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#1
Nov 19, 2015, 05:57 PM
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I have been ordered by probate court to therapy and to see a psychiatrist. I'm tired of going and it's not helping. I have to go for one year. My question is this. What happens if I just stop going altogether? Can I be put in the hospital, or worse, jail? I don't want to go to therapy. It's a waste of time for me. Plus, I'm not interested in getting better and I already know coping skills for hallucinations and depression. I live in Ohio if that makes a difference.
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Nov 19, 2015, 06:03 PM
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I would imagine you were told what would happen by the judge. Just guessing here but you will be summoned to a new hearing. If you're very lucky you will be given another chance to follow the order. Otherwise I would guess hospital or some sort of incarceration. They aren't simply going to say okay if you don't want to do it then you don't have to do it.
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Nov 19, 2015, 06:23 PM
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Why are you not interested in getting better
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Nov 19, 2015, 11:40 PM
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First I agree general speaking psychotherapy isn't for everyone. Then again I don't know you so can't tell if this is true of you. Are you familiar with "Assisted Outpatient Therapy" In plain words it means involuntary outpatient therapy Are you on that program. The AOT movement is growing with increasing numbers of states using this type of committment. Its from E. Fuller Torrey MD psychiatrist. Exec Director of Treatment Advocacy Center.
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#5
Nov 20, 2015, 05:33 AM
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In Britain this is one of the few offences for which you can still be sent to Australia where you would fit right in. Just kidding. You might be fined or incarcerated or both.
Maybe you should ask your psychiatrist why it ain't helping, why you dislike it so and what happens if they don't think you are trying, or don't complete the treatment. They must encounter many people like you and could well have some useful insights. And it is free - most of us have to pay for psychiatrists services. |
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Nov 20, 2015, 10:43 AM
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In my country, you are sent to the hospital (or residential facility, but in my country, that's much alike).
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Nov 20, 2015, 10:53 AM
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I imagine if you dont comply you can be sent to long term state hospital commitment. Getting kicked out of therapy doesn't look good. Have you looked into an alternative therapy program so that the judge can see you are trying?
It's far easier to do this as an outpatient than be ordered to a hospital commitment.
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Nov 20, 2015, 01:19 PM
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So why are you in this situation?
Which is sort of what probate part of law does around here. Although I've never heard of anyone being sentenced to anything for doing nothing wrong.
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Nov 20, 2015, 01:28 PM
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ChipperMonkey, in the state where I live someone can be court ordered into treatment if they are considered a danger to themselves or others
rgoldst2, again in the state where I live, non-compliance with court ordered outpatient treatment can result in involuntary commitment to residential treatment. It can also be considered contempt of court and result in legal charges. I like the suggestion someone else made to express your concerns to your treatment providers. I'm sure you are not the first person to have your concerns. They might be able to help you find a solution. |
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Nov 20, 2015, 01:30 PM
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Well my reply stands. Yes, you can be forced into hospitalization.
It's called being sectioned. I had it done to me.
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Nov 20, 2015, 02:10 PM
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Nov 20, 2015, 05:31 PM
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Based on my experience with a loved one they had a hearing and gave him one more chance to comply which he didn't and ended up in the hospital for 6 weeks. I wish you luck.
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Nov 20, 2015, 10:51 PM
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Nov 21, 2015, 02:02 PM
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You mentioned that you were an ACT client. Are you on a CTO? If you are you will end up in hospital if you don't comply with the court order. I have a history of psychosis. When the symptoms improved I didn't want them too, because my life situation was depressing at the time. It was so much easier to hide in delusions and hallucinations than cope with life. Could this be why you don't want to get better? Maybe you want to be in hospital. Only you know.
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Dec 06, 2015, 06:40 PM
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I'm an attorney and I can't wrap my mind around why a probate judge would order therapy.
Thinking of you *hugs* Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Dec 06, 2015, 10:45 PM
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Dec 06, 2015, 11:01 PM
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Nevertheless, OP, do what the court tells you to do. Court don't play. Come back and give us legal professionals more info! We're intrigued! |
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Dec 07, 2015, 08:10 AM
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Dec 07, 2015, 08:20 AM
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What did you do that caused this situation to end up in court in the first place? Why if you know the skills weren't you using them to keep yourself out of this situation? We can know skills but if we don't use them they aren't going to help us.
I would definitely talk to the provider. Sometimes when things aren't helping it's our own attitude that's getting in the way of the help. Not wanting to get better could be one such attitude. Why would you not want to get better?
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Dec 07, 2015, 11:29 AM
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If you need the case worker and therapist to speak up for you then you need to see them and work with them so the court knows you've been makes no progress. If you miss your appointments and blow them all you will continue to have a payee and probably spend some time in a state hospital until you agree to work on the issues you got sent to court for.
It kinda sounds like you've not learned any insight into how you ended up in this court ordered situation. Perhaps that's were you need to start with your therapy. Asking them to help you figure out what exactly happened. Why did you in up in the hospital, why did you end up in court.....what can you do differently so it doesn't happen again. Ask what it is you need to change. Walking away and not complying with court orders is not going to get the results you want. I'm sure it's frustrating, if you have to make them spell it out exactly. You need to do this because then you get this reward, and why it is this way. For instance. You refuse your medications; you hallucinate and deteriorating into not being able to care for yourself. Possible a danger to others and self You need to see the doc to get medications talk about side effects and find a cocktail that works best for you You drink to excess on or off your meds. Your health and mind deteriorates. You meet with your case workers and discuse different ways to deal with feelings and positive steps you can take You feel this is all a waste of time and bogus unrighteousness **** they are doing to you; you meet with the counselor and talk about it and ask what you need to do differently to get a different outcome...i.e. Getting your money back, your freedom back. You need to work with them because at this point they hold all the power.
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Dec 07, 2015, 11:35 AM
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Sorry it seems so bleak but if you go with the flow instead of fighting it , it will go easier
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Dec 07, 2015, 01:00 PM
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Where I live there is an involuntary commitment process (separate from the common 72-hour hold) for people with severe and persistent mental health issues wherein the client is court ordered to participate in recommended treatment (usually including medications and therapy). There is typically a 30 day review process as well, which includes a review by another professional (not the ongoing therapist and/or psychiatrist) to assess mental status, compliance with treatment, etc. Eventually, if the individual is stable for a given period, the commitment can be lifted, but only by the court and only after a period of demonstrated compliance.
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#23
Dec 07, 2015, 02:55 PM
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i agree with everyone especially sidestepper. you need to get the help you need to take care of yourself and know what caused you to be where you are now and get help.
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Dec 07, 2015, 03:30 PM
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I suppose that the court ordered therapy is to make sure the judge gets a third opinion not tainted by your other two doctors.... if the therapist you see also agrees, this will be an advantage for you in the future as it will already be mandated/court ordered and harder for someone else to take those privileges away (having control of your own money in this case.)
GO. It's only strikes against you if you don't (proving you can't discipline yourself enough to even do what the judge says so of course you can't manage money...)  Go.
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Dec 07, 2015, 03:46 PM
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