[anxiety247]

Discuss. smh

[BeyondtheRainbow]

Nothing to discuss. SSDI is an insurance program we pay into while we are working. If we become disabled before normal retirement age it pays out once we are qualified as disabled. It is a benefit we paid into and earned.

I am not super familiar with SSDI but I do believe that is the one you pay into before receiving, and therefore it isn't like welfare. Did you mean SSI, perhaps? Either way, I feel there is far too much stigma on receiving welfare or disability. There is nothing wrong with using these services if we need them.

[anxiety247]

What I am referring to is the budget cuts that were announced and SSDI was a program to be cut and was considered a welfare program. With ppl losing the SSDI they would also lose their Medicare. Both programs paid into by weekly FICA contributions. Unlike SSI that is the welfare program of Social Sec funded by federal taxes.

[BeyondtheRainbow]

Where are you finding this? I've not seen this anywhere.

Thanks

[anxiety247]

Fast Forward to 23min 26 seconds in this video. It's Trumps Budget director speaking about the cuts and calls SSDI welfare

[anxiety247]

There are 3 parts to SS
Social Security Retirement
Social Security Disability Insurance
Supplemental Security Income

45 kept is promise and not touching the retirement portion of the program nor the Medicare but give an ax to SSDI - and that isnt a welfare program the money is paid into the Social Security Trust fund - that Paul Ryan and rest of the GOP have wanted to get there hands on for yrs. The cuts were very deceptive!!!
SSI - is funded by peoples taxes returns and is the real welfare program of SS. But no clear word if there is cuts to that program too.

[Perna]

What Donald Trump and Paul Ryan, etc. say/want/propose, etc. is not what will or even can happen. People pointing out pros/cons/etc. are just doing their job of looking at and researching the whole thing from all angles.

It's not really about the cuts as much as about where the money comes from/who pays taxes so who gets benefits. For example, I get my Social Security at my deceased husband's higher level than mine was (almost three times as much) but so does his ex-wife who did not work, the same amount! You can't have one person working, paying taxes and then, after he is deceased the two wives receiving twice as much as he was receiving when he was alive? That's partly why we have a problem. Not everyone receiving SSDI worked for it or put in as much as they are getting out, etc. Most people in this country do not pay ANY taxes but receive benefits. That can't work for long.

National Taxpayers Union - Who Pays Income Taxes?

[bronzeowl]

Whether it's welfare or not is irrelevant. Why do they want to cut programs that help people?

And er, I get welfare (SNAP and medicaid), we darn well do pay taxes. Most people on welfare programs DO pay taxes.

ETA: My mom pays more taxes than most (she's on SNAP) because she has to pay self employment taxes.

[reb569]

The budget won't pass as proposed, but the fear of many, including myself, is that the end budget will be seen as a win because many of the proposed cuts will be reduced, but the end result will still be painful for the homeless, working poor, mentally ill, physically ill as well as the "middle class". If anything remotely close to this budget or the proposed health care plan passes, the result will be devastating, especially to those who are already poor or ill.

[anxiety247]

I do not believe it won't pass either in it's current form. Medicaid would get hit twice. Under the healthcare bill then under this budget. They need to leave that alone. I just wish both parties could put differences aside and work on healthcare/budget TOGETHER!!

[cakeladie]

I kinda get upset over this. I receive SSDI. But I have also worked until my lupus prevented me from working.

My son's girlfriend is legally blind and she gets SSI. This upsets me because she was not born in this country and is not a US citizen. SSI is a form of welfare.

If you were married and married for 10 years before you divorced and never remarried you should be able to receive some of your ex husband's SS retirement but I was under the impression that if he remarried and he died you could not receive it his current wife would.

[anxiety247]

Yeah this whole thing is a mess. They need to cut back on the fraud and waste for sure. I see too many people taking advantage of notably SSI. Previous reports indicated a 1% fraud rate in SSDI claims (2014)

SSDI is for people who become disabled before retirement age. SSI is for people who become disabled before working age or before they're able to do a substantial amount of work. As someone on SSI I feel that I get judged more so than people on SSDI because I didn't pay into it. Society seems to have the view that you can control when your illness strikes or if it does at all. I can't say too much more without going into politics which is against guidelines but I really hope this doesn't happen and it was one of my biggest fears during the election.

I also receive SNAP but I need it, and I probably still would need it even if I got a job.

I don't understand wanting to take away from people who already have so little, are struggling to survive, or who suffered losses, such as health. It makes me sad for our country, shocked, and angry.

I don't see payments to those who can't work-or to those who have never worked-as any different from other types of 'welfare'. I pay taxes to subsidize the education of children for those who decide to have 6 kids. Childless people are paying for it just the same-how is that different than paying towards benefits for those who never worked? When you buy a bus ticket, you are paying for the bus driver's healthcare and the CEOs six figure salary. When we pay monthly insurance contributions, we are payig for the healthcare of others, for those who use it more.. Those who don't drive pay taxes to have snow removed from the streets. I don't see how paying a specific tax makes it makes a difference.

I think it does make a difference that certain things are labeled welfare while others are not. A portion of most every dollar we spend or earn, goes to someone else's benefit, including the very rich.

Safety net programs: About 10 percent of the federal budget in 2015, or $362 billion, supported programs that provide aid (other than health insurance or Social Security benefits) to individuals and families facing hardship. Spending on safety net programs declined in both nominal and real terms between 2014 and 2015 as the economy continued to improve.

It's a bit OT but I wanted to say something about welfare benefits for mothers. Some people are under the impression that there are still women who are having multiple kids, collecting checks and just sitting around. The system used to be like that, but not since 1996. Now, in order to receive Families First benefits, the parent must be working or actively looking for work, or enrolled in school...and there is a 5 year cap on it per the lifetime of the parent.

The only exception to this is if the parent is already on SSI or SSDI, then they don't have to fulfill the working requirements and there is no cap(and it's not that much money. about $200/month if you already have income).

Of course this doesn't apply to SNAP. I meant cash benefits , because some seem to think there's people out there having kids to make a living. Um, no.

[Rose76]

SSDI is not welfare. It is not a benefit that is given out based on "need." If Brad Pitt or Julia Roberts became disabled, either one of them could collect SSDI . . . regardless of how many millions of dollars they had in the bank.

SSDI is simply when you take Social Security early because you can no longer work due to disability. SSI is welfare provided by the federal government. It is "means tested," meaning you have to be poor to get it.