cancer and win, despite being on death's doorstep. To compare that horrible disease that I've witnessed slowly and cruelly ravage the body beyond recognition at times, to a mental illness that hardly ravages the body at all? It's very insulting to my family and myself.

It's okay to pass away, not kill yourself. One is a choice, the other isn't. I value life, and living and my family too much to want to hurt them with such a temporary solution to a fixable problem.

My mom died of cancer, so please refrain from your implication that I don't understand how cancer works.

You continue to assume that YOUR mental illness represents everyone's mental illness. Wrong.

When you say suicide is selfish, you are adding guilt onto the plate of people already suffering. They ask themselves further what is wrong with them. Why are they so weak and selfish and stupid. You are making their situation worse and all you seem to care about is your own opinion being heard again and again and again.

We get it. You don't understand depression and suicide. Your posts on this thread are not supportive or helpful. Why not move along.

Further more if this is the kind of "support" people receive here, I'm not sure this place is for me. I will not be back to this thread. I'm disgusted.

Wow.. this is a support thread...

I think people know this opinion already.

My uncle committed suicide. (removed method) It trumatized her and left a huge gaping hole in her life and that of their three kids.

Their daughter didn't have a dad to walk her down the Isle on her wedding day. Their son with downs syndrome was left confused on why his dad wasn't around anymore.

I suffered from severe depression since middle school, maybe earlier.

I was lured into a van by some man and offered beer when I was too small to really understand the danger. I don't have any memories of what happened next. Maybe I was assalted, who knows? All I know is that I've had issues with boundaries ever since.

I was mercilessly bullied in middle school to the point where I'd rather die than go face the ridicule at school. I was dealing with my budding bisexuality and the absolutely vicious rumors one girl spread about my female friends and I being sexual with each other. Not true, of course, but the damage was done. I couldn't go anywhere to escape the ridicule and snickering. I was the laughing stock at school. To this day I get instinctively/reflex ably upset when I hear someone laughing near me because of that incident.

I had isolated myself so much from that incident, that by high school I'd rather spend lunch time in the school library or if that wasn't an option, I'd eat lunch in a bathroom stall. I skipped lunch more often than not by hanging out in the library though, and as a result, it took a toll on my body. I would pass out if I stood up too fast and had no energy.

I was making plans to end my life after senior year when my uncle beat me to the punch, so to speak. It opened up my eyes. I saw the wake of people affected and realized that it wasn't all about my pain and suffering anymore. If I ended my life, I would cause a great emotional and financial toll on my family.

Then came the online obsession I had, the rejection, having my heart figuratively torn out of my chest and that was the scariest time in my life, I almost downed my supply of meds, I never was at such a low point such as that. I was chilled to my very core. Literally so numbed and chilled it frightened me.

I decided against suicide, the single smartest choice I've ever made, and called a hot line for help. Out came the mobile crises unit and I was taken to a mental heath hospital where I was evaluated. Thankfully, they deemed me mentally sound enough to be treated outpatient.

So please, don't assume I don't understand depression, suffering, or suicide. In fact, please refrain from doing that ever again.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I stand firmly by mine.

Please.. stop this argument.

I’m not going to visit this thread again, I don’t understand why some seem to feel the need to get the “last word”

Wow ................

Saying something like people who committ suicide or have suicidal impulses are selfish and stupid isn't a very supportive thing to be saying .............

I already said my piece further up in the thread so I'll back out of here now and go hide.

*slowly backs out of the thread before anything starts*

As you posted, I did check,

Ducks .....

Hugs (((( whispershadow )))))

What cancer does to someone physically, depression does psychologically. Breaks them down, changes the individual in ways they'll never really change back from and is determined to kill them. When I was sick, my body was trying to kill me while I was fighting to stay alive. With depression, my survival instincts are fighting to keep me alive while my depressed brain is trying to kill me. It's like one fight was mind vs body and the other was mind vs mind.

And no, there isn't always a cure to mental illness. Treatment doesn't help 100% of the people who suffer. For instance, not one single medication has helped my depression nor any kind of therapy. Same goes for my hallucinations and especially my PTSD. Yes, I'm still trying much like kept trying when I was sick and the tumor wouldn't go away. I've been told that my depression is treatment resistant. See the similarities?

I'm sorry this is insulting to you but, like you, I stand by my convictions. Cancer, mental illness, both are equally dangerous and tragic. And, much like seesaw, I've dealt with a psychotic breakdown that lead me to an attempt. I didn't have a choice. To say that I did is insulting to me. To say that my friend who took their life was "selfish and stupid" is insulting to me and my friend's family. It's not always a choice like you say.

Artchic, no one is denying that you are sick and hurting. Like many of us, you have been through very traumatic situations.

But you are misguided. Not all depression is curable. Not all is even treatable with meds. And addressing the problem through therapy is extremely difficult.

I have tried so many meds and nothing work. I was labeled treatment resistant. I tried transcranial magnetic stimulation, still didn't work. I did PHPs, IOPs, I did residential treatment, I DID EVERYTHING, and I read books, worked with therapists, worked with pdocs, nothing helped.

To say it's curable is ignorant. There is no cure for depression. There are some meds that help but they are not cures. We have no idea why one treatment works for one patient and not for another. That's like saying cancer is curable. It's not. It can go into remission, but it's not curable.

I'm not saying depression cannot be cured, but we don't know why it is cured for some and not for others. And as for your uncle, he succumbed to a mental illness. I am glad that you are determined this will not be your fate, but please don't judge people, especially here on PC, for not being able to do the same.