LCM showing up randomly at work

It's probably actually worse

They still have training in some sort of counseling, OR at the very least a code of ethic or rules set forth in their own church to follow being clergy. In this situation, LCM- has nothing keeping herself or growli in check.. and I think that is vital when you are dealing with volatile situations like this.

Ummmmm... LCM is in training to be a therapist. She is in school. She has worked as a case manager and led group therapy in the past. It's not like she's just this random woman that has never worked in mental health before. She has for many years.

She also keeps herself in check based on results. If I'm not doing well, she changes.

I could say whatever I'm thinking about church's code of ethics but I won't in order to not derail the thread.

She also loves me. I trust her that she will do the best she knows how to help me. Maybe I'm wrong to trust her. Maybe I'm wrong to trust anyone. But I already have enough trust issues. I'm too young to completely distrust everyone like a lot of older people do.

She has never failed me yet. Yeah she's made mistakes, but she's always taken responsibility for them, she's never done anything malicious and she's never let me down when it counts. Even when it was inconvenient for her.

I get that she is in training, but does she have professor T watching over her giving her advice helping her with different strategies for you? It's not what she knows, it is WHO is keeping her accountable is my whole point.

There is a reason why most Ts have to be supervised for a certain number of hours, BEFORE they actually take on their own clients.

I get you are attached to her and she probably has strong feelings for you and I am glad you have that. However, that is not how you present her most of the time.. and like I stated previously, my problem is with the fact that she isn't actually a T. She is just somebody who you care deeply for and you are asking for advice from.

Her empathy and love for me holds her accountable. She holds herself accountable. I hold her accountable. If she does something wrong, I call her out on it immediately. If she needs advice for what to do she asks her T for it or others.

Have you never asked advice from someone you love?

She is trial and error based. She has ideas and tries them out. Sometimes they don't work. Sometimes they do. She doesn't touch anything she knows could cause serious damage if she screws up like my trauma.

I have no intention of jumping six feet ************, though I seem to remember you are quite tall... I WOULD like to congratulate you on getting a job. Good work!

How has the search for a therapist been going? I saw that some people had asked you about this but I don't recall see an answer. I think everyone would chill out if you had a therapist that you could work with. What are LCM's thoughts on your search? Could you ask her to provide more help in this area?

Good memory. I'm between 6'1 and 6'2.

I'm not searching currently. My schedule is full and I have been having the worst time finding anyone who can work with the time I have free and takes my insurance

Just my opinion, but that seems like a description for being someone's guinea pig.

I think therapists admit all their clients are guinea pigs. Even the guy who runs this site has admitted it in list of things therapists don't tell clients.
Number 1 on the list is:
1. I honestly don’t know whether I can help you or not.

Not to hijack the thread, but my T actually did say this to me. Informed consent to be a guinea pig?

I occasionally talk to my Rabbi if I need spiritual guide ness but if I start referring to him as my dad (and I have abusive evil father) and then got extremely upset when he finally tells me he isn't my dad or if became deeply disturbed seeing him in public or was upset he has kids or having sex so bad I have to get drunk and he still wouldn't enforce the boundaries or puts a stop to it, then it becomes a problem.

Seeing whoever for whatever reason isn't an issue here, how it affects the person is an issue

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I agree I don't see how this is a big deal

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I'm not upset that she has sex? I'm upset that she wasn't forthcoming about her bias towards someone she referred me to?

I'm allowed to have whatever emotional reaction I have? I don't talk to her occasionally.

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Doesn't she get paid for what she does? Sure everyone makes mistakes but trial and error approach with mental illness and get paid for it? Tries out ideas?

Sure I ask advice from friends or family but they aren't getting paid, when people get paid they can't be willy nilly

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Doesn't she get paid for what she does? Sure everyone makes mistakes but trial and error approach with mental illness and get paid for it? Tries out ideas?

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I don't think therapy can be anything but trial and error based. You can have 30 years of experience but every person is different and responds to different things.

If you are seeing a rabbi, priest or other religious figure for spiritual issues that seems completely appropriate. Many on PC report trying to see a religious figure for some version of therapy. That's what I personally reject. (For example, the transgender teen in the news who committed suicide in part due to unethical Christian counseling.)

Do I agree with all of the choices OP is making ? No. I'm just pointing out that people are somehow more reactive to her situation when there are similar or worse situations all over the therapy boards.

Ok Maybe You said you were jealous of everyone who has sex , sorry I might have misunderstood. You dont know if he is a psych you said he looked one and you asked if he was her boyfriend and even asked her, you don't know if he is her bf. But you were upset

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When "therapy" starts getting harmful it is no mater who provides it: church life coach or real therapist: it is an issue.

If my therapist caused me as much anguish as this LC causes growli I'd run for the hills. I am not paying my money for getting worse, crying and self destructing. No therapist should make patients suffer so much. I am in therapy to get better not worse!


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Something I said while completely wasted and simultaneously writing on PC and soliciting random local men online for sex. There was probably some carry over. I passed out asleep before doing anything actually potentially dangerous for the record.

I know the man she went to her daughter's concert with alone was the same person she told me was the pdoc she wanted to see.

It is very saddening to me, being wasted at 21 and soliciting men for sex. I am actually tearing up, I have a daughter. It is awfully sad. This LC contributes to your unhealthy behavior. I don't see how this is not harmful to your well being.

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I do understand what you are saying , but I've been on pc long enough to remember growli's life before LC. This is an improvement .

I will still be a pest and agree that a T would help balance the mix (Trauma T or regular T) but growli will have to come to that conclusion on her own.

She has no idea that I did that and wouldn't condone it. She also was the only person to ever tell me she thinks I'm beautiful. So she's not all bad.

Also being 21 is kind of all about being wasted and soliciting men for sex isn't it?

I don't see how tearing apart and analyzing what Growli has said or felt in this manner is useful or supportive.

Is it weird that my T tells me the complete opposite? He's not cocky, but has a lot of experience and we have a good relationship.

When I said "guinea pig" I was referencing a personal experience with an undertrained therapist who said he "learned a lot from me" at our final session. I had thought at the time, sarcastically, "glad I could be your guinea pig".

I really hope it is a joke


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