[Rhapsody]

As a DID suffer myself I am wondering if any other DID-ers have an issue with their alters holding a particular health/medical problem and the alter chooses when and if the problem will be active or even be able to be seen by the doctor when you go into to office concerning the matter?

I am asking because I think this maybe happening to me, but I am not sure, therefore, I would like to see what others may be dealing with in this area.

Thank you.

[Kiya]

Hey = haven't seen you in a while... I think this happens with us as well. But trying to document it is outrageous.
One prime example (and I know you are talking medical symptoms here) is that one our our alters is an alcoholic. Yet the body cannot tolerate alcohol well and it is detrimental to the body to have any. Yet, she drinks when she can. And she is fine. But once she switches out - we feel what she does not as the body struggles against the poison.
I know the littles have severe knee and leg aches but the adults do not... yet the adults have arthritis, but there's only 2 of them, so it is not often. Heck of a time expalaining my list of symptoms to the dr. @_@ There is a thing called PatientsLikeMe.com where you can track these things daily - helps me. But leaves the Dr saying "OK... what's the 5 WORST things?" lol and we have no answers for her because it would depend on who she asks
Good seeing you...
Kiya

Originally Posted by Rhapsody

As a DID suffer myself I am wondering if any other DID-ers have an issue with their alters holding a particular health/medical problem and the alter chooses when and if the problem will be active or even be able to be seen by the doctor when you go into to office concerning the matter?

I am asking because I think this maybe happening to me, but I am not sure, therefore, I would like to see what others may be dealing with in this area.

Thank you.

Hey Rhapsody.....What I have noticed over the years,with sreiously intense outpatient therapy, is yes. There was a time when I had different ailments at different times.The first time I asked "who is that" I got 33 different answers.From that point on,I had different symptoms when different parts were out or up or just there. I'll go through a few. alcoholism,started internally communicating to that person(talking to inside)I have not had a drink for over 10 yrs. That part has integrated.Bercitis in my shoulder and arthritis in my elbows(not documented)That part of me has been integrated.Elbows and shoulder are average now. The one ailment now,at hand,TBI or traumatic brain injury(been busted in the head many,many times)has just now surfaced.This is because I hear only three voices today.This happened only a few days ago and I am starting to relearn or get used to this change through talking to these voices inside my head.The syptoms of tbi came along with that too. The symtoms are ,or what I have, excrutiating headache followed by a loss of word.With 3 parts now,I was able to slow down,internally communicate with this 1 part, because I new it was him,ask another to take over and the headache left and I found the word I wanted to say.Again this is still new to me,but it works.Talk to the parts,alters whatever and ask what is wrong, then slow down,sit still and listen.......

[Rhapsody]

How does one get the correct treatment needed if the alter that holds the issue is not present when you go to see the doctor? - (ex like when they send you for test for a medical problem and she (my alter) has stopped the problem temporary, therefore, nothing is found.

I hate having to play tag with my alter or having to be sneaky with them in order to get the care my body deserves.

[Kiya]

No positive test results are ever found on us. EVER. So, I have a 4 year cough (deep, rattling) with clear lungs that have even been x-rayed... most dr's think I am a hypochondriac. My toes get chill blains living in mild climate (dr couldn't even see the swelling), all the aches and pains.... i have to just live with and try to monitor through attempting a gluten-free, anti-inflammatory diet (when the alters will follow it). The only thing that has been found over the years is the anemia. Otherwise, I'm "healthy as a horse" ... or now with my current god-sent dr, I have Adrenal Fatigue... which most PTSD and DIDers have because we've all been living in elevated levels of fight or flight.
(((((((((rhapsody)))))))))))))

[Rhapsody]

My alters are good at letting me speak up in the office (most of the time) and that is why I have been able to be dx with many of the health issues I have on me today..... but I hate when one of my dx is acting up and when I get to the office they (an alter) hide with the symptoms - leaving me and the doctor in the dark to what it could be.... hence why more testing is always a part of my life.... sigh.

How can an alter have such control over OUR BODY?
it just does not make sense that an alter can control both mentally, emotionally & dumb founded here - physically.... just doesn't make any sense.

[multipixie9]

rhapsody, i think that if you can find a doctor you can most all trust - then you will be able to communicate better with your doc. i have gone through that for many years in the past. i would have obvious symptoms at hom and then when i went to the doc, they disappeared completely to leave me looking and feeling like a jerk. it was many years before i was able to develop a relationship with a doc who was kind and courteous even when i was at my most difficult time periods - and i had some!

if you can talk to your inside family and explain what is happening and how it messes up your money plans and so many other negative things happen. the better i know my family inside the better we can handle my medical issues. i've never met one did'er who did NOT have medical issues.

you are not alone, things like this happen to many people. hang in there,

leslie

[Kiya]

Originally Posted by Rhapsody

it just does not make sense that an alter can control both mentally, emotionally & dumb founded here - physically.... just doesn't make any sense.

hun, my guess is that the alters (who are from a certain time period that is in the past but is the current present for them) exibit the symptoms also from that time. So when they go, the symptoms also go. Which is a relief in some ways.... i mean... the symptoms - tho real - are not permanent. when we heal the alters, chances are good we will heal the symptoms.

Originally Posted by Kiya

hun, my guess is that the alters (who are from a certain time period that is in the past but is the current present for them) exibit the symptoms also from that time. So when they go, the symptoms also go. Which is a relief in some ways.... i mean... the symptoms - tho real - are not permanent. when we heal the alters, chances are good we will heal the symptoms.

hey kiya,rhapsody-kiya your guess is what is happening to me right now.i am new to pc and this site is very good for myself. i hear four voices today because there is one part of me that i thought was ok but he is an old soldier and had to get rid of some garbage on another forum.his syptoms are ibs...the only music i hear today is the churning of my belly.this nausia is coming from him when he was nineteen.what i am doing right now, is slowing down,listening to him and let my three other parts console him.my three other parts are,two men and one woman....within the confines of this writing, my syptoms are slowly starting to disapate...thanks for the help

[JudeeB]

Great question.

I wear glasses and when a certain alter surfaces the first thing she does is take them off cuz she doesn't need them. When one of my four remaining is fully surfaced I don't feel the pain of arthritis in my knees either. One of them can be very depressed and I only feel a slight sense of it until she surfaces and then it's very painful.

So for me there are differences in each of our health issues.
Judy and Company

[pegasus]

Originally Posted by JudeeB

Great question.

I wear glasses and when a certain alter surfaces the first thing she does is take them off cuz she doesn't need them.

So for me there are differences in each of our health issues.

Judy and Company

Wow! Yes, thanks for sharing. Same for me with the glasses. I have to wear fairly strong glasses and yet some of my alts can see perfectly well without them!

[Kiya]

Sparrostail - we also deal with ibs. and it is hard for me to get the kid alters to eat well so that we all feel better. they want chocolate and soy ice cream and sugar... all of that makes it worse. Of course, they do not feel any of the discomfort - they eat it and leave - leave me to deal with their chaos. It is hard for them to understand why they can't have the goodies when they feel none of the reprecussions.

Originally Posted by Kiya

Sparrostail - we also deal with ibs. and it is hard for me to get the kid alters to eat well so that we all feel better. they want chocolate and soy ice cream and sugar... all of that makes it worse. Of course, they do not feel any of the discomfort - they eat it and leave - leave me to deal with their chaos. It is hard for them to understand why they can't have the goodies when they feel none of the reprecussions.

hey kiya,anybody heard from rhapsody?didnt rhapsody start this thread?oh well, i'm gettin a whole bunch outa this thread so i'm gonna keep on relaten.
i dont drink or do drugs-even meds.i have spiritual practice,herbs and a dialy exercise regime followed by a healthy diet.its just me,all of me and there hasbeen many days were i have spent in the fetal position and all i could do was/is talk to the voices in my head or internally communicate.my episodes have dramatically decresed in time as compared to when i started,with internal communication, everyday, along with my ibs.
i have been in intense outpatient therapy for over four years.
i see a doc and she sees me on a sliding scale because i do the work,and i show up even when she dosent.
now, my youngins turned into youngin and he has slowed down.
when i first started the work,i used to say(he used to say,through me of course)the best thing about being grown up is havin ice cream and m&ms for dinner,and i(we)did for a few years.gummi bears by the pounds(thats a big bag).
through internal communication,my youngin started to be under the care of my female part or internal adult supervision.i started eatin right.a healthy diet,inwhich rolled over to another part who is responsable.
the cause of d.i.d. is trauma of course.each of the parts has one or more
trauma related issue.i had to find the courage(spiritual)to stand up and face these traumas one at a time and i have and still am. my cramps and belly music are gone from earlier today because i new who had them and he is facing his traumas right now on another forum with trigger icons.
as i write again, progress.with a part on another forum, my eyes are finally starting to straighten.the part i am speaking of is a good guy. i terribly despise when he takes over the body.i am just willing to do whatever it takes....pain(emotional)is a heck of a motivater.

[Rhapsody]

Originally Posted by sparrowstail

anybody heard from rhapsody? didnt rhapsody start this thread? oh well, i'm gettin a whole bunch outa this thread so i'm gonna keep on relaten.

Me still here.... reading & learning from other DIDers as they post about their alters and related medical problems that surface with them.

Originally Posted by rhapsody

me still here.... Reading & learning from other diders as they post about their alters and related medical problems that surface with them.

:d

wwwwooooooooohhhooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wanttoheal]

This is an interesting thread. Thanks for starting it Rhap.

I have found for me that I do not relate to my body as far as pain. It always sits outside of me but I think it's because I don't relate to this body as my own. It's a real struggle for me to know when to go to the Dr or when to do things because if I just rely on feelings, they aren't there.

I do go to the Dr periodically because of not knowing what's going on with myself. I've been going to my Dr for about 10 years now and I think I've probably presented a lot of different sides to him while there since I rarely remember going. Because of that, maybe he's seen and taken care of things that I didn't even know I had going on. Unfortunately I don't seem to have enough awareness of that kind of thing to know if I or different parts of me have things going on.

T has said that some parts have different things going on but I don't know if it's body memory stuff or real pain/illness.

I think you all are doing well to know what goes on. Until I can get to that point, I hope that going to the Dr periodically for checks will suffice to figure out when/if anything is going on that needs to be taken care of. It's really cool to see how similar and different we all are.

[Rhapsody]

Needing to VENT!!!!

I am literally pissed right now because I feel as though an alter is purposely with holding vital symptoms I needed to happen over the last two week so my doctor could have the cardiologist decide if I need a pacemaker or not.... and the monitor I have been wearing goes back tomorrow with lots to look as far as my heart problems over all go, but not much for the cardiologist to go on with the pace maker issue.

Grrrrrrrrrrrr - I could strangle who ever is in control of this issue... as I am in so much freaking pain (have been for the last three months so WHY stop now) and I need relief from this life altering discomfort I am living with each and every day of my life.

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kiya]

Rhap, do you have a journal where all alters can communicate? Then you can put what you typed here in that and the others can read and answer and maybe you can get the info you need... =(

[Rhapsody]

Wondering...................... IF anyone else has this happen?
Their symptoms occur when you think about them... even if you have been fine for the last few hours.

This is happening with me and I am still trying to figure out if it is mere coincidence or an alter... not to mention that things have been fairly calm with my heart since the heart monitor was returned to the doctors yesterday.

[Rhapsody]

Another (thought / question) -

Why do our health issues go away when the alter does... its not like my damaged heart knows that its brokenness is being held by an alter and not by me... does the heart issue remain and I am just not aware of it at all times? - as my doctors have confirmed that I do indeed have problems in this area.

[Kiya]

Rhap - perhaps....perhaps the sensation does go away when the alt does.... or perhaps your heart is "broken"; a manifestation of the pain and devestation of life? Perhaps when that ultimate and original pain is mended, your heart will be too?
((((((((Rhap)))))))))))))

[Rhapsody]

Originally Posted by Kiya

or perhaps your heart is "broken"; a manifestation of the pain and devestation of life? Perhaps when that ultimate and original pain is mended, your heart will be too?

Believe it or not... I have been thinking the same thing and I have an inner feeling that when the doctors fix my broken heart then I will be better.

I personally believe the negative energy we hold inside will find a way out one way or another over time if it is not healed / properly dealt with..... and some times the energy comes out in physical ailments of the body.

[multipixie9]

you know, i have heard about alts with different health issues and i have to say that i never have had anything like that. there have been a ton of psychosomatic illnesses since i was 9 years old. i had a vicious, satanic teacher who was so bad to us children they fired her at the end of the year and it was a whole year too late for me. i missed 33 days of school that year and i was so scared of her i think i could actually think myself sick i was so desperate to escape what she was doing to me psychologically, physically,, sexually and spiritually. she was a monster. keeping secrets made me sick, in so many ways. i had nightmare secrets and they just ate me up inside. the pain in my life was overwhelming and no one helped me ever. i was so alone then and i am so alone now both times while living in a family. i am not sure that i can ever be physically free, it's been so long. i want to change, but it is so hard to change after all these years of holding in and holding back. and the body suffers but how can i turn a channel that has been flowing one way for 50 somethin years and need to turn it a different way.

[Kiya]

"but how can i turn a channel that has been flowing one way for 50 somethin years and need to turn it a different way. "

you know... i've been thinking abou that - having the same problems myself. and I started seeing all that "one way channel" literally as energy. It is REAL hard to go upstream, especially when not used to fighting it.
So, I had this image of just simply *stepping out* of the stream (standing on empty space), letting the stream surge past as it may, and walk the other direction. No need to go against it. Just step out of it.
My goal is to visualize that until it is real.
((((((((((((((all)))))))))))))))))))))

[Rhapsody]

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