Home Menu

Menu


Closed Thread
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #876  
Old Aug 02, 2024, 08:45 PM
LonesomeTonight's Avatar
LonesomeTonight LonesomeTonight is offline
Always in This Twilight
 
Member Since: Feb 2015
Location: US
Posts: 22,004
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemoncake View Post
What are your goals for therapy in general?

Three times a week is very intense, more common in traditional psychoanalysis or psychodynamic.Unless you are in an active crisis mode, you need to see that you already are capable of dealing with your emotions.

I do think session reduction would be beneficial and teach you resilience, but also confidence in yourself .

You can learn some aspects of DBT like grounding and self soothing techniques on YouTube too instead of waiting to start a class.

You just need to start building up your window of tolerance to distress, before emailing him. This is not impossible.
Thanks, Lemon. The three times started very early in the pandemic, when I was struggling to cope and most of my usual outlets weren't available to me. And I've started reducing at various times, then, again, things happened.

I'd actually been doing considerably better lately (like the past year really) with coping without emailing him or asking for an extra session (he had commented on this, too). Something about the move was just really triggering to me, and then it all extended a month longer than it was supposed to do.

He actually said he thinks I may have been a mixed episode, which makes me wonder if I should revisit a possible bipolar II diagnosis (saying bipolar II because I wouldn't meet the criteria for regular mania, after reading about it again to make sure). And it's making me think back to other times when I struggled to cope and wondering whether that could have been what was going on? I mean, times where it became really intense. Where I'm depressed but also very agitated and anxious (and have lots of trouble sleeping). Thinking even of times going back to my teens.

So I'm going to look into a psychiatrist again, too.

advertisement
  #877  
Old Aug 02, 2024, 08:52 PM
atisketatasket's Avatar
atisketatasket atisketatasket is offline
Child of a lesser god
 
Member Since: Jun 2015
Location: Tartarus
Posts: 19,387
Quote:
Originally Posted by unaluna View Post
Would you deny me the only pleasure remaining in my pitiful life?
Sweetie, your bean-related emissions have lit many a lamp for others.
Hugs from:
unaluna
Thanks for this!
LonesomeTonight, stopdog, unaluna, WarmFuzzySocks
  #878  
Old Aug 02, 2024, 08:55 PM
stopdog stopdog is offline
underdog is here
 
Member Since: Sep 2011
Location: blank
Posts: 35,154
I worry about both of you.
__________________
Please NO @

Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.
Oscar Wilde
Well Behaved Women Seldom Make History - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.
Thanks for this!
atisketatasket, LonesomeTonight, unaluna, WarmFuzzySocks
  #879  
Old Aug 02, 2024, 09:14 PM
NP_Complete's Avatar
NP_Complete NP_Complete is offline
Grand Magnate
 
Member Since: Feb 2017
Location: the upside down
Posts: 3,963
If it helps, LT, I went from 3 to two sessions last fall. I'm not going to say there aren't times I miss the third session, but overall it's been ok. And I have really no outside support system that I can fall back on. I think you could be fine with it after an adjustment period. It seems like there's been a lot of conflict lately between you two. Maybe a little more space between sessions would actually help your relationship.
Thanks for this!
ArtleyWilkins, LonesomeTonight
  #880  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 06:52 AM
LonesomeTonight's Avatar
LonesomeTonight LonesomeTonight is offline
Always in This Twilight
 
Member Since: Feb 2015
Location: US
Posts: 22,004
Quote:
Originally Posted by NP_Complete View Post
If it helps, LT, I went from 3 to two sessions last fall. I'm not going to say there aren't times I miss the third session, but overall it's been ok. And I have really no outside support system that I can fall back on. I think you could be fine with it after an adjustment period. It seems like there's been a lot of conflict lately between you two. Maybe a little more space between sessions would actually help your relationship.
Thanks, NP. It helps to know that you've mostly managed OK with the change. Out of curiosity, what days do you have sessions?

I do wonder if there's too much familiarity between Dr. T and me. Thinking of the saying "Familiarity breeds contempt." Well, and "absence makes the heart grow fonder."

Maybe he and I can figure out a plan together for me to reduce sessions. I mean, there are already a few weeks at the end of this month/early September where it will need to be twice due to our respective vacations/holidays. So I could see how things go then. And maybe we spend some time getting tools in place for me before I make that switch (for weeks when 3x would work out).

There's also the factor that H wants to look for a new job (he's waiting until the end of the year--in part because he's having another surgery next month, which will end up free on this plan), and if we end up on a different insurance plan, they may object to 3x a week or may reimburse considerably less. I'd rather make the switch on my own than be forced to do so.
Hugs from:
LostOnTheTrail, ScarletPimpernel
  #881  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 07:35 AM
LostOnTheTrail's Avatar
LostOnTheTrail LostOnTheTrail is offline
Human Feeling
 
Member Since: Aug 2011
Location: England
Posts: 5,765
Couch Workout Club day 6

Walked around a local craft fair for an hour.

_______________________________________________________________

I'm in the process of reading young writers' submissions for the next mentoring cohort.

I've done a first read on eight out of the 12 applications.

The last piece I read today mentioned a main character's death

Possible trigger:


Can't tell whether I'm just sensitive at the moment, but that was the last thing I needed.

I will get a handle on my emotional eating, but today is not that day.
__________________
'Somewhere up above the great divide
Where the sky is wide, and the clouds are few
A man can see his way clear to the light
Just hold on tight, that's all you gotta do...'

Steve Earle - Fort Worth Blues

'You have all the grace you need for today, and today is all that matters.' - Steve Austin
Hugs from:
LonesomeTonight, ScarletPimpernel, unaluna
  #882  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 07:50 AM
LonesomeTonight's Avatar
LonesomeTonight LonesomeTonight is offline
Always in This Twilight
 
Member Since: Feb 2015
Location: US
Posts: 22,004
Hugs, Lost. I'm sorry you keep encountering so many triggers...
Hugs from:
LostOnTheTrail
  #883  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 08:04 AM
LostOnTheTrail's Avatar
LostOnTheTrail LostOnTheTrail is offline
Human Feeling
 
Member Since: Aug 2011
Location: England
Posts: 5,765
Thanks, LT.

I wish to heck that I was more able to deal with these things.
I suppose I would be if I felt more stable.

Can somebody please tell me that now is not the time to figure out how to deal with my overflowing Gmail inbox?
__________________
'Somewhere up above the great divide
Where the sky is wide, and the clouds are few
A man can see his way clear to the light
Just hold on tight, that's all you gotta do...'

Steve Earle - Fort Worth Blues

'You have all the grace you need for today, and today is all that matters.' - Steve Austin
Hugs from:
LonesomeTonight, ScarletPimpernel, unaluna
  #884  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 08:42 AM
Anonymous48774
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by LonesomeTonight View Post
Thanks, Jersey. I do think I'm probably keeping my Monday appointment now (we had a brief email exchange). But I was having a similar thought about dropping at least to twice a week for now (I generally go three times--was working on reducing at one point, then life stuff happened), then maybe one sometime in the future. What you mention is part of it, but his not being particularly available lately made me realize that I've become dependent on his availability. And I don't want to be that way.

One part of the exchange (just one email each--well, aside from a thanks email from me) was also about working on other ways to help me cope with strong emotions. Which is something I'd realized on my own (as I'd tried many things that weren't working), but he also mentioned. So we're going to talk about that. It could involve, say, my going to a DBT group and/or focusing on other methods.

Maybe in some way, this whole experience will ultimately help me to move forward and become better at coping on my own and with the support of those in my outside life (though I did get lots of support on here and from a couple friends this past week). Like it's serving as a wake-up call that relying on him (and R) is not a long-term, fail-proof strategy.
The DBT group may help with some coping skills and a big part of DBT is emotion regulation. I don’t know if you recall I did a group while in therapy but the group I did was led by a psychologist and I didn’t finish the whole thing (it was 9 months long). I didn’t have the money for both that and therapy. The group for me felt very controlling but it was just probably that particular group.

I didn’t realize you were seeing Dr. T 3 times a week. I thought it was twice and anything beyond that was just an extra session. That is a lot. You really have no time in-between sessions to try to let your mind rest a little.
Thanks for this!
ArtleyWilkins, LonesomeTonight
  #885  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 08:55 AM
Anonymous41549
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Has anyone got any experience of magic mushrooms? A friend has given me some to try, I have never had them before and am a bit anxious about how they might activate delusions/psychosis. I have smoked a lot of weed at various points in life but not for many years. I am wondering how the highs compare.
Hugs from:
LonesomeTonight, unaluna
  #886  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 09:13 AM
Anonymous41549
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
LT, has he explained his clinical reasoning for establishing a pattern of working thrice weekly? I know you have requested it because you have felt the need for it but presumably he has clinical decisions behind it too as it has significant implications for your work and the relationship. It might be worth considering his reasoning when/if you are reducing.
Thanks for this!
LonesomeTonight
  #887  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 09:41 AM
LonesomeTonight's Avatar
LonesomeTonight LonesomeTonight is offline
Always in This Twilight
 
Member Since: Feb 2015
Location: US
Posts: 22,004
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jersey 4 View Post
The DBT group may help with some coping skills and a big part of DBT is emotion regulation. I don’t know if you recall I did a group while in therapy but the group I did was led by a psychologist and I didn’t finish the whole thing (it was 9 months long). I didn’t have the money for both that and therapy. The group for me felt very controlling but it was just probably that particular group.

I didn’t realize you were seeing Dr. T 3 times a week. I thought it was twice and anything beyond that was just an extra session. That is a lot. You really have no time in-between sessions to try to let your mind rest a little.

Yes, I don't mention the 3x thing here much because I'm a bit ashamed about it.

And thanks for the comment on DBT. I think part of what makes me unsure is that some of the groups are so long, like one I saw was a year, another 6 months. If I go for 3 weeks and it feels like the wrong fit, I'm not sure if I'm stuck in it (or stuck paying) or how it works. Obviously, I can just ask about this.

And some are online only, and I'm debating whether that would work for me or not. I know, they all probably sound like excuses...I guess right now I'm just exhausted, so trying to find one--and the right one--is overwhelming. I guess I'll email a few and see what they say.
Hugs from:
NP_Complete, ScarletPimpernel
  #888  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 09:47 AM
unaluna's Avatar
unaluna unaluna is online now
Elder Harridan x-hankster
 
Member Since: Jun 2011
Location: Milan/Michigan
Posts: 42,038
Quote:
Originally Posted by LostOnTheTrail View Post
Thanks, LT.

I wish to heck that I was more able to deal with these things.
I suppose I would be if I felt more stable.

Can somebody please tell me that now is not the time to figure out how to deal with my overflowing Gmail inbox?
That would have thrown me off too. Those types of accidents are the most horrifying to me.

Re gmail - thing is, they just extort you to pay $10 a year for unlimited storage, which seems a paltry amount, while there is no POSSIBLE way to keep up with the overflow manually. Meanwhile, how much money are they making, storing virtual garbage for billions of accounts?
Thanks for this!
LonesomeTonight
  #889  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 09:56 AM
LonesomeTonight's Avatar
LonesomeTonight LonesomeTonight is offline
Always in This Twilight
 
Member Since: Feb 2015
Location: US
Posts: 22,004
Quote:
Originally Posted by comrademoomoo View Post
LT, has he explained his clinical reasoning for establishing a pattern of working thrice weekly? I know you have requested it because you have felt the need for it but presumably he has clinical decisions behind it too as it has significant implications for your work and the relationship. It might be worth considering his reasoning when/if you are reducing.
So, he offered it at the beginning of the pandemic when we were virtual and I was really struggling. It made sense at the time. Maybe even the first two years of it (making sense, that is).

He found that if he ever mentioned reducing sessions, even saying to let him know when I'm ready (as I'd said I eventually wanted to reduce), I'd get really emotional. So I think he learned to not bring it up because he didn't want to upset me (he just chooses to upset me in other ways!)

I think it's just sort of the pattern now, and I'll occasionally bring it up, but it's not like we discuss it in detail. He's said he understands I'm used to the frequency and find it works for me (well, it was...). That it's up to me when I want to change. He's fine either way. Or if I want twice one week, 3x the next.

So, I'm not sure he has any particularly clinical reasoning behind it right now (other than I maybe that I have a fair number of stressors and anxiety, OCD, and depression issues).
Hugs from:
ScarletPimpernel
  #890  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 09:57 AM
unaluna's Avatar
unaluna unaluna is online now
Elder Harridan x-hankster
 
Member Since: Jun 2011
Location: Milan/Michigan
Posts: 42,038
Re DBT - i feel we really did learn different stuff every week. I left i think late in the 2nd or 3rd round, when a new person came in and from what she shared, i hated hearing how disrespectful her husband was to her - it was an ethnic thing, which i grew up with, and it made me too anxious. I felt like a graduate student being in class with a kindergartener.

But overall, it taught me positive ways of dealing with life. I was like, i can do that? I can say that? And live? Way!
Hugs from:
Lemoncake
Thanks for this!
LonesomeTonight, ScarletPimpernel
  #891  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 10:10 AM
Anonymous48774
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
LT-you don’t have to let yourself be overwhelmed with finding a DBT group. You can always just step away from the idea until you get over this little hurdle you are dealing with. When in a depressive episode every task feels extra. Maybe just give the Zoloft a chance to work again then when you are feeling a little better maybe finding a DBT group won’t be so daunting. There was a member here years ago. (May have been before you joined) who had like a 6 week DBT group so they do vary.
Thanks for this!
LonesomeTonight
  #892  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 10:22 AM
NP_Complete's Avatar
NP_Complete NP_Complete is offline
Grand Magnate
 
Member Since: Feb 2017
Location: the upside down
Posts: 3,963
Quote:
Originally Posted by LonesomeTonight View Post
Thanks, NP. It helps to know that you've mostly managed OK with the change. Out of curiosity, what days do you have sessions?
We normally meet on Monday and Thursday. Sometimes it's Monday and Wednesday. I don't like that because the gap between sessions feels too long. Before we were meeting Monday, Wednesday, Thursday.

There were multiple reasons for reducing. On my end, we were in the middle of a rupture of sorts and I told him I wanted to reduce. I didn't mean it at the time, but he seemed fine with it which kind of hurt. I guess I wanted him to not let me do that, but he did. On his end, he was reducing the days per week that he was meeting clients and he didn't think he could justify to the insurance three sessions a week.
Hugs from:
LonesomeTonight
Thanks for this!
LonesomeTonight
  #893  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 10:26 AM
ScarletPimpernel's Avatar
ScarletPimpernel ScarletPimpernel is offline
Wise Elder
 
Member Since: Nov 2013
Location: US
Posts: 9,005
LT,
I get the 3 times a week. Last week, for my birthday, I got an extra session. That sure spoiled me. This week the time between sessions feel longer because of that extra session. After the "incident" happened, we've had multiple sessions a week. One session was 2.5 hours long... and it was desperately needed.

And I've always had contact with L everyday between sessions. I know a lot, if not all, people here think it's too much. Sometimes I think it's too much. But it helps me or at least in my mind it does.

I do think 3x times a week is a lot even if I totally get it. But I'm not sure whether you should reduce or not. I might consider the opposite could be true too: that the extra session might be needed to work through these ruptures. THEN maybe reduce. Just an option. Of course this is all up to you. As L tells me: trust your wise-mind/gut.
__________________
"Odium became your opium..." ~Epica
Hugs from:
LonesomeTonight
Thanks for this!
LonesomeTonight
  #894  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 10:31 AM
ScarletPimpernel's Avatar
ScarletPimpernel ScarletPimpernel is offline
Wise Elder
 
Member Since: Nov 2013
Location: US
Posts: 9,005
My groups I joined were all 8 weeks I think. I could never commit to longer. The processing group was ongoing. But I highly highly recommend not doing that. It's hard to manage multiple people with BPD (not saying everyone had it) reacting off of each other. Skills groups tend to be much more controlled and structured.
__________________
"Odium became your opium..." ~Epica
Thanks for this!
LonesomeTonight, unaluna
  #895  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 10:33 AM
stopdog stopdog is offline
underdog is here
 
Member Since: Sep 2011
Location: blank
Posts: 35,154
"He found that if he ever mentioned reducing sessions, even saying to let him know when I'm ready (as I'd said I eventually wanted to reduce), I'd get really emotional. So I think he learned to not bring it up because he didn't want to upset me (he just chooses to upset me in other ways!)"

I think this is a huge problem - I don't think this is the way to view this. He might have mistakenly added to the problem by not wanting you to get upset (and the idea has seemed to cause you to spiral for whatever reason) -but it isn't him that is upsetting - you are choosing (perhaps not consciously) to become upset - he is not doing it to you. I would not give him that power over you. Adults act and other adults respond in various ways and both are on each actor.
__________________
Please NO @

Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.
Oscar Wilde
Well Behaved Women Seldom Make History - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.
Thanks for this!
atisketatasket, Lemoncake, unaluna
  #896  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 10:33 AM
NP_Complete's Avatar
NP_Complete NP_Complete is offline
Grand Magnate
 
Member Since: Feb 2017
Location: the upside down
Posts: 3,963
Quote:
Originally Posted by comrademoomoo View Post
Has anyone got any experience of magic mushrooms? A friend has given me some to try, I have never had them before and am a bit anxious about how they might activate delusions/psychosis. I have smoked a lot of weed at various points in life but not for many years. I am wondering how the highs compare.
I have some experience. I wouldn't compare it to weed at all. Start small and see how it makes you feel. Don't take a hero's dose.

It takes a bit for them to kick in, maybe half an hour. When I start to feel giddy in my stomach I know they're kicking in. Expect for some visuals. My favorite part was watching my patterned curtains breathe. I once took some while I was on my period and spent a fair amount of time contemplating how I was some sort of earth goddess. You will be high for 4 - 6 hours, but not high-high for that whole time. There's a ramp up and a cool down. You might feel more comfortable with another person there or you might not. Have snacks at the ready. For some reason nuts were really appealing.

I've never had a bad experience, but I have seen people who took more than they should have really not enjoying it. It will end and you won't die. I'd do them again if I had some.
Thanks for this!
LonesomeTonight
  #897  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 10:49 AM
atisketatasket's Avatar
atisketatasket atisketatasket is offline
Child of a lesser god
 
Member Since: Jun 2015
Location: Tartarus
Posts: 19,387
Quote:
Originally Posted by stopdog View Post
"He found that if he ever mentioned reducing sessions, even saying to let him know when I'm ready (as I'd said I eventually wanted to reduce), I'd get really emotional. So I think he learned to not bring it up because he didn't want to upset me (he just chooses to upset me in other ways!)"

I think this is a huge problem - I don't think this is the way to view this. He might have mistakenly added to the problem by not wanting you to get upset (and the idea has seemed to cause you to spiral for whatever reason) -but it isn't him that is upsetting - you are choosing (perhaps not consciously) to become upset - he is not doing it to you. I would not give him that power over you. Adults act and other adults respond in various ways and both are on each actor.
I agree it’s a huge problem, though not exactly for the same reasons. He’s afraid of your emotions. He seems to have little grasp of them—like he’s surprised how upsetting the move is to you. Who knows what else his fear of your emotions has caused—like letting other boundaries lapse. He’s not thinking long-term about your treatment, just placating you in the short term.

(I am not saying any of this is conscious on your part.)

What he wants is an adult client, not a more personal relationship or friendship. But you’re not his typical client. You’re in therapy mainly to heal childhood wounds as far as I can tell. That means in therapy you’re not in adult mode, and you want that personal relationship or friendship. You need someone who isn’t afraid of your emotions and can hold boundaries in the face of them.

And this fundamental dysfunction leads to blow ups like this and others.
Hugs from:
unaluna
Thanks for this!
Echos Myron redux, Lemoncake, LonesomeTonight, NP_Complete, stopdog, unaluna
  #898  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 11:15 AM
unaluna's Avatar
unaluna unaluna is online now
Elder Harridan x-hankster
 
Member Since: Jun 2011
Location: Milan/Michigan
Posts: 42,038
@@ - Thats why i advocate for some of us to find a child psychologist, preferably one with their own childhood trauma, not necessarily resolved but relatively contained!

Would that make a good yelp review?

Also, Week 2 midweek exercise report:
Day 3 upper body only, rest day. Days 4 and 5 usual 30-40 minute bicyclette. For those of you who may have been heading to the practice range!
Hugs from:
Lemoncake, LostOnTheTrail
Thanks for this!
atisketatasket, LostOnTheTrail, ScarletPimpernel, WarmFuzzySocks
  #899  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 11:25 AM
LostOnTheTrail's Avatar
LostOnTheTrail LostOnTheTrail is offline
Human Feeling
 
Member Since: Aug 2011
Location: England
Posts: 5,765
Way to go, Una!
__________________
'Somewhere up above the great divide
Where the sky is wide, and the clouds are few
A man can see his way clear to the light
Just hold on tight, that's all you gotta do...'

Steve Earle - Fort Worth Blues

'You have all the grace you need for today, and today is all that matters.' - Steve Austin
Thanks for this!
unaluna
  #900  
Old Aug 03, 2024, 11:29 AM
unaluna's Avatar
unaluna unaluna is online now
Elder Harridan x-hankster
 
Member Since: Jun 2011
Location: Milan/Michigan
Posts: 42,038
Quote:
Originally Posted by LostOnTheTrail View Post
Way to go, Una!
I appreciate your postings! This is becoming a habit knock on wood!
Hugs from:
Lemoncake
Thanks for this!
LostOnTheTrail
Closed Thread
Views: 89897




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Couch 146 : The Untouchable, Nontotient, Octahedral, Composite Couch. Ellahmae Psychotherapy 966 Jul 14, 2017 07:28 AM
Couch 144: The contact-miked cactus couch anais_anais Psychotherapy 991 Jun 28, 2017 09:38 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:39 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® — Copyright © 2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.




 

My Support Forums

My Support Forums is the online community that was originally begun as the Psych Central Forums in 2001. It now runs as an independent self-help support group community for mental health, personality, and psychological issues and is overseen by a group of dedicated, caring volunteers from around the world.

 

Helplines and Lifelines

The material on this site is for informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment provided by a qualified health care provider.

Always consult your doctor or mental health professional before trying anything you read here.