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Here bes some facts about DTD found under the DD-NOS description in the articles here on PsychCentral: Full article: http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx99.htm On that last point -- in other words, if you came from a Voudon family and experienced chevalier (being "mounted by the loa") during ritual, this would not qualify as DTD because (a) it happens in a controlled setting; (b) it has a specific limited duration; and most importantly, (c) it constitutes a NORMAL and ACCEPTED part of religious experience in Voudon culture. As seen by the above criteria, people with DDNOS and/or DTD can still present experiences symptomatic of (or similar to) DID, but with a few key differentials altering the Dx. ==================================================== Here bes an excerpt from the UK's online paper describing TPD (Trance Possession Disorder, same as DTD in the States). This one has probably the BEST (most clear, concise and ACCURATE) symptom list out there for DTD/TPD. (Malady has every symptom listed there so it KNOWS! ![]() OK excerpts: Trance and Possession DisorderFull paper here: http://www.psychnet-uk.com/dsm_iv/tr...n_disorder.htmPossession trance is characterized by a transient alteration in identity whereby one's normal identity is temporarily replaced (possessed) by a spirit, ghost, deity, or other person. The experience of being "possessed" by another entity, such as a person, god, demon, animal, or inanimate object, holds different meanings in different cultures and therefore the diagnosis for this disorder may be culturally bound. While possession is a common experience in many cultures, in Western industrialized cultures, such experiences are not the norm.
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This makes a lot of sense out of something that I have been trying to explain to my therapists for years. It is scary to see it in writing. Thank you for posting the stuff about Trances and Possession
![]() P.S. How come my reply is above post #31? Oh I think I get it I thought Malady's post 31 was a sticky (first post that always shows at the top). Sorry ![]()
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My boyfriend has related that I am having a distinct change in voice and personality at times. I am not aware of this when it is happening.
Severe amnesia means that one identity may have no awareness of what happens when another identity is in control. This is quite troublesome for me. If I am not aware, then how do I have any kind of control? Slick399 |
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Or, depending on the type of personality (human or not), a competent exorcist... HAH! good luck with THAT, they don't exist anymore. ![]()
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* please don't read this if discussion of spiritual beings taking partial control of a person triggers you. i am commenting on this here from discussion on another thread because i didn't want to trigger anyone there. *
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the reason i believe this does happen is because i've had demons cast out of me. i do have inner children but i don't have DID. i had ancestors who were into all kinds of bad things and the spirits (demons) got passed down to me in my generational lineage. i know how incredibly ridiculous this all sounds, but as they say seeing is believing. when i was first told this could happen i looked at the person who had said this like he had 3 heads, lol. less than 2 weeks later i believed what he had said was true. i'm a christian and all i can say is God made it very clear that this stuff was real and was going on with someone i knew who was exhibiting some very unusual behavior. turns out there was a reason i met this person as God later showed me a lot of my problems were similar to hers even though i didn't have the outward behaviors she did. i found out i had ancestors involved in a secret society and that was a big part of the problem. sadly, as malady mentioned there are some christian ministries who try to help those with demons who only make things worse or turn the process into a show and/or let the demons attack the person. the people i've gone to for help have been wonderful and very kind, compassionate and would never do anything to hurt or embarrass you (or let the demons hurt or embarrass you) and it's usually private and confidential. the whole process of getting the demons to leave can be downright boring as they are so good at doing it so gently! no joke. if anyone wants more info about this from a christian perspective feel free to pm me. i know of a number of ministries around the US and even abroad who do this in a gentle, compassionate way. also, from what i know most of these groups that work with DID do tend to work toward integration. i had an experience where a bunch of my inner children fused. but one could go to them for the demon issue and work with someone else for the DID if they don't feel comfortable with integration. Last edited by Anonymous39281; Sep 01, 2009 at 04:29 AM. Reason: clarity of terms |
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Thanks for the info. I'm sorry I reacted with shock and fear
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Calista....
![]() You have nothing to apologize for. Shock and fear are very human reactions and dissociative disorders are quite scary issues to deal with. It's all okay.... ![]()
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So we have DID, TPD, TPD inclusive of demon activity, and demonic infestation/inhabitation -- four separate matters here to be considered, each with its own unique blend of misery and hell for the sufferer, its own blend of aetiological causes and its own needs for a thorough treatment protocol. It gets messy because all four of these can bleed over into one another. It would be important in addressing the needs of those suffering to pinpoint exactly which elements bes present in their condition and which bes not, and treat them accordingly (this assumes of course a highly idealistic world in which properly blended psychospiritual therapeutic approaches could really exist and be viable and effective -- at this time we do not live in such a world). Quote:
Not going to diss or debate your personal experience here, but in Moriah's view all that "generational curse theology" happens to be completely false and a load of utter crap. It cannot be substantiated by a thorough study of scripture (mentioning this because you invoked a biblical template & milieu here) and not only that but it constitutes a total contradiction to more important and primary matters of that particular type of faith. BUT, this bes not the place to hash out theological debates. You can PM if you want to discuss this, but if you don't, no hard feelings. Quote:
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Sorry if this comes off harsh or anything, it has been even only just last week once again put through the wringer with the spiritual abusers coming out of the woodwork ... foul toxic nasty people all full of themselves thinking they bes God's righteous chosen thinking they has a right to malign the afflicted for their own comfort. ![]() ![]() ![]()
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i'll just ditto this ditto.
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[QUOTE]At any rate it has yet to encounter anyone who knows what they really bes doing in these situations and who will not resort to blaming the victim and throwing them away in frustration while lying and slandering them claiming they refused to "let" God get the parasites out or else they must have failed to "choose" to want to be healed, etc. It knows EVERY f/cking trick in the book used by these charlatans and it has scoured the freaking PLANET (well OK just the USA as it has no passport and no legal name to get one, long story) looking for any sort of indication that any of these people know what the frack they bes doing and NONE of them do. Hell, even the incompetent ham-handed idiots that tried to "help" 20 years ago would, in their worst abject failures, be more useful than anything going on out there today. Unless there bes some underground railroad it has not yet uncovered, LOL, doubtful.[QUOTE] forgive my asking but are you a christian? the reason i ask is because i'm wondering if they were trying to convert you. i'm not really sure how things would work for someone who isn't christian to try to go to one of these ministries for prayer. chances are they probably would try to convert a nonchristian because they would be concerned that if they did cast the spirits out and the person weren't then filled with the holy spirit then they would eventually end up with more evil spirits than they started out with. certainly, that is no excuse for abusing a person though! this would be something to discuss before the prayer starts and if the person didn't have any interest in becoming christian then they could simply bless the person with prayer for peace, etc. but not do the "deliverance" prayer. having said this, there might be some people who would pray for a nonchristian if they felt God lead them to. once the person experiences freedom from the spirits they might want to become christian. i know of a story where this happened but it was just a spontaneous thing where God told a guy to pray for a homeless man, he got free, and then became a christian. if this isn't what you've been dealing with then please just ignore all that. Quote:
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...crawling to touch the hem of the garment.............little mustard seed...............restored..........
. ((((((((((( Malady & Reflection )))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((Thank you)))))))))))))) .
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...crawling to touch the hem of the garment.............little mustart seed...............restored..........
. (((((((((((( Malady & Reflection ))))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((Thank you)))))))))))))) .
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My Stars, does this mean I'm not just depressed gad & panic & agoraphobic? and is this why the anti-depressants don't work? This is the first real information I've seen on this disorder because I just thought I was blacking out and having epileptic seizures...groan...now I have to start learning again how to manage things..thats ok I'm not doing a bang up job at it anyway ![]() |
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we are the souls of many yet we are one. now give me one single minded person that can understand that to those who accept us we are nicked name the borg from star fleet enterprize. at first we did not like it but its the closes example that I can give you for some one with MPD/DID when you heal and no longer afraid to share with each other. It doesnot matter what you call it it is what you make of it. a rose is a rose no matter what name you give it. we are a rose bush we each have our own color, our own smell, our own stage in life. It is only when we stop being frozen in time that we grow and learn from each other that we the borg will heal. Yet I am the first to say that I will run and hide giving the first oppertunity. Old age and healing is not for the weak of heart. hold fast to that which gives you the most strengh.
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Oh, no...this has occurred again.
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Toward more healing...time is our enemy now...but we are/I am no longer lost...there...for now.... . H.
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Thank you for this post, it explains alot!
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great info, Thanks for sharing.
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tHANKYOU.......REALLY CLEARED THINGS FOR ME
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This is aweome ty for sharing!
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Hello,
This has helped me to put things in prespective as to what I went through with....'He'sThem'..... Although I do believe he probably fits the Borderline Personality Disorder, I still am not sure. Thank you Precious One,
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in the past, I have become super aware of my surroundings, where I think This is ur life It's happening now and the people around me speaking..... their voices are fimilar and yet unknown at the same time. It's the oddest feeling and I don't like it at all.
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I really appreciate the initial post explaining the differences between depersonalization & dissociaitive disorders. It came at a time when I was trying to figure out what was happeneing to me, which fits into depersonalization.
I read a lot of things which stike me as pretty outrageous, but I don't comment. However, I'm not going to stop myself from having this reaction, b/c I'm horrified that some people on this thread are actually perpetuating demonic possession. People, it's 2010!!! You are basing this on religious beliefs, which are not facts. Science is fact, not religion. Religion can be a good thing if it helps one to get through a hardship, although spirituality can do the same. But religion isn't a good thing if it stifles scientific progression & further stigmatizes mental illness & everyone's perceptions of it. And, I know this is going to come as a stab in the dark to some of you, but... not everyone is a Christian. PEACE! |
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best to you fins |
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fins,
It's just my sense of humor, which is a good thing for one to have when one suffers from severe depression. ![]() |
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Please be aware that in a number of dissociative and schizophrenic like illnesses, religious and cult like activity play a huge role in some members lives. You may not have an understanding of how it does and that's ok, but please refrain from making negative comments that may trigger or hurt another member who suffers with this kind of problem.
This thread was created to help members understand the dissociative spectrum, not to debate one's belief system. Thanks for understanding! |
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