[Capriciousness]

the new post is insane people. for real. couldn't believe my eyes. seriously saw something that says that...or may be that we want it.

[CopperStar]

It's ridiculous but it's doesn't surprise me.

It's no longer socially acceptable to target minority races, or women, or minority religions, or LGBT+ people, etc.

The mentally ill are still a free for all, though.

Minority races are capable of achieving the same as majority races if given opportunity.
Women don't "ask for" or "deserve" violence or violation of any kind.
Pagans and atheists are not Satanic.
Homosexuality is not a disease.

But mentally ill people are mostly fakers who are asking for all the misery they get, and are drain on society. Blah blah blah.

Sounds about right. /s

More eugenics and pseudo-science propaganda at 11:00.

[convalescence]

The funny thing about these so-called eugenics, CopperStar, is that I can't think of one person from the top of my head who is "perfect" for reproduction. Mental illness and chronic illness are fairly common, and I don't know [anybody] who doesn't suffer from one and or the other.

On that note, unfortunately, a lot of people with mental illness think that it's their fault. Maybe this is where people come up with the misconception that those suffering from mental illness enjoy it? I know I sure don't enjoy suffering depression. I'm in a depressed state right now. I can't sit still, I'm eating way too much, sleeping too much, and feel trapped. Who would actually enjoy this or ask for this?

[CopperStar]

Originally Posted by convalescence

The funny thing about these so-called eugenics, CopperStar, is that I can't think of one person from the top of my head who is "perfect" for reproduction. Mental illness and chronic illness are fairly common, and I don't know [anybody] who doesn't suffer from one and or the other.

On that note, unfortunately, a lot of people with mental illness think that it's their fault. Maybe this is where people come up with the misconception that those suffering from mental illness enjoy it? I know I sure don't enjoy suffering depression. I'm in a depressed state right now. I can't sit still, I'm eating way too much, sleeping too much, and feel trapped. Who would actually enjoy this or ask for this?

Eugenics is just fake natural selection that actually works against real natural selection, ironically. Species do not evolve without adversity and challenge. And I do believe that humans evolve emotionally as well as in the typical ways. Eugenics endeavors attempt to eliminate adversity by eliminating people, rather than attempting to overcome and adapt. I studied it heavily years ago and tried to have objective and open mind. I think some who favor eugenics mean well but are very misguided, much like how most tragedies throughout human history have started. Unfortunately many who promote such things have very selfish and power-tripping god complexes and don't really mean well. What frustrates me the most is that it makes it difficult to trust treatment. Like knowing how relatively recent it was in history that forced sterilizations of 'undesirables' was widespread in my country, the fact that so many psychiatric medications cause sexual dysfunctions for so many people makes me extremely suspicious and uneasy. Hopefully someday as a species we'll overcome this hurdle as we are in the process of doing for many other groups, as well.

[lunaticfringe]

Very interesting stuff, thanks guys this is the stuff we should be talking about. The idea of eugenics does scare me but I try to remain hopeful that one day we will receive better treatment as other marginalized groups have.

[CopperStar]

Originally Posted by lunaticfringe

Very interesting stuff, thanks guys this is the stuff we should be talking about. The idea of eugenics does scare me but I try to remain hopeful that one day we will receive better treatment as other marginalized groups have.

I studied it heavily during a rather severe depression episode, while thinking along the lines that maybe the Third Reich was right, maybe if they had won then people like me wouldn't have to exist anymore, maybe all of the pain and abuse in my family - maybe that sort of thing wouldn't have to happen anymore. I was in a very depressed, suicidal and self-loathing state of mind. However I don't regret all the research I did, however morbid my motivation, because I learned quite a bit and it gave me a lot to really think about, such as my above conclusions in the end. Not to totally toot my own horn, but I think in some ways I'm impressive. I've survived a great deal, somehow, and my psychological resilience and self-control is through the bloody roof after all these years. My biggest motivation was always love that I felt for other people, not wanting to hurt them and wanting to be able to help them. And the sheer power behind that feeling pushed me much further than I ever would have imagined I could have gone when I was a younger teenager. I'm an extremely strong person these days and have been through a lot of spiritual, emotional and otherwise personal growth. I must admit an ornery part of me can only smirk at people who think it would be best to eliminate me. I think they're simply intimidated.

[raspberrytorte]

The first article is crap. Of course you're going to choose the sad stuff if you're depressed because you can relate to it. Haven't read the second article yet.

[lunaticfringe]

I think we are GIFTED in many ways. We are able to perceive SO much more than the average person, and though it is difficult to be so multi-dimensionally sensitive in the culture we live in we learn to cope and can grow from our struggles. Many of us have a very strong sense of compassion. We have a lot to be proud of I think.

P.S. I have also been very interested in what some would consider bizarre topics and done lots of research about many types of things. I am a curious person I guess. I get into mind sets where I want to know and experience EVERYTHING.

[CopperStar]

Originally Posted by lunaticfringe

I think we are GIFTED in many ways. We are able to perceive SO much more than the average person, and though it is difficult to be so multi-dimensionally sensitive in the culture we live in we learn to cope and can grow from our struggles. Many of us have a very strong sense of compassion. We have a lot to be proud of I think.

P.S. I have also been very interested in what some would consider bizarre topics and done lots of research about many types of things. I am a curious person I guess. I get into mind sets where I want to know and experience EVERYTHING.

Damn straight.

When you grow up feeling like a bit of a freak, the beautiful silver lining is that you lose your fear of considering all viewpoints - for the sake of considering them alone - and thinking outside of the social normalcy box.

Sometimes I feel like the 'deal' handed to us is basically, "You will be able to perceive and grow beyond what is normal, but it will be a very difficult and sometimes painful journey."

So it's not that I "like" depression. I am just strong enough to accept the cards I was dealt, and try to use them to grow as a person. Like so many others. If people have a problem with that, it's probably because they have yet to grow as a person, themselves.

[Capriciousness]

You guys are so brilliant. Wish you'd say some of this on the blog. It's too good

[sorand0m]

Wow. Read those articles and I don't know how I would respond to the author of both of those articles.

Actually I do. **** you!

I totally choose to be depressed and dysfunctional. That's a choice we all make every day, right?

Oh I love it all. Maybe we choose it all because we crave this dysfunction. I SO LOVE ALL OF THIS. I love the downs, I love the ups, I love constantly worrying that I'm going to wind up on a ****ing psych ward! These meds I choose to take are awesome!

I choose it all! **** those guys. I'm so mad.

[cmorales]

That is a great blog entry! I shared it on Facebook and Twitter so more people can read it.

[raspberrytorte]

Okay. Read second artical. Crap too. That one actually made me start geeking out, and then I read your blog about both and started geeking out even more! Lol.

Honestly, when you're in the depths of a hellish depression you can listen to all the happy music you want, go for walks, watch funny movies, etc., and you're still going to be depressed. It helps for distraction I suppose, but the depression will still be there. I know. Couple summers ago when I was in the worse depression ever I did do all of the above. By the end of the summer I was so frustrated and pissed off about feeling suicidal and depressed I was starting to do ANYTHING I could think of to get rid of it. Vitamins, supplements, writing in my journal everyday, meditation.

Only thing that got me out of it was having my lamictal dose upped to 300mg.

Idiots who have never been depressed! They make me laugh. Stupid.

[Lonlin3zz]

Just read the article itself, it relates to how my older brother thinks I like to give up on myself and prefer not to go out and mix with the outside world.

Just one, ****ing, meme to describe this:

[Axiom]

It is blatantly clear that these so-called scientists who overanalyze their results and proceed to make completely irrational conclusions are severely lacking in the understanding-crazy-people department.

Your blog post was very well-written and you seem to have a talent for hitting the nail on the head.

[avlady]

i also think there are alot of gifted people who have mental issues, they are creative and have a differrent perspective. its nice to talk and be with them alot of times.

[Crazy Hitch]

Yeah, I'd give that a big fat thumbs down, don't think any of us do. Sorry you had to read that

[Cocosurviving]

Originally Posted by Lonlin3zz

Just read the article itself, it relates to how my older brother thinks I like to give up on myself and prefer not to go out and mix with the outside world.

Just one, ****ing, meme to describe this:

This I can understand. When I was very depressed I received nothing but ***t from my family. They act like
I was doing it on purpose to piss them off!?!? Like I really enjoyed feeling the way I did and having the lifestyle I had. They did nothing to learn only to blame.

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[Capriciousness]

Originally Posted by Axiom

It is blatantly clear that these so-called scientists who overanalyze their results and proceed to make completely irrational conclusions are severely lacking in the understanding-crazy-people department.

Your blog post was very well-written and you seem to have a talent for hitting the nail on the head.

Thanks so much!

[CopperStar]

Originally Posted by Cocosurviving

This I can understand. When I was very depressed I received nothing but ***t from my family. They act like
I was doing it on purpose to piss them off!?!? Like I really enjoyed feeling the way I did and having the lifestyle I had. They did nothing to learn only to blame.

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My personal favorite is when my mother, who has a very lucrative and successful career, total independence and freedom, a healthy marriage, many friends and takes multiple vacations around the world per year, comes home to me, someone with mental illness who has no independence, no life, no freedom, no friends, no hobbies, nothing but but being trapped in a house all day with my miserable thoughts and feelings - and proceeds to both tell me all about her wonderful life while also copping a passive-aggressive attitude because she has to go work while I can't work right now. I mean what in the actual ****.

[Standup2me]

Originally Posted by lunaticfringe

Very interesting stuff, thanks guys this is the stuff we should be talking about. The idea of eugenics does scare me but I try to remain hopeful that one day we will receive better treatment as other marginalized groups have.

Do you ever think that the day will come that we are not scorned?

[CopperStar]

Originally Posted by Standup2me

Do you ever think that the day will come that we are not scorned?

Know this question wasn't at me but hope you don't mind me giving it a whirl, too. I personally believe that the sooner psychiatric science can figure out how to objectively confirm mental illness, the better. I think this will help take away a lot of the "fear of the unknown" element when it's objectively easier to understand. They have been doing some studies in recent years trying to come up with brain scans, biomarkers, etc. One promising study showed an objective, testable correlation between sleep-deprivation effects and psychosis, so like they are working on being able to test someone who is not-sleep deprived yet as the same objective results which would confirm psychosis activity. As an example. I think the more we can understand and have objective evidence, the better. This will help get rid of the fear of the unknown stuff, as well as put people at ease who are worried about "fakers" trying to "leech off welfare" so on. I really hope something becomes of these studies.

[lunaticfringe]

Originally Posted by Standup2me

Do you ever think that the day will come that we are not scorned?

I really hope that I live to see the day that I am accepted by society. Right now I am honestly not very hopeful.

[Capriciousness]

Originally Posted by lunaticfringe

I really hope that I live to see the day that I am accepted by society. Right now I am honestly not very hopeful.

Yeah I think it isn't a simple thing or an either or thing. I think that the stigma surrounding mental illness is just soooo pervasive and strong. I think people really aren't comfortable with the idea that people can be "unstable" mentally. I honestly think that I would be if I was not Bipolar and immersed in this world. Just being honest. But I hope that there can be some sort of forward movement in the understanding department. I think a lot of it is education and changing people's perceptions of the "mentally ill". Blah. First step get rid of that word. Ick.

I guess that what just a lot of talking about how I think possibly we could maybe hope for a little more understanding of some kind but real change is a very tall order which is why I say that most important right now is that WE feel more empowered. that we start seeing ourselves in a different light. That we become a stronger more united voice. We are all hidden and beaten down and suffering. We need light out lights shine a little more.

Thanks lunatic. I know what I'm posting tomorrow.

[Capriciousness]

Originally Posted by Standup2me

Do you ever think that the day will come that we are not scorned?

Maybe we won't. But maybe somebody will. Things seems to be moving slowly.