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Old Dec 01, 2010, 04:50 PM
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So since our truancy case with our son went to court, my husband got let go of 2 jobs and had his apps rejected. We thought he got let go because of his Crohn's. Well the last job he was escorted out like a criminal. So today, that job we were waiting on to call called and said something did'nt checkout in the background check. So we got a look at it and it's because the truancy charge is listed as "unlawful transaction with a minor"!!! Well it ain't no damn wonder he ain't gettin no call backs! I called the county attorney in tears because that charge makes me and my husband look like child molestor or like we been getting kids drunk and high. He said "You need to get a personal attorney" I told him how can I do that without income? He hung up on me. So, I called legal aid and they can't do anything otherthan exspongement (sp?) and that's only after 5 years. I am so ANGRY at this system. My bro-in-law just got out of prison after serving time on a 2nd off. manufacturing meth charge not to count the domestic bttery and other drug charges and guess what? He got a job the 3rd day he was released. He lives at home with no bills and spends his effing pay on booze and pills. And here we set with 2 kids light bill due the 5th no money no christmas money and a truancy charge being treated like drug criminals or child molestors. This just makes me sick!!
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Old Dec 02, 2010, 07:14 AM
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Hi ~ I would go down to that Legal Aid lawyers office and SPEAK to that joker in person. You don't deserve to be treated like that for one thing, and for another, "expungement" can't be the only way this can be handled. This wording is all wrong. Your son is the truant, right? All the idiots have to do it change the wording on the charges!!! Your HUSBAND didn't do anything wrong!! This makes it sound like HE is the one that is being charged.

Talk to the lawyer and find out how that can be changed so that your husband isn't looking like the guilty one. (be respectful even tho you're madder than hell). Tell him that because of THEIR WORDING your hubby can't get a job.

I wish you the best of luck ~ God bless. Hugs, Lee
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Old Dec 02, 2010, 01:26 PM
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actually you can file this request yourself.
FYI-many states, if not all, charge the parent with a minor child if he/she commits a crime, etc. it's to make parents accountable for their minor children. however, i too can see your point about the wording but often times it's written per the charge in a legal way. over generalized in your case, imho.
if your hubby at least gets an app in the meantime i believe he should bring it up to clear the air with the propective employer or attach a letter for why it's on his background info and put it with his resume when he applies for a job.
sorry so much is going on with you right now. hope some relief comes, TB.
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Old Dec 02, 2010, 03:36 PM
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Thanks Lee and Madisgram
I was talking to a good friend of mine last night. He owns a computer business. And without telling him it was me I asked what would he do is one of his new hires had that on his/her backround check? He said "I would fire them on the spot. Murder looks better on your file than anything with unlawful and minors in it, I see that and I think of 'To Catch a Predator'". He's got a point
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Old Dec 02, 2010, 05:20 PM
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For one.. I would draft a letter that explains the actual charge for your husband to take to the next job interview. If there is a backgorund check then he can prempt the problem by explaining it. Not ideal but unless you can get it changed that would be better than not getting jobs

Also... call your state representative (whatever they are called in the US) and demand assistance somehow. Call the local newspaper and let them know what is happening. For pete sake... truancy? That is just skipping school, isn't it? ANd they charge people with that in criminal court? Omg... what a f**ked up system.

There are societies that fight for legal rights, etc... try researching those, or maybe someone can suggest one here... talk to the school maybe... explain what their brilliant logic is now doing to the family.

i am so sorry thunderbear... what a crappy situation
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Old Dec 02, 2010, 06:12 PM
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For one.. I would draft a letter that explains the actual charge for your husband to take to the next job interview. If there is a backgorund check then he can prempt the problem by explaining it. Not ideal but unless you can get it changed that would be better than not getting jobs

Also... call your state representative (whatever they are called in the US) and demand assistance somehow. Call the local newspaper and let them know what is happening. For pete sake... truancy? That is just skipping school, isn't it? ANd they charge people with that in criminal court? Omg... what a f**ked up system.

There are societies that fight for legal rights, etc... try researching those, or maybe someone can suggest one here... talk to the school maybe... explain what their brilliant logic is now doing to the family.

i am so sorry thunderbear... what a crappy situation
Thanks little rhino
The truancy in my case was that here, in a school year, a child is allowed 7 un-excused absences, my 8 y/o had 8 days. Only 1 over the limit. I told the county attorney when I called him yesterday, that I am not saying that I was'nt guilty of truancy, yes my son had 8 days, but the charge should be contributing to the truncy of a minor like when I went to school not unlawful transaction cause it sounds dirty. But would'nt listen. I e-mailed Kentucky's Attorney General and a county attorney from a differant county, who is the one who supported using the charge for truancy back in '07. We ave been e-mailing back and forth on this and hopefully he can hlp. He did'nt know such a charge would be veiwed as this.But really how could he not? Next step is what you said. This whole thing is ridiculous.
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Old Dec 02, 2010, 06:28 PM
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And to give you guys an idea of the spectrum of 3rd unlawful transaction with a minor here a news story from Nov. 8th, 2010 from our ABC station's local news.
http://www.wlky.com/r/25670947/detail.html

Now, why would they charge our truancy as the same thing as this creep
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That is so unbelievable. What is even moreunbelievable is that these attorneys that dreamed up using this lable for truancy didn't guess how this would sound to everyone else. Best keep the nasty stuff completely sepaate, because any term that gets used for them becomes unusable for anything else. (think of the poor word "intercourse") I really am pulling for you guys. Hang in there. HUGGGS
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Old Dec 05, 2010, 12:31 PM
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That is so unbelievable. What is even moreunbelievable is that these attorneys that dreamed up using this lable for truancy didn't guess how this would sound to everyone else. Best keep the nasty stuff completely sepaate, because any term that gets used for them becomes unusable for anything else. (think of the poor word "intercourse") I really am pulling for you guys. Hang in there. HUGGGS
We had the company that turned him down for employment mail us a copy of the background check they based their decision on. Well, the place that did the check had my husband's name and info and this is what it looked like
***CODE YELLOW-MEDIUM RISK***
Reason follows:
Unlawful Transaction w/ a minor in the 3rd degree
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No wonder they did'nt hire him! So I called the testing company and at first they tried to say he was'nt hired because of a cold-check back in 96. Then the guy finally admitted they put that color code thing on all charges concerning minors. We sent an e-mail to the work-place. Have'nt heard from them. We'll call tomarrow. We showed my ex-con bro-in-law the background check and his exact words: "We used to look for this kind of charge in the yard"
Thanks loneangel for your kind words and support. I really need it
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Old Dec 05, 2010, 02:41 PM
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TB, he didn't knowingly assist your child. could this be used to defray the charge as it is stated now? see (c).
530.070 Unlawful transaction with minor in the third degree.
(1) A person is guilty of unlawful transaction with a minor in the third degree when:
(a) Acting other than as a retail licensee, he knowingly sells, gives, purchases or procures any alcoholic or malt beverage in any form to or for a minor. The defendant may prove in exculpation that the sale was induced by the use of false, fraudulent, or altered identification papers or other documents and that the appearance and character of the purchaser were such that his age could not have been ascertained by any other means and that the purchaser's appearance and character indicated strongly that he was of legal age to purchase alcoholic beverages. This subsection does not apply to a parent or guardian of the minor;
(b) He knowingly induces, assists, or causes a minor to engage in any other criminal activity;
(c) He knowingly induces, assists or causes a minor to become a habitual truant; or
(d) He persistently and knowingly induces, assists or causes a minor to disobey his parent or guardian.
(2) Unlawful transaction with a minor in the third degree is a Class A misdemeanor.
Effective: July 15, 1986
History: Amended 1986 Ky. Acts ch. 286, sec. 7, effective July 15, 1986. -- Amended 1984 Ky. Acts ch. 382, sec. 21, effective July 13, 1984. -- Amended 1978 Ky. Acts ch. 219, sec. 11, effective June 17, 1978. -- Created 1974 Ky. Acts ch. 406, sec. 263, effective January 1, 1975.
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Old Dec 06, 2010, 02:37 PM
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TB, he didn't knowingly assist your child. could this be used to defray the charge as it is stated now? see (c).
I was thinking the same thing. But a lawyer I talked to said it did'nt matter. I also learned from him that Kentucky overuses that charge. He said here, if you put a child in a boat without a life jacket you get that charge. Or if you're riding a bicycle and bump into a kid's back bike wheel you can get that charge. It's ridiculous. The lawyer told me it's a lost cause then I started telling him how the county atty. laughed at us would'nt let me talk, smirked and what a a-hole he pretty much was the lawyer changed his tune then he wants to see the tape of the hearing and all the papers. But I don't have the $35 for all that pus legal fees....So I don't know.
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Old Dec 06, 2010, 03:04 PM
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TB, so sorry this has happened to you all. kty really has a broad spectrum for that one charge. shouldn't encompass those many things, imho. wish you could go toe-to-toe with the county attorney.
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Can you get him to do it in lieau of payment if your husband gets hired if the charge is changed?
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Old Dec 06, 2010, 08:25 PM
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Can you get him to do it in lieau of payment if your husband gets hired if the charge is changed?
I was thinking of asking him that....but you know how lawyers are. But if I don't ask I won't know
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Old Dec 10, 2010, 10:37 PM
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I must admit this is not a "get out of jail" card its just that as an early childhood educator and researcher what is happening to your family is intergenerational dysfunctionality, not a legal or mental health issue.

In 1972 the Carolina Abecedarian project was set up to see why people who had problems seem to pass them onto their kids generation after generation. The answer was very clear it is the first four years of a child's life. Domestic stress, TV on all day, arguments, drinking, drugs, low income, welfare dependency etc.etc.

Your country and mine know how to fix this crap but the banks stuffed up the whole game with their greed and sent the USA down the drain. Remember too that the USA has one of the largest unemployment rates in the world for a modern economy, your guy is not the only one out of work.

The Abecedarian Project

The Abecedarian project was a carefully controlled scientific study of the potential benefits of early childhood education for poor children. Four cohorts of individuals, born between 1972 and 1977, were randomly assigned as infants to either the early educational intervention group or the control group.
  • Children from low-income families received full-time, high-quality educational intervention in a childcare setting from infancy through age 5.
  • Each child had an individualized prescription of educational activities.
  • Educational activities consisted of "games" incorporated into the child's day.
  • Activities focused on social, emotional, and cognitive areas of development but gave particular emphasis to language.
  • Children's progress was monitored over time with follow-up studies conducted at ages 12, 15, and 21.
  • The young adult findings demonstrate that important, long-lasting benefits were associated with the early childhood program.
Google the Carolina Abecedarian project for more information.

Kind regards Jasmine
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