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Yes I am definitely trying to to do both. Listen to my gut and to my logic. It takes time to sort it all out.
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This may be superficial sounding, but I am very attracted to my husband! He's both very handsome and cute in my mind and there's definitely a chemistry between us. A physical reaction and real chemistry. We basically do it for each other. You don't always get that in a relationship, plus companionship. We have that. .. on the plus side. And for me attraction is very very important. I cannot be in a relationship without that spark of chemistry. I realize this is not everything that makes something work, but it certainly helps.
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Saying that the most intense chemistry I ever fell was for people who were the most wrong for me. I talked to a therapist about it and she said it’s common, and I am not alone in it, so it’s not just me. Our bodies subconsciously respond to what’s familiar. Often familiar is unhealthy pattern, unhealthy relationship pattern, often stems from family of origin. When we meet somebody who could be healthy and good for us it doesn’t always feel familiar so we might not subconsciously respond as strongly. If we stick it out it though it could grow into strong love that is sustainable. I am not saying feeling strong chemistry is wrong, it is just never enough to provide feelings of fulfillment and true happiness in a long run. I most certainly attracted to my husband or I’d not bother but I am a bit cautious when I hear about most intense chemistry. |
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Something quite miraculous happened last night. Hard to explain in detail, but he made a 180 degree turn last night for the first time & in a very different way, after he started an argument with me. I may be seeing some changed behavior. I do know this: if he starts just one more fight with me and if it goes down a similar path as past fights? I am DONE. It is too toxic and I will not put up with it.
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Why would you say this ? Anyone who starts a thread is allowed to say what they are looking for. Some want advice. Some want opinions and some want support. I don’t think Eve is necessarily looking for people to agree with her, I think she is looking for people to be mindful and supportive in what they say.
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Last night really turned things around all for the better. He apologized, he quickly regrouped after a heated argument that HE started, he saw that he was repeating what happened in his prior marriage, and he said this stops now... the fighting. I truly hope this means he will change his behavior and reactions to me. But now I have greater hope for better days with less fighting. I decided, like I wrote above, if I experience just one more toxic fight, I’m leaving and I’m done. He finally pushed me to my limits last night with the latest fight we had.
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This is wonderful news, Eve. People CAN change for the better if they really want to. It's a hard, continuing effort, but there's nothing like a special relationship to provide that motivation. Very best wishes to the both of you. ![]() |
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Sounds like he is realizing he has some bad patterns and is trying to stop them. That’s huge. If you set a boundary for yourself-“not one more fight that bad”, you need to tell him that because its only fair and gives him a chance to work with you on new ways of solving disagreements before things escalate. I would recommend working with him to make a list of ways to do this so you can refer to it when feelings start to rise. Maybe define the main disagreement, then take a walk to clear your heads. Is there a possible compromise, etc My therapist just gave me some rules for communicating that are supposed to prevent things lapsing into a fight. You’ve probably heard them. Things like saying “I understand what your saying...”. You could google this way of communicating.
You dont have to co-mingle your money. Sounds like you had better have separate accounts. In fact, that might take some of the stress down a notch.
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It's great that he's recognizing his problems, and I agree with this:
You're still going to have disagreements, and a part of a good relationship is being able to work through an argument in a healthy way. |
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![]() Those are great suggestions! I have told him I cannot handle it anymore. He knows it needs to stop. I think we definitely need some tools to help deescalate things and defuse any arguments in the future. |
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YES. That is the key operative word: resolve things in a HEALTHY way. What I've been experiencing with these fights is totally toxic. I cannot exist in a toxic relationship again. And I will not, no matter how hard it may be to leave.
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I came home today and looked around at our apartment and at everything we've created and built together to make it a nice home for ourselves. It made me very sad to think that this could break apart one day. I definitely have reached my limit through the course of this thread, however. I am now prepared mentally to walk away and break it off, IF I have to and IF he becomes toxic towards me again through fighting and nasty words being thrown. I will NOT put up with it. I have hope right now though, I don't know how much hope, but I truly hope that he can turn himself around. At least I know my limits. I feel good about that.
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![]() I agree with everything you wrote! You are so right on about all your points. I do have these rights, and I am definitely aware of it. I have made my voice known, and I will not be controlled OR silenced. If that is how he wants things to be, I will most definitely walk away..... but he does seem to have come around to a very different place than he has expressed before. So there's some hope... like I just wrote above. A sliver of hope. Thank you. (((((((hugs)))))))) |
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Good for you knowing your limits and asserting your rights (in a loving manner).
The way I look at things (and I realize that my opinion might not be popular- although I think you share it), that there are things in life that we MUST do and often having to put up with unpleasantries: we must have a job to pay bills, we must provide care for minor children if we have them, we must pay rent if we are renting etc Those are “musts”. Marriage in my opinion is not a MUST. It’s not something people have to do. One can be single and just enjoy friendships or single and date or single and live together etc etc Since marriage isn’t something we must have, I don’t believe that we must put up with something or accept something that we don’t enjoy or allow something or even simply have less than what we want. I personally see no reason. I am not saying people must divorce after one fight or expect 100% perfection but I honestly think something close to 100% is desirable, otherwise why be married? That’s why I am pleased to see that you want to stay if things improve and are good and you won’t put up with it if things are not right. That’s wise and logical approach. In a meanwhile I am glad he is showing improvement. Good news!!! |
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![]() I understand where you're coming from. I don't feel I must be married. I did want to find my life partner, for as long as I can remember. I held off for years to find "the right one". I thought I had the right one in my current man. And I may still have the right partner.... he needs growth... as do I. I don't have to be married though. I can see myself still being happily single, especially if I move residence out of state and start over. That sounds drastic. But like I said before on here, a lot is at stake IF we broke up, including my entire social life. And in that case, I may opt to move out of state. But I cannot let that be a reason to stay. I have never truly been afraid to be alone or to lose something valuable for the sake of my mental health and happiness. I can be very brave and strong, and that's what I am facing. At first, it was an abominable notion. I definitely know my limits. IF something happens that is far too toxic to my mental health, and if it becomes clear that this is in fact, a toxic relationship for me, I will have no choice but to leave. I know that much. TY again. ![]() |
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Have you told him that you'll leave is he's to revert back to his old ways just one more time? Not that you should have to, but sometimes people need to have it spelled out to them to appreciate the gravity of their actions and the consequences that could arise from them. Even if it appears obvious. Spoken confirmation basically seals it.
Otherwise, good luck. Hope it works out. |
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The gravity of the situation has now hit ME. In knowing my limit and in knowing if it happens again it's over for me, that makes this very serious. It is most sobering. I cannot help but feel the deepest sadness.
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Move out of state because he wont take anger management classes or see a couples counselor—slow down guys!
All we know is that he is verbally abusive during arguments and there are financial issues. Since he knows he has a bad pattern with this, make a penalty jar and hopefully he would agree to put $100 in the jar if he slips up. Maybe he would agree to see a counselor once there is x amount of money in the jar. DO NOT CO MINGLE YOUR MONEY. I DONT DO THAT, MY MOM DIDNT DO THAT. If he wont get help in terms of counselors, he can at least get workbooks on anger management, conflict resolution, etc. Workbooks are great because they break things down into steps and techniques a lot more than regular books. Amazon, easy to order and return. Do you each have some alone time and some separate activities so you have some personal space in your lives? Sounds like you are feeling trapped by formalizing things.
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