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#51
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Thank you for your kind words.
![]() What if anything do you enjoy discussing with her? Can you tell us about a conversation with her that was at least somewhat enjoyable for you? |
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Thank you
![]() I like it when she talks about doing something proactive. Like taking a trip somewhere or meeting a friend. These things happen rarely. I also like it when she tells me about my aunt and my cousin because I don't have a direct contact with them.
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Okay. You feel obligated to speak with her, but right now it feels like a risky chore. She might be hurtful, and she will be boring.
With regard to the boredom: what if you ask her about what you want her to speak about--your aunt, your cousin, her proactivity. Even if she is not proactive, by asking her about it you plant seeds. How about her work, could that be interesting to hear about? Her tastes or suggestions in music? Just as an idea: maybe she can tell you some music that her students are working on, and you can listen to someone perform it online, eg on youtube? With regard to her making hurtful comments: this is where radical acceptance can really come in handy. This is how she is: clumsy sometimes, perhaps irritable, overly interested in you, intervening. Maybe you can come to accept that she is going to say these things--and maybe you can decide that they don't require a response? Maybe you can allow them to fly by as she moves on to the next topic? |
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Jenny, I just wanted to sympathize.
My mom shares a lot of the same traits as yours. We live in different states and when she visits she is insulted if we don't spend all of our time together. And she lets me know. She guilts me a lot. She will make a (what I consider) snide remark and when I call her on it she will say "oh I was only joking!" and act hurt that I found it offensive. She comes across as totally easy going "I'm happy with anything you want to do", but she is critical. Her new game is to pretend not to hear (she's elderly) but I notice that the quieter my husband and I are, the better she can hear us. She feels that ALL of our business is also her business and she gets offended if she finds anything out later...I could go on and on. I let her get to me for far too long. Now I am at the point where I just smile and nod. I try to respect her as a parent but I also am more objective than I used to be. It's a balancing act, really. I remind myself that this may the last time I see her and that I should have as much patience as humanly possible. She's lived through a lot. I have the advantage in that I also have children. It gives me a different viewpoint. It is not easy to separate from a parent. |
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Regarding the proactivity issue... When we proposed she gets a hobby she found that highly insulting. A while ago I suggested she takes a computer class and she said that she doesn't need it. She doesn't know how to copy/paste although she uses her computer every day... She is doing some small proactive things but unfortunately they are not interesting to me... Quote:
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sophiesmom, did anything change after you had your kids? We are planning to have kids in a couple of year from now and I am afraid my mother will shower me with her attention. I know she wants grandchildren...
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One thing that was advantageous to me by simply having children was that they had all of my attention and energy and also gave my mom a distraction. Our relationship issues did not lessen, but the kids took the focus off them. Not much help, I know, as I think it's a ymmv kind of thing. |
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That's actually helpful, sophiesmom. Now that I think about it I hardly ever ask her for any advice anymore.
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With regard to proactivity: I agree that you would not actually propose stuff to her. But you could cultivate her proactivity by encouraging her when she speaks about it, even if right now what she is proactive about isn't rewarding to discuss.
Right, I was thinking more about her work than her taste. What bothers you when you listen to hear speak about her work? About ignoring everything you don't like: it sounds like taking a few walks would be very helpful! What happens if you propose changes of subject? |
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She was living alone for the past 10 years and she is making tiny steps to change things. I don't know about encouraging her to do something... It might end up being something she doesn't want or like and the blame is on me again. I am starting to think that maybe she is just fine with the way her life is now.
Regarding listening her talk about work... Again, it's a conversation I just sit through. I don't know what bothers me about it. Maybe I just don't like the her attitude towards things. She doesn't seem to like a lot of people. She makes a lot of assumptions and then takes those assumptions for the truth. Once she said that a male colleague of hers who was living with his parents in his 40s must be seeing prostitutes... Because he is a man in his 40s living with his parents. And then she said that a male acquaintance of mine who was in his mid-30 must be seeing prostitutes... because he is a single man in his mid-30. Her stories are largely based on assumptions rather than facts and I don't really like that. Changing the subject usually works well.
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Just got off the phone with her. She called me to thank for the presents. She made me feel bad again. The conversation was nice right up until she assumed that I broke something at my in-laws' place (something broke there, but I had nothing to do with it). I asked why would she assume that I would break something. She started bringing up times when I would spill a drink or drop something. She would bring up specific examples that I don't even remember anymore. I told her that such small things happen (like spilling a drink) and there is nothing one can do about it. Then she said that I spill drinks and drop things more often than other people and that it's her job to criticize me about it. I reminded her that she wouldn't know that because we don't live together and I asked her if she thinks that I like being criticized about something so insignificant. She said that she knows that I hate it, but if she doesn't criticize me then who else will? So she's doing me a favor.
I don't drink, don't smoke, don't do drugs, don't do anything harmful to myself or others. So she criticizes me for dropping things and spilling drinks. I mean, seriously. Again, I didn't snap and I didn't say anything impolite. But I am shaking inside. She is making me feel bad on purpose - she knows I don't like it and she is still doing it. And I should be thankful apparently. I made her a present. I don't say anything mean to her. Why is she doing this to me? Does she think that it will bring us closer if she makes me angry? Ok, lesson learned - next time she asks me if I broke something I change the topic.
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(((((JustJenny)))))
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It's learned behavior......her mother was probably the same way????
They also love to hold onto the past memories & can't let go of them wanting to keep the past alive & well in their minds. Yep, moms like that one just has to sort of tolerate & not take what they say personally.....just "mom's being mom again" sort of stuff & write it off to that rather than the fact that she's intentionally attacking you. Some people don't know any other learned behavior & if they have no desire to change or reprogram their neuropathways for that behavior.....we end up stuck having to hear it for the REST of THEIR lives. It's sad but after my mother died, there was an area of relief though I missed her terribly it was like that area of stress in my life disappeared. Didn't mean I loved her any the less there was just an area of less stress & tension I felt without really realizing it until later looking back. Changing the topic is a great way to deal with it & she probably wouldn't even notice....as she sounds like someone who just blurts out what is on the top of their mind & when it's off the top it's replaced by something else.
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Thank you all for listening (err, reading!) to all of this and giving your feedback. It really helped me understand what is really bothering me the most.
It is indeed possible that my mother had a similar relationship with her mother. I don't know much about it, but I do know that when my mother met my father, my grandmother told my mother that she has to choose between her and my father. What kind of weird condition is that? Strange relationships must be running in the family...
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Either the same or different. I disliked how my mom was always reacted emotionally & took everything personally so I fought the world to be different creating my own form of dysfunction, different from my mom but dysfunctional in its own way
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I think this is all part of growing up. It doesn't just suddenly happen because of a birthday. It takes a long time sometimes.
We start to see parents as less parents, but more just regular people. We get more objective and sometimes discover that this person is not someone we would necessarily be friends with, all things being equal. I don't know if a strict upbringing has anything to do with it...I suspect it might, as we strive for approval, and being a well-behaved child is all we were allowed to be. It takes a loooong time to be psychologically independent and be okay with that. |
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Hi everyone.
I found this thread and decided to add to it rather than starting my own, because stories here remind me so much of my own mother and our "eternal struggle for control". Apologies in advance for the volume. First off, my mom is not the only culprit, my dad isn't much better, if not worse. He was a high functioning alcoholic who made life for everyone a living hell, but always excused himself with the fact that he provided well for us. Oh well, that "provision" bought an early grave for my sister. Almost did me in as well, but I escaped at 22. My mom was an enabler and never stood up for us or herself. She never made enough money and wasn't able to function independently, so that was used as an excuse for letting us suffer. But on the surface my relationships with parents were pretty good, I think I was suffering from Stockholm syndrome for the most of my life... After all they paid for everything, told me that I wouldn't last a day in the big bad world without them and made sure my self esteem never rose from under the floor boards. And then, all of a sudden, I got married and moved to another country! I think this move saved my life. I was already suicidal and suffering from crippling anxiety before I met my future husband. But I never really linked that directly to my parents behavior. Of course I knew dad's drinking was horrible, but I came to accept it as a part of life. When I put some distance between me and the parents I started seeing things in a different light. For example: I realized that it is not normal to be told basically your whole life that your dad can kill you if he wants, because he gave you life to start with.(Uhm, no? It's actually murder and he would go to prison!) Of course he would always add "just joking" at the end of the sentence, but somehow it didn't help as much as he thought. Mom tried to persuade me that I was a cripple who couldn't care for herself. She constantly told me how I almost died in childhood and how I had horrible health. I have never been sick after I left her. She would throw a fit if I tried to cook anything because "I made a mess". But then would complain to everyone that I would die of starvation if not for her. After I got married my parents started telling me that my husband was going to leave me because I was a bad wife. They didn't live with us, and never talked to him about his standards for a wife, but somehow they knew I was not cutting it. But he never left and after parent lost hope of me returning to them, the attacks became more cruel and sophisticated. The favorite thing for my mom to attack is my own mothering skills. After my daughter was born she was very displeased with the fact that she was not a sickly child. That I do not need advice on how to bring her back from the brink of death every other month and that I am generally coping well on my own. If I tried to list all the derogatory remarks she made towards me or my child, I could write and encyclopedia Britannica! Unfortunately for mom, my daughter has proven sturdy, smart and very well adjusted. This was a horrible thing indeed! Last time when my mom visited she even tried to invent health problems for her, since real ones were in short supply. She told my friend that my kid had a heart defect! NEVER ever was she diagnosed with it, or even had any symptoms, but mom just couldn't cope with a healthy grand daughter for some weird reason. I haven't seen her or dad for years, but we talk every week. And recently I finally realized that mom was jealous of me and resented every success I had in life. If mom had it her way, I would now be divorced, weighted 300 lb, had a child with all imaginable disorders and lived with her an dad for the rest of my miserable life, so they could suck the rest of my life blood out of me. It really hurts. Why can't I have parents who love me and want best for me? Why do I deserve it? Not that I am hoping for the answers to these questions, but just writing all of it out makes it better, so thanks for reading! Last edited by Ms.Beeblebrox; Jan 24, 2017 at 06:58 PM. |
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Ms. Beeblebrox!!! We have a lot in common, same acting parents but different circumstances. Too much to write at the moment but I would like to share with you!!!
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I'd love to hear your story! I find it very therapeutic to meet people with similar experiences. Please pm me whenever you want.
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