Interesting video...some narcissists CAN be self-aware

It all makes sense. It's just that what your trying to gain is not to be found with the questions your asking.

A psychopath once told me that Narcissists are easy to fool because all one has to do is keep telling them how wonderful they are and just give them their narcissistic feed.

It gives them what they often did not get when they were children.

Hmmm, interesting response thanks for the revelation

Funny that you reference a psychopath. I guess it's sorta like playing with Fire, eventually you get burned. Same as playing with a narcissist, stick around long enough no matter with what tactic and they will have you defeated one way or another. Not condoning it just calling it as it is. I think that people here are becoming too relaxed in their thought process. I keep seeing how it seems so simple to pick certain personality types out from all areas of the spectrum. Sure we can spot certain types more easily than others but do you really believe it's that simple to know a person with NPD or ASPD?? These types will have you thinking something completely different then what is truly there. The charm, charismatic people they become are not so easily spotted whether your a pro or not. The truth is some people have a gift of giving others what they need because they are caring and giving then there's the ones who will give you the same just to bring you into a place where it's nearly impossible to leave. To say you can tell the difference from the two is definitely not true. At least not during the time of gaining trust, respect, love, admiration and so on. When one sets their mind to a goal with a disorder like myself it overwhelms me to make sure I get it done. I don't give in or give up I figure ways in becoming what's needed to gain the end result. I can be your best friend ever and at the same time I really couldn't care about you. Sick or not sometimes it's for fun, to prove a point or because you can do something for me. All these people that have been on "my" path may have been hurt or think I'm an #%sho$3 but their not looking for a diagnosis to understand me. So to say that a narcissist can be petted and tamed is like saying the same about a wild animal in the zoo. A zoo keeper is sooner or later getting mauled no matter how much experience they have.

But what the animal doesn't know is that it's in its best interest to not maul the zookeeper because they will end up getting put down by something they have no power over.

Tamed by the world, not tamed by any one person.

The whole beauty of this is that we're not an animal that's waiting to be euthanized when something happens. We simply move on to the next or just continue the same. Either way we keep going. I like the thought of the analogy just doesn't work in this case.
The zookeeper has power over the animal (mostly)
We have the power always
Animals Aren't thinking of what's next
We are

You make it kind of sound kinda like an endless/pointless fistfight with the waves of the ocean

I understand what you're saying though

It's assumed power fueled by arrogance too though at times, right? Doesn't it ever lead to biting off more than you can chew eventually?

I mean, the same goes for you too...at one point or another, you run into someone who manipulates you.

Think of yourself going through the motions and through all the building and crumbling and building and crumbling of their opinions....you're close to them or you're at a point that you are somewhat satisfied with your position. Now you find out a new detail that puts you in the seat as the manipulated. You are the one who has been fooled and handled all without even noticing.

It happens, it has to. There's always going to be something above us in the food chain. It's nature and it's just a matter of time until we meet it.

Perspective provides more power than reality does, I think.

lol, I'm an idiot Kinda lost focus and ignored the obvious there... We all manipulate to gain what we want whatever we get off on, we find a way to get it one way or another. The only difference is whether or not our efforts are conscious or unconscious. Like you said, "we keep going"...but that doesn't just apply to you or people like you, it applies to everybody. Everybody continues to seek what they want, being the victim of somebody is just one of the obstacles in anybody's path.

Everybody is resourceful and able to get what they want (or what they need, I should say) People are amazing lol

For me personally: yes. I am at a point in my life where people in my immediate environment know who and what I am. I admit fault simply because of what you said: it is in my best interest. But no two ways about it, I can admit fault just fine, I just don't give a **** like an earlier post said. Heh. But admitting that I've done something "wrong" tends to win more "friends" than "enemies" even if admitting said "wrongs" is purely for my own personal gain.

This is an excellent post. Well said.

That still amuses me when I think about it. Hahahahahah!

I was not diagnosing, just sharing what a psychopath said to me and he explained what he saw as the weakness, something I had not contemplated that way myself tbh. I had never expected to even have that kind of conversation either. A predator tends to instinctively look for weaknesses, they get pretty good at it, it's how they thrive.

Yes, you probably "do" get things done, but you still have your challenge, a certain internal suffering, that is what I think about helping a person "fix" somehow. If you get things done, you must be smart/gifted in some way, it's sad that you would suffer, and for you in particular, sad in how you arrived to be that way. You just did what you could to survive in spite of how you grew up. Sure, when someone wants to love you, they will pay the piper for the ones that should have long ago but didn't. As Humans, we adapt the best way we can, we are designed to be that way to thrive.

It just plain hurts too much to love, better off avoiding and detaching. I experience that but in a different way. The desire for detachment goes deep too, and there is definitely a "hurt" involved, better not push it because all one gets is a whole lotta anger.

"Some" narcissists are self aware, oh, I think they are all very self aware and are "the" most important. Narcissism runs on a spectrum, we have to have some narcissism "importance of self" to thrive. So, in that NPD is that of complete self aware/self absorbtion, they don't think about others, it's all about "them". Their children "do" suffer as the child "must" be a certain way to "please" them or the child is not good enough. The world revolves around "them". Yet, often this is where they got stuck developmentally if they were a child that grew up with poor nurturing.

So to say that a narcissist can be petted and tamed is like saying the same about a wild animal in the zoo. A zoo keeper is sooner or later getting mauled no matter how much experience they have.[/QUOTE]

I have to disagree with you on that statement, underground. The world is not black and white, extraordinary things happen, that defy logic. That can happen even to humans...though it's rare...people with personaility disorders can be affected/change. BUT....I have to be honest and say that I'd rather tame a lion than someone with a personality disorder....too much work with unexpected results

Check out my pictures with wild animals...LOL http://forums.psychcentral.com/album.php?albumid=4547

I have to disagree with you on that statement, underground. The world is not black and white, extraordinary things happen, that defy logic. That can happen even to humans...though it's rare...people with personaility disorders can be affected/change. BUT....I have to be honest and say that I'd rather tame a lion than someone with a personality disorder....too much work with unexpected results

Check out my pictures with wild animals...LOL http://forums.psychcentral.com/album.php?albumid=4547

Part of my issue is ONLY SEEING IN BLACK AND WHITE no other shades.
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Black and white thinking is for the most part boring, but humorous to exploit every now and again.

“Even though friends say they are interested in your life, they never really want to talk about you as much as you want them to.”
― Charise Mericle Harper

That quote is absolutely not true, hahaha. Tell us more, I'd love to hear from the epitomes of mediocrity

You see, it's easy to exploit the world if you condense the big picture into only a picture of you



I do admire you for adding a bit of variety to this world after all, we are talking here right now, aren't we?

Lots of people hate you guys and even some love and idolize you I don't really get either viewpoint though, I think you're just a couple more people dealing with the average hand they've been dealt but there's beauty in that also, just look at how you've used those cards to get to where you are

But wait, where are we? Where are you? I don't know, it doesn't matter. You're ants and I'm an ant too lol



Gosh, these emotes are perfect look at this next one!!!

that reminds me of you guys!!! I think it's art in and of itself to observe a painter admiring his work kinda boring though too after a while

I think more narcissists should write autobiographies...they'd probably be best sellers

Had a random idea...I thought it could help you guys out in your future conquests

I made these for you two

This one's for Underground



This one's for Atypical_Disaster


It's probably obvious to you guys...but you basically just have to send them out to all your friends via email or text image they'll know what to do from there

Both of those totally made my day! Hahahahahahah!

Tell that to Underground.

I wish I was a narc and a psycho, so I wouldn't have to deal with horrible emotions.

I have the power to make people feel great, just another winning personality trait. Lol.... On to the book as I have already spoken about. I really should do it as I would get paid and nothing less than a New York best seller(#1 in fact). Maybe the title could be "MEME". Nice job crab legs, definitely enjoyed the humor to a certain extent.

A certain extent, exactly.

Oh you poor dear you must need a hug!



Narcissists have emotions just like anyone else, they are simply buried.

Psychopaths don't have the emotional range of a normal person, I don't feel much of anything outside of fleeting cold rage, amusement, and the thorn in my side that is behind most of my antisocial antics: boredom. Pfft.