does everyone really think this?

I very much do not think that this is the thread to start a discussion about whether something the OP is experiencing is medical or not, can be solved by taking vitamins or not.

BudFox, if you have been following Eden's threads, you should know by now that she is in very dire straits and has been suffering tremendously for months. She is being told to harm others or herself by others in her head, and she is also plagued by demons. She often thinks of telling her psychologist or psychiatrist, and that does seem to be the best way for her to get help soon.

All people here are doing is trying to encourage her and show her support, in different ways. I cannot imagine that it will help her to have some academic and increasingly fraught discussion of "what is medical" or making accusations of diagnoses against other posters. If you can't appreciate the gravity of her situation and address it, please at least don't make posts that won't help.

With an autoimmune disorder there is a known mechanism and it is conceptually pretty straightforward (based on my limited knowledge). When it comes to the brain and human behavior seems we have no such understanding. It is vastly more complex.

I want to help Eden also. It is distressing to me to see people making categorical assessments of her condition. I do not think it is appropriate. Trying to offer some balance.

Yes have followed them off and on and I do know the gravity of it. Agree with what you say above.

ATAT, are you sure you know what Eden needs? I am trying to support her too. I am not truing to have an academic discussion, I am giving a perspective other than the standard one which pathologizes people, in the hope that Eden will find it helpful. Nobody here should be making diagnoses. It's irresponsible.

All of you need to calm down. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and as long as they don't say it in a way that is offensive and hurtful I personally don't mind hearing it. That being said I do think people are being quick to assume they know exactly what I need. There are other factors that play into how I am feeling not just the demons or the others in my head and sometimes quite frankly the others in my head actually make me feel better. Also as far as comparing this to a broken bone I can't say that applies at all if it were a broken bone I would not have had it that way before I broke it the others in my head have been with me for as long as I can remember. Also I do not think everyone has actually read what I have said properly at time to make it clear (also I am using caps to make this stand out not to express any kind of emotion) I HAVE TOLD MY PSYCHOLOGIST AND PSYCHIATRIST ABOUT THE EXISTSNCE OF THE DEMONS AND THAT I HAVE OTHER ENTITIES IN MY HEAD. I HAVE TOLD THEM THAT I HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT HURTING MYSELF AND A FEW TIMES I HAVE MENTIONED BRIEFLY ABOUT HURTING OTHERS. I HAVE NOT TOLD THEM ALL OF MY FEELINGS THAT RELATE TO THIS. AND SUBTLE DIFFERENCES THEY DONT KNIW BUT THEY KNOW THE BASICS.
Anyway I don't want this tread turning into other people fighting so please tone it down about I understand if you are hurt and want to defend or explain your point but just please do it respectfully or take the matter to pm's or something idk.

Eden , have you looked at Shamanic Psychotherapy? They might understand what you are feeling.

eden: Apologize if I stirred things up more than necessary. I am passionate about this stuff, and I tend to go in too hot.

The below video for me is endlessly wise and gives great perspective. Love this guy. Hope it helps. Its just a few minutes...

Interview with Gabor Mate: The Myth of Normal - Phil Borges | Phil Borges - Social Documentary Photography and Film

Um well to start with that is not readily available where I live also I Sharman is not exactly who I would need anyway.

It's ok it takes 2 to tango.

Speaking of shamanism, there's the hallucinogenic and healing plant ayahuasca, which for some can lead to massive breakthroughs spiritually and emotionally. You can do retreats where there is a guide or shaman to keep things safe.

I have had some AMAZING, healing spiritual experiences on hallucinogens. First time I did one, re-aligned my whole worldview and I was happy for MONTHS afterward. My therapist is not impressed, but I say do whatever works.

Not that I'm recommending this, necessarily, because there's always the chance it'll go bad, and next thing you know you're smoking meth with some guy you've never met behind the 7-11 and then the next thing you know after that is you've got a resisting arrest charge.

This happened to a friend who definitely isn't me.

Still, an interesting idea to look into.

Like I said in my first post, my extreme mood swings have been a part of my life since I was a child - when I was asked what life used to be like before I developed bipolar disorder, I realised that I had never felt any other way. That's what I have always been like, and I have suffered a lot because of it. My teenage years were horrible, I was either up or I was down and I alienated everyone around me because of it. I accepted that because I thought it was my fault for being unable to handle life, and that everyone else was simply better at it than I was. I thought that how I felt was normal, whereas how I behaved wasn't.

But none of that was right, and once I saw a psychiatrist at the age of 23, and I was completely honest with them, life got better. I finally saw my mood swings for what they were: abnormal, and not my fault. I'm not saying life has been great for the past four years, but it's certainly been less volatile, mood-wise. And I finally have an idea of what it means to be "content", even if I still haven't experienced it.

I've always been bipolar, but that doesn't make bipolar disorder "okay" or "normal".

So again, just because something has been a part of you for as long as you can remember it doesn't mean that it's supposed to be like that. Your life is not supposed to be this way, eden. It really isn't. I strongly encourage you tell your doctors the whole truth about your situation, not just the basics, because the details are important.

I do apologise if I have come across as disrespectful in any way. I can get carried away sometimes, but it comes from a place of concern and a wish to help. I feel very powerless when I know that someone so far away from me is suffering and there is very little I can do about it, and that really gets to me.

In no way do I wish to diagnose you or imply that I know what you need. All I am saying is that you need more help than you are currently getting, and you won't get it until you are willing to fully open up to the people who are there to help you.

We've been showing a lot of compassion and understanding and compassion to Eden for several months, checking up on her. She is asking what should she do so we suggest things. I am not sure what your post is about though. You seem upset with something, not sure what about.

I admittedly haven't been following Eden's struggles as closely as others, but based off of what I've read in this thread It is mind blowing to me that some people are actually suggesting psychedelic drug use to someone who is actively psychotic. It's irresponsible and dangerous.

Eden, it sounds like you need intensive professional help. By being honest with your psychiatrist and therapist you can find a safe, healthy treatment plan that will get you back to a place of relative normalcy.

Scan the thread and see where Eden has given thanks. Would seem to be a pretty good indicator of what she finds helpful and not.

And yet people suggest prescription psych drugs that are known to increase suicidal and homicidal tendencies and nobody blinks.

Ayahuasca can be used under close supervision. It is not merely a psychedelic drug, it is a powerful healing plant. I know people who have taken it and have benefitted significantly. I'm not recommending it at all. I merely mentioned it.

Why does it always come back to that for you? It makes you sound really arrogant, in addition to being absolute nonsense. Maybe what you are saying is what eden wants to hear. That doesn't mean what you are saying is actually helpful.

I'm sorry, eden. I really am. But I am not in this to tell you what you wish to hear, because I don't agree with the voices in your head and I am afraid that they are going to destroy you. Sometimes, when we are experiencing these things, it is difficult for us to think rationally. I have been irrational many times in my life during a mood episode, and what I needed in those situations was for someone to intervene.

I'm not here to preach at you, I am just trying to provide some perspective by sharing my own experiences. Every person is unique, and our situations are very different, but we do have some things in common.

I found ways to "deal with" my mood swings. I got used to the depression, and I got used to being yelled at and having various negative accusations thrown at me. I learned how to use my self-hatred in productive ways. I used feelings of guilt to keep going when all I wanted to do was lie down and wait for death. This was my life, and when I was finally faced with the possibility of changing all of that, I found it inconceivable and it actually scared me, because the misery of bipolar disorder was all I had ever known. In fact, I am still struggling with it, but I now accept, at the age of 27, that just because I have gotten used to something that doesn't make it okay.

And even though I now know rationally that the way I live my life is destructive, there is still a force within me that fights against changing my life for the better. There is still a part of me that wants to self-sabotage and thinks I'm supposed to fail. I am fighting a constant battle with that part of myself, but it is not as powerful as it used to be. I guess that accepting failure and abusing myself have been my coping mechanisms, how I adapted to get through life - it was easier to join those who verbally abused me than to fight against them, and it was easier to accept that I was a failure than to claim otherwise. It was easier to set myself up for failure than to try and inevitably fail because I wasn't good enough (which was how I came to see myself). But those "coping mechanisms" are no longer useful for me. They need to be discarded, because now I know better and I definitely don't need them anymore. They aren't "protecting" me, they're harming me.

Maybe the demons and the others were protecting you from something in the past, but they don't seem to anymore. Instead it sounds like they are causing you harm, and no one needs a destructive force like that. You deserve to be free from this pain, and I hope you will realise that some day.

to clarify to everyone i was saying thanks to the part about being normal and the making everything medical part i am NOT saying anything in relation to the compassion part.

I don't think Eden is going to go drop acid because some strangers on the internet brought up psychedelics as something to consider. People have brought up Catholic exorcism as something to consider. Medication. Inpatient. Being honest with T/P-docs. You name it, people have brought it up as something to consider.

I have certainly thought, and expressed, that intensive professional help is what Eden needs. But I believe Eden has made it abundantly clear that she has no interest in hearing what other people think she needs. If she is truly as floridly psychotic as some of us sometimes believe (though, to me, she sure seems lucid when someone pisses her off), then she is much better served by interventions closer to home. By people who actually know her, are treating her, and have the power to admit her.

It's taken me a LONG time, but I've finally come to the conclusion that any opinion I have about what Eden needs is, without knowing her, based on assumptions. And Eden hates assumptions.

i do hate assumptions that is true

also i should add i am opposed to drugs of any kind basically i think they are untrustworthy and not enough has been done to study all of their possible long term effects and of course that will differ from person to person and also the other stuff i have mentioned about them before.

and another thing i am not floridly psychotic i have a set of beliefs that nobody else seems to agree with and i do still believe those wether or not i am offended by what people post i dont just switch between them and being "normal" i still think everything i thought about this world that i did before people started to annoy me but i do know that the only way you will all stop offending me is if i argue something that you will not dismiss i do think that this world is not real but for right now i am stuck in it and so i am operating as if it were real. i am very good at adapting i have had to do it all my life because if i didnt behave a certain way in my family i would be outcast but sorry if i am not allowed to be more than one thing at a time just because you think i am sick which i am not just too clarify doesnt mean that i am a vegetable who cant speak for what they or the other people in my head believe in. and i should point out that you made an assumption that i hate assumptions!

Eden are you apposed to drugs temporarily (like 2 weeks)? to give you some relief.

yes it is still poison that will make me die a slow and painful death.

also i am going to have to leave soon for my appointment so please dont turn this thread into WWIII while i am away.

I was just pointing out what OP found helpful, and only because I was accused of being unhelpful. To call this arrogant makes no sense.

I would suggest that what is arrogant is assuming that others know what OP needs better than she does. Who here is enough of an expert on mental illness or on Eden to be the arbiter of what is helpful or appropriate?

Is it possible that she just wants to be heard?

I am trying to be supportive in a different way. The OP herself said she doesn't mind hearing different opinions. I apologize if I have ruffled feathers, but the hostility and personal insults… wow.

I think this is Eden's thread and she is within her rights to get upset with something or consider some posts helpful or unhelpful. It's for OP to decide what she finds helpful .

I really don't understand posters coming on here to argue with other posters and get aggressive and argumentative with other posters. If people are upset with other posters (over something, whatever that is) they could maybe PM them or start new threads where they can argue if they are so inclined.

I really don't understand using Eden's threads to blow steam of engage in bickering with other posters.

Eden hope all is ok today ( with all the time difference hard to remember when is day or night for you!)

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i am very tired i had the appointment with my psychologist he asked about my eating and stuff i am tired and for some reason in a terrible mood so i may look over this and respond if necessary later. it is night now btw.