Couch 122 - Doin' what we do!

I dont know whats worse - anti therapy or pro pumpkin spice! said the girl whose t says she drinks "candybar coffee" - vanilla caramel mocha latte

The only person of the hosts that i can halfway stand is nick cannon. Everybody else makes me want to puke. I just feel sorry for the contestants. And i wonder about the audience members! Aside from that yeah i like the show... i had to redo my antenna this weekend, now im getting that channel more clearly.

I just happened to see the YouTube of Grace. Never saw the show before. I don't have a working TV!

I think I just died and went to heaven -- had a perfect (artery-choking, soaked in butter) buttermilk biscuit. And, (very predictably) now have a rather awful crush on the very cute baker who went into excruciating detail about her baking process while I attempted to nod intelligently (a feat of sorts considering that I've been too freaked out all my adult life to even switch on an oven, let alone attempt baking). Sigh.

Ill check that out. It gets rid of all my negatives, thanks!!!

But you looked so cute to her as you kept licking the butter from the corner of your mouth like the precious kitten that you are!

Aw c'mon! We were all thinking it!

Oh gawd........and, here I thought I was doing my best imitation of my (totally non-existent) stern, taciturn, stone butch self

Some of us were thinking it.

Good bakers are hard to find. I'd cultivate that relationship if I were you.

ATAT -- thank you! Your totally instrumental line of thinking is exactly what I needed to set my priorities...uhh....straight.

gee that almost sounds like a book title!

I would totally volunteer to write a queer version of 'Like Water for Chocolate' (never understood the hype though) or 'Eat, Pray, Love' (except I couldn't get through the first few pages of the book) -- I did though watch the whole movie when I was on a weird obsessed-with-all-things-Julia-Roberts kick (the movie thankfully cured me of my obsession rather immediately).

A good man is hard to find by flannery o'connor. I think by definition anything written by her IS the queer version, in any sense of the word! Theres a movie of her stuff too, i saw it in the early 80s in SF. Stars Ned Beatty from Deliverance? Its outstanding.

Hi couch,

So I'm so freaking frustrated. With God, with t, with myself, with a few other people (no one here). Grr.

Flannery O'Connor has never struck me as queer, what am I missing?

Carson McCullers, though, definitely.

Ah, my education is sorely lacking -- have been meaning to read her for a while now but never got around to it (I'd like to blame it on growing up in a former British colony and having large gaps in reading outside of the old British canon but really, at this point, it's just me!).

Queer, not gay or lesbian. More like other gendered. Like it doesnt matter gendered. You know, like me. The kind that straights think is gay, and gays say is oh no she is not one of us!

Flannery O'Connor had the catholicism thing going on

I would totally take on any queer who says that to you

Assuming you want to hang with the lot of them of course.

(Of course, I might need an army or two behind my quavering knees but you know, it's the thought that counts etc)

But someone who is straight is not one of us - it is not a matter of being rejecting - it is just the fact. They may be something else, or there may be other common ground that combines - just not gay.

Yes -- which is why I didn't use the word gay but rather queer which I think encompasses a much wider range of identities.

Of course, it's a different point as to whether someone chooses to identify as gay or queer (or one of the other gazillion terms that have come up!) but I think that's more to do with personal politics than anything else.

I use queer mostly around other gay folk -- that's how I prefer to think of myself. But, if I am with someone (straight or even gay or closeted) who I sense doesn't have an understanding of the difference between the two -- and why someone would want to use one over the other -- then I just use the conventional terms of gay, lesbian etc.

I use lesbian rather than queer because I think queer does have a different connotation. My person writes about queerness/teaches it.

Riiiiight - and everybody knows catholicism and gaiety are uh mutually exclusive

Eta - its okay. Ive accepted that i have always been ahead of my time. I went into my first ts office in 1974 saying i was neuter gender. A t wouldnt blink an eye at that now. The university dr made me pull down my pants to verify i was a girl before she would sign my marriage certificate application. Apparently that doesnt happen to everyone! Now it doesnt happen to anyone.

Awkwardlyours, may I introduce you to a British baking series on BBC iPlayer called "The Great British Bake Off" with 2 hosts, one of whom is a lesbian? (The dark haired one). Mel and Sue did some great radio shows and this TV series is really popular. I cook but am crap at baking, but I love to watch it. I don't fancy either of them. But I would fancy a cross between Nigella Lawson and Mariska Hargitay (OMG). With freckles. In an army uniform. And a nurse's cap.

I suddenly need some air.........

No - I did not say they are mutually exclusive. I was just saying she was known as a catholic apologist. She was also known for southern gothic style - not exclusive either.
Really no need to have the sarcastic thingy at me.

Well she should apologize! Certainly someone should! i didnt realize that is what you meant, sorry! And the sarcastic thingy wasnt at you, it was more just an eyeroll emphasizing the comic juxtaposition of so-called conflicting values.

Oh yeah i love the british baking show! Totally love Mel!