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Old Mar 17, 2005, 01:04 AM
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Very good post. I think it is interesting. It makes you think.

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Old Mar 17, 2005, 01:07 AM
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It wasn't directed to any one person. I'm in agreement with Wants2Fly because I recognize many different people at many different times, myself included. I'm choosing to take it as a wake-up call to all of us.

There is some humor in it for me, because I use humor to carry me through the difficult times, but I don't think it was meant to be humorus. There's too much truth in it.

As for the "black or white" statement, I agree with the author. Both are faulty. Right now it escapes me what it has to do with the original post. 10 Ways to Get Endless Attention It doesn't matter to me, though. It was still a brilliant statement, IMHO.
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Old Mar 17, 2005, 02:17 AM
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You alright hon? I agree with ya, hope I didn't do anything to offend you. You can call me on it if I did. Maybe you should call people more often on it, if it's the reason you got upset. I'm sorry it put you in a bad mood. :<
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Old Mar 17, 2005, 07:59 AM
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The thing about black and white refers back to my response to ww where I made the original obsevsation about divisions amongst ourselves. I liked the original post and how thought-provoking this all has been. I think it brought out the best in all to put our minds to use chewing the fat over that list. Maybe I injected philosophy just to please myself because I enjoy the subject.
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Interesting thread. I have to agree with Tomi... I think that most of us are guilty of at least one of these. I know without a doubt that I am. Thanks for the wake up Wants2.

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Old Mar 17, 2005, 08:49 AM
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Very good post Wants2, I myself see this as a wake up call, if this offends anyone then maybe it's time to reevaluate yourselves and see why ? We are always quick to attack when we are forced to see our faults. Find the humor in the post and see how to improve yourself if you see you in it.
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I guess I disagree with most posters. Is putting others down a new way to boost self-esteem? I sure hope not.

I find this thread to be pretty cruel.

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Old Mar 17, 2005, 10:55 AM
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I'm sorry you feel that way em. You certainly are entitled to feel that way. I must have missed the background behind this post... if there is one. Some seem to think there is. I can only speak for myself, but I try to look at it as a way to better myself since some of those things seem to fit me.

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Old Mar 17, 2005, 10:56 AM
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I believe this form of humorous exaggeration is called "parody"? Hope I have that right.

I am a writer by trade, and I'm glad that I've brought a smile to some of you. And reasons to think about our funny and sometimes self-defeating behaviors to others. Or both.
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Old Mar 17, 2005, 11:42 AM
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Because I am receiving PMs asking if this list is about the sender, or someone the sender knows -- let me do the best I can to make this clear:

Writers take bits and pieces of reality and shape it into word products. Poems. Stories. Novels. Humor. Journalism. Just as songwriters and artists do, in other media. The list uses exaggeration to parody self-help advice lists.

This list pertains to me as much as it may to anyone else. I have been a victim to the extent that I've had two people leave my life telling me that they couldn't and wouldn't take it anymore. I suspect others ditched me for the same reason, but without telling me why.

I have been accused of refusing to take responsibility for my life and blaming others for situations I create for myself.

I absorb myself in "helping" others when I should keep my focus on myself. I allow myself to get sucked into other people's games and cons, so that I don't have to look at my own!

I have blind spots that I am reluctant to look at. I go to counseling and do the best I can with that -- but a blind spot is exactly that. It is a place within oneself that one resists admitting is there at all costs -- even when one is hurting oneself by denying the wound exists.

I have spent my lifetime apologizing when I didn't think I needed to in order to "smooth things over" and make life easier and more pleasant for others. For just this one time in my life, I am not going to assume the burden of anyone else's interpretations, assumptions, and inferences about what the list "means." If you think it is mean or evil or in bad taste, those judgments belong to you. The list is your mirror.

I am not going to be responsible for your thoughts and emotions, just this once. I am not going to apologize for doing what a writer does -- write.
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Old Mar 17, 2005, 12:10 PM
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If you think it is mean or evil or in bad taste, those judgments belong to you. The list is your mirror.

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I agree that my judgements belong to me....of course. But to say that if we think the list is mean spirited, that it's a mirror....well...that's just inaccuate. The list is not so all inclusive, imho.

That's sorta like saying, if you disagree with me, you suck. Can't I just disagree? I haven't found myself to be a big attention seeker on this site, have you?

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Old Mar 17, 2005, 01:03 PM
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Post 128008</font><blockquote><div id="quote"><font class="small">Quote:</font>
Wow - it never occured to me that this could have been written about a specific user. In fact, I didn't realize that it was an original post. Actually, I made the assumption that it came from another source, and was just copied here! But now that I look again, there is no author, so I guess it IS original?? If so, it sure was a lot of work.

Isn't it funny how different people interpret things differently? Take care, Emmy

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I guess I disagree with most posters. Is putting others down a new way to boost self-esteem? I sure hope not.

I find this thread to be pretty cruel.

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I'm completely confused. (a) You have posted 2 different points of view.

(b) I have not "put others down." The list is impersonal. You have accused me, in a public forum, of starting a thread that is "cruel," a character attribute often associated with slave holders and child abusers.

In response, I suggested that a person who uses words to shame another person in a public forum look in a mirror. From that you made another emotional leap to accusing me of having told you that you "suck" -- a word I don't use, because it derives from a particularly vile scatology.

With great forebearance, I still am not making any judgments about your opinions of me and what I write.

Again, I must counsel you to look in the mirror.
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Old Mar 17, 2005, 01:22 PM
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Its a neat post if it was out of the blue. Almost everything in it tho is from the lecture some have been giving someone in a new forum here. So in that point of view it did seem like a dig or a shot to me as well. The two different view points could be from that. If it didnt so closely follow the other thread and seem like a subtle jab to one in particular it wouldnt be so bad. Imagine if after you posted the zing after 50 thread someone wrote a humorous thing in general about people who use words like zing and basically called them drama queens/kings. Would you not see it as cruel?
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Old Mar 17, 2005, 01:25 PM
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I would see it as an opportunity to examine why I was making such a big deal out of "zing." Thanks for remembering what I wrote, though.
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Old Mar 17, 2005, 01:32 PM
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Wow thats great then. You seem to have a lot of self control and the ability not to take things personally then. Not a common trait among the mentally ill 10 Ways to Get Endless Attention I know if i felt this was connected to me id probably say things id really regret and in the process of "standing up for myself" alienate myself even more. Maybe i should have used an example that you were more sensitive to but alas i dont know you very well so im afraid id choose the exact wrong one.
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Old Mar 17, 2005, 02:07 PM
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I found this post amusing. I didn't find it a parody about anyone at all, but a funny nudge about life in general. I hope everyone finds peace here.

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Old Mar 17, 2005, 02:27 PM
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Great post Wants2. It certainly gave me perspective, and I can pick out a few people in my life that often try to 'victimize' themselves.

Thank you for the fresh perspective!

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Well..since I don't know what apparently happened between some other members on other threads, this is just my straight opinion...

I thought this is so true, and could apply to all of us here, at some point in time. We may not mean to do it, but whatever we type just comes out. I think anybody here has done this at least once, and if you don't think so, whoops, can't make everyone happy.

Isn't all we want sometimes is a little bit of attention?
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Old Mar 17, 2005, 03:51 PM
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Wants2, look down, Hun. You're not only flying, you're SOARING! 10 Ways to Get Endless Attention I know I don't have as much self-control as you do at this time. Do The Strutt, Lady! You need to be so very proud of yourself. 10 Ways to Get Endless Attention
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Wow, Tomi sure said it. You definately are handling yourself like a pro. I am bery much enjoying your thread and the comments and rebuttles that are going on. Not to say that anyone here is wrong, but if you step back and observe the pro/con threads, it makes for some interesting reading.

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Any difference in my two posts would be due to my following up on something AG said. I followed a hunch regarding what started this thread. Once I found the thread she was referring to....my opinion changed.

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Wow, what an interesting remark Em. Not a slap or anything, but it seems to associate with #7.

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Old Mar 17, 2005, 05:02 PM
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I wasn't going to initially do this but have since changed my mind since this thread is continuing. I invite you all to read the thread that I will be giving you the link to. It's in the new Self-Esteem forum and started by wants2fly. The initail subject of the thread, which is fine and totally unrelated, was shortly thereafter transformed into something entirely different, something that very often happens. FYI, neither threads are about me, which I'm sure some of you have wrongly assumed. I merely am standing up for the person that this thread is about, regardless of what intent is told here.

I like wants2fly. I supported her on her other thread and you will see that should you choose to read it. I've supported her many times as she has me. I have absolutely nothing against her personally. She's obviously hurting very much and I fully recognize that fact and have given her support in both threads. So, should you choose, please direct yourselves to the link I provide and please read the entire thread. Page 5 is IMHO proof of the origin of this thread but it would be more informative to read the thread from it's conception. I PM'd wants2 last night and as of this point she has chosen to not reply my PM. I can understand that she is probably hurt/angry with me right now, she may choose to never speak to me again and for that I will be truly sorry because I've always liked her. I just can't idley sit back and watch any one specific poster, regardless of who they are being ridiculed by another. I agree that what she wrote was in a parody form of what can be found elsewhere, which I had already read the original source prior to this thread being written. I also agree that many, including myself, can find some truth in what she presented. But I don't agree in what I firmly to be her motives. I know I'm not alone in my thoughts. I want to thank em for being the only one brave enough to agree with me in public. So, thanks em, it was a brave thing for you to do. I'm sure me expressing my viewpoint in this thread will bring me further ridicule from others on this site and so be it. You can think of me what you will but at least I know that I am willing to stand up for another poster on this site.

So, please, read this other thread starting at it's conception and pay close attention to the posts by wants2fly within the thread and particularily page 5 when you get to it.

If you still feel that this thread is posted without any connection to the link, then so be it. I personally don't.

Wants2fly, I'm sorry sweetie. I know you are hurting and I fully support that and have in both threads. If I'm wrong in my opinion then I'm deeply sorry but after reading what you said in that other thread, which I had no problem with had you left it at that, and then posting this thread, I have a different viewpoint than the one to which you are presenting to everybody else here. I wish you absolutely NO harm, which I wish for everyone on this site. I also regret that it appears that standing up for one poster is at the detriment of a friendship I had with you.

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Oh, you are both correct - I am simply an attention seeking lover of scatology. Wowsa. I'm outta this thread.

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P.S. "suck" IS slang, ...having nothing to do with scat. Yucky.
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As I said, that wasn't a slap, but if that's how you want to take it then go ahead. There was a reason I put that "not a slap or anything" comment in there. I really meant it. I'm sorry if you took it the wrong way. I really am.

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