[SorryShaped]

Is it ok to choose suicide? I'm not religious, other than a mile case of Daoism. I don't really believe in hell or punishments by some supreme being. I'm tired of always hurting physically, mentally, and emotionally. Is it ok to choose to die?

[Underdevelopment]

Hi Sorryshape,


There's a politically correct answer and a compassionate and empathetic answer. I am sure when I say this, that I speak for everyone on the forum when I say no one wants you to chose suicide as an option for ending your pain. No one wants you to be in pain either. That leaves me asking what options do you still have available? Medication, therapy, and changes in circumstances are all options. None may be appealing. But all offer hope. With hope comes the courage, and courage builds the strength to try other options. Even if right at this point in time you cannot see hope, you cannot see anyway out and away from pain, don't give up fighting.


You are irreplaceable.


Do you have someone you can talk to? You can PM me anytime.

[MsSunflower]

I'm not religious either but I still think it's not really an option. You can't imagine the hurt and damage it would do to everyone around you. For every person who has had a friend or family member commit suicide, was person who thought they didn't matter. But they did and so do you. You owe it to yourself and everyone you've touched in life to keep fighting. Don't give up, we're all here for you.

[Nola0250]

To me it’s not an option. Not that I haven’t thought about it or wanted desperately to be dead. I definitely have. But frankly I owe it to those in my life that have cared for me NOT to put them through that, even if I’d rather not keep living sometimes.

I know it’s really hard sometimes to keep going. Please don’t go. You are important to more people than you probably realize.

[Wander]

I agree wholeheartedly that suicide is not a way out. My love for life, which lowers when unwell, keeps me alive. Though I’ve made several attempts I’m so thankful that I survived. In the depths of darkness it can seem like the best option but that is because our brains are working against us.

However, there have been times where I literally lose my mind and cannot think straight (usually during bad mixed states and/or during psychosis. At those times I need hospitalisation to keep me safe. Still, those times terrify me as I can be crafty and get around those trying to keep me alive.

Basically I’m saying that suicide is not an option but when we lose our ability to think straight it is not a choice but a result of our illness. Also, I hold no judgment on those who have/will done it. We can never know what led that person to do it.

[bizi]

In my state it is not ok.

Other states have right to die/assisted euthanasia on the books but I am unsure about their requirements.
I believe you have that right.
Only you know if you have exhausted your options.
In this state they will lock you up if you are a threat to yourself or another.
But if you are bound and determined to kill yourself then eventually you will.

Having said all of this....
My brother killed himself and it about ruined my family.
My parents blamed themselves, they are still not over it some 25 years later.
Mental illness is something we don't look sick. no one can get into your mind.
We can encourage you to try different coping skills and different medications. Talk with a therapist, get a good pdoc. WE want to make a difference in your life...we want to help you cope and offer support. That is what this forum is all about. Providing you hope and support.
This is what you need from us.
I hope you will consider the forever decision which is a good book. Good grief is another excellent book.
I am here, private message me if you want.
I offer you hugs today.((((HUGS))))
bizi

[Underdevelopment]

Not an option.

But, personally, I have had people including therapists say "think of the pain it will cause others.." Or "it doesn't remove the pain, it gives it to someone else"

That line of reasoning, when I am not thinking straight, leaves me feeling guilty and worse about myself, thus compounding the problem. That is when asking me " has there ever been any good times in my life that have occurred", and "is it possible that anything good could happen again?" is helpful. Sometimes all I need is just that glimmer of hope. Guilt is a bad motivator.

Having said that, i agree with everyone else who says its not an option. Put it out of your mind as ever even being an option, so that way it's not a thought you get to as quickly.

[MsSunflower]

Originally Posted by Underdevelopment

Not an option.

But, personally, I have had people including therapists say "think of the pain it will cause others.." Or "it doesn't remove the pain, it gives it to someone else"

That line of reasoning, when I am not thinking straight, leaves me feeling guilty and worse about myself, thus compounding the problem. That is when asking me " has there ever been any good times in my life that have occurred", and "is it possible that anything good could happen again?" is helpful. Sometimes all I need is just that glimmer of hope. Guilt is a bad motivator.

Having said that, i agree with everyone else who says its not an option. Put it out of your mind as ever even being an option, so that way it's not a thought you get to as quickly.

While I absolutely think your perspective is valid and glad you have found your own way to combat those feelings without guilt- I have personally found the idea of leaving behind my Mom and the pain it would cause her to be at times the only thing that has kept me going. I guess everyone just needs to find what motivates and works for them.

[SorryShaped]

It's a thought that has stayed with me most of my life. I've been through all the bipolar meds and have recently restarted one I had a prior problem with. I would see it as ending their pain, stopping them from having to deal with my stuff that I really cannot gain self-control of. There isn't a fix for the physical pain, just temporary options. I haven't been able to cry for days but I'm also feeling some of the lowest I've felt ever. When a person with terminal illness dies, people say they aren't in pain any more. That sounds so freeing.

[Underdevelopment]

20 years of meds have come and gone. For me, I'm older, wiser, we have more drugs available, better understanding of bipolar, yet I still falling in the deathly darkness of depressions pits. Still making stupid decisions, still acting on manic thoughts.

Probably will til the day I die.

Possible trigger:

Death ends everything. It leaves a mess. It's a sobering thought that someone will find you. That will stay with hem for life. There will be so many that will say "if only" and have to live with knowing that maybe they could have done more. Funerals. Shame. Blame. Love lost, hope lost, potential lost.

That's why suicide isn't an option. Even when you cant find reason to stay alive. One therapist drummed it into me.

"While you're still breathing, there is hope of better"

It's hard for me to write about this topic. Two years ago my family lost my 24 year old nephew to suicide. Yesterday my 77 year old father was again taken to the psych hospital on suicide watch. Does that sound like a good thing? Are/were we better off without them? Would it really be the best for them?

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SorryShaped]

Would you rather I suffer indefinitely, like I have almost my entire life? I've been in severe physical pain nearly constantly since I was a teen. I've dealt with mental struggles my entire life. I don't trust myself, ever. This leaves me not trusting most people. Meds suck, but I've taken them anyway. I've been in therapy more than I've not been. I'm exhausted with everything and even if I get a few months of more stable, I'll wind up back here, ready to end it. I don't have a plan. I just don't care because I don't feel like I should.

[bizi]

I hope you cycle into some more good months soon.
(((((HUGS)))))
bizi

[fern46]

For me it is not ok, but I can understand how our brains and hearts might convince us it is the best option. I believe life has purpose, even in great suffering. I experienced severe trauma, but there was meaning and purpose in it. It is a mix of super sour lemons and sweet lemonade.

I am sorry you are suffering. It isn't my place to judge you or your thought process. All I can say is one human to another I hope you choose to stay. You matter. I hope somehow things begin to improve for you. Blessings.

[Unrigged64072835]

Lots of things to take into account before making a decision like this.

It’s not for me even though I’m in chronic pain every day now. I have things to do and people to be with, places to see, and so on. Others are in different circumstances. I don’t judge because I’ve felt that pain before.

honestly it isn't fair of you to ask us for our opinions & then for you to base your decision on them. Would you rather I suffer indefinitely, like I have almost my entire life? do I want you to suffer? no but I also don't want to be part of the discussion on if you should end your life.

only you can make that call. we can tell you to get help, get therapy, meds etc. you say you've been in pain since you were young..so you know the drill....follow it. or it sounds harsh, or not, but don't put the onus on members here for the decision.

you must think your life is worth something if you come to a forum where there is a pretty sure 100% chance folks will say live.

[SorryShaped]

No matter what I do, I always end up feeling like this.
I stupidly drank an energy drink I shouldn't have earlier trying to fight the depression and it caused a panic attack. I really can't win.

in my personal opinion, I think each and everyone of us can only hold a certain amount of pain- for some people, that's a lot, for some people, that's not much at all and though I certainly don't think suicide is the first option you should go for (their's therapy, meds, etc) I wouldn't blame someone if they decided to take their life, because in the end they've been trying too long and they just want it over- a perfectly valid thing to want

I watched a programme once and they were talking about once people can't do what they enjoy doing, or have a passion for, then they tend to think like that and end their lives

so what if you never had a passion to begin with

and what if, for example, you don't have anyone

it's one thing to talk about the people left behind, but what if you wouldn't have that

I guess what I'm saying is you can't rule suicide out as an option, because you don't know what the person's circumstance is.

for me, most of it's down to hatred of life and missing out on so many things

with all that said, I hope you stay around.

you are a valued member here on the forum and we all love you

[SorryShaped]

I have nothing left, really. Things I was passionate about don't matter, even to me. I'm tired, so very very tired. I haven't got the energy to find something new or anyone new or the energy to want either. I'm really over trying. I'm over hurting. The only reason I haven't is because I don't want to hurt my kids. But, they are adults and know how I am and that I'm not well. It hurts them when they have to deal with me.

[Sometimes psychotic]

I think if you’re non religious then it’s the absolute end, nothing, a void. There must be something left that you want out of life? Bipolar waxes and wanes...wait for the return of the good times. Enjoy a cup of tea or a coffee, watch the rain, a sunrise, sunset. Do something new you’ve never done before. Set a goal, maybe a place you’d like to see? There’s always something.

Originally Posted by SorryShaped

I have nothing left, really. Things I was passionate about don't matter, even to me. I'm tired, so very very tired. I haven't got the energy to find something new or anyone new or the energy to want either. I'm really over trying. I'm over hurting. The only reason I haven't is because I don't want to hurt my kids. But, they are adults and know how I am and that I'm not well. It hurts them when they have to deal with me.

ditto (well, apart from the kids part)

litirally the only reason I've not (well, 2 reasons), is:

Possible trigger:

1. I can't seem to get it right. my attempts are never good enough

2. I'd miss this forum too much and the people here.

I've thought about a life without psychcentral and it just makes me cry

(yep, I am officially sad.)

[SorryShaped]

I've tried over a dozen times. Never succeeded/always failed. I don't feel like trying any more things.

[stahrgeyzer]

That's a tough topic. I wish you the best. You know that certain blunt answers are best left for private conversations. And even in a private conversation most people would be afraid that their blunt answer might lead you to suicide. I don't know anyone who would want someone else to commit suicide. Maybe that's the way it should be, but honestly I know plenty of people who would like to cease existing.

Originally Posted by SorryShaped

I've tried over a dozen times. Never succeeded/always failed. I don't feel like trying any more things.

their's a religious answer, that answer being that god has a purpose for your life- but I don't know where you stand with all that stuff. I'm not going to start with all that if you don't believe in it