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Old Jan 28, 2019, 05:23 PM
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Old Jan 28, 2019, 05:35 PM
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Old Jan 28, 2019, 06:07 PM
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Old Jan 29, 2019, 07:51 AM
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i need a valium on the bus right now....
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Old Jan 29, 2019, 12:42 PM
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 07:58 AM
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when I hit the real world of work and relationships I broke down...
I never ever thought life would and could be so hard ....so awfully hard...
I am just an ordinary guy from ohio ....I went into being a doctor
and it broke me down....I am glad that I survived and helped out some..
but I thought I would be able to discover and help people much more...
it never happened...it was a big disappointment....mental illness????
depression??????????anxiety?????panic???????????
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 09:21 AM
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now back to what might help with our mental suffering...
I like what dr dean ornish is saying about lifestyle medicine...
4 things he points out as important-----
1...what are you eating
2...how much are you moving
3...how are you handling stress
4...how much love and support do you have..

that's it from his new book
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 09:39 AM
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I really wanted to help people who were suffering from
depression after I had a very serious depression breakdown...
but when I found out how screwed up psychiatry was....
it was a terrible letdown and eventually led to another breakdown...
some of the people I knew were killing themselves....why why why
if the treatment was so good how come good persons were dying...
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 09:49 AM
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I left my first husband when I realized that he is causing me to be depressed. His power over me was so strong. He killed my self-confidence. He almost killed me. I was thinking about suicide but, for people outside I looked perfect and without any trace of depression. When we divorce everybody was surprised but I felt alive again.
Now, my depression is caused by high level of physical pain and chemo therapy I went through.
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 09:53 AM
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Little Turtle from you're years of experience both as a doctor and as a patient,
Outside of the meds,
Taken into account that a person has a healthy lifestyle,
Do you have any advice on handling our toxic feelings?

Much love to you and everyone reading today
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 09:55 AM
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For me, the depression doesn't have a cause. It's a genetic chemical imbalance. Quite a few members of my family have mental illnesses more severe than depression.

The only thing that helps me is taking anti-depressants. With them I can live on my own and hold down a job.

Have you tried anti-depressants little turtle?
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 09:59 AM
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when I hit the real world of work and relationships I broke down...
I never ever thought life would and could be so hard ....so awfully hard...
I am just an ordinary guy from ohio ....I went into being a doctor
and it broke me down....I am glad that I survived and helped out some..
but I thought I would be able to discover and help people much more...
it never happened...it was a big disappointment....mental illness????
depression??????????anxiety?????panic???????????
Do not be so sad just because you have not been able to help someone. You will be able to help someone just by being empathetic about their mental health symptoms and how they are affecting their lives.
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 10:02 AM
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Little Turtle from you're years of experience both as a doctor and as a patient,
Outside of the meds,
Taken into account that a person has a healthy lifestyle,
Do you have any advice on handling our toxic feelings?

Much love to you and everyone reading today
The answer for handling toxic feelings might be to find a good counselor who will use mindfulness as technique and some other therapy. If you do not like your counselor go.. and find the one you like.
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 10:24 AM
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some really good comments about our suffering...thanks
each person is different...we have some things in common...
anti-depressants have not worked out real well for me....
for me letting out my feelings safely without hurting others is important...
those feelings sometimes give me a clue as to what is disturbing me..
I am trying very hard to deal with everything about me----guilts/traumas/hurts/+++
I want to be a friend to me just like thirty shades has been saying...not my own enemy...
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 10:29 AM
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If you need to let your feelings out, feel free to message me. I don't have PTSD and won't get triggered.

Sorry you feel so bad.
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 02:32 PM
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Little Turtle from you're years of experience both as a doctor and as a patient,
Outside of the meds,
Taken into account that a person has a healthy lifestyle,
Do you have any advice on handling our toxic feelings?

Much love to you and everyone reading today
Little turtle, outside of meds what can help us. Please help.

I cannot take meds. Please help.

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Old Jan 30, 2019, 02:57 PM
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when I hit the real world of work and relationships I broke down...
I never ever thought life would and could be so hard ....so awfully hard...
I am just an ordinary guy from ohio ....I went into being a doctor
and it broke me down....I am glad that I survived and helped out some..
but I thought I would be able to discover and help people much more...
it never happened...it was a big disappointment....mental illness????
depression??????????anxiety?????panic???????????


Life is very hard. I have been told I can’t handle life. I also have panic attacks. I also have major depression and anxiety. Little turtle I am confused. You’re a doctor I think? And I’ve read you’ve been on antidepressants. I’m unclear why antidepressants are being suggested to you. They have made me very sick indeed.
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 03:01 PM
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Little turtle, outside of meds what can help us. Please help.

I cannot take meds. Please help.

Can you find a good counselor? There is a lot helpful stuf in their tool box. I know a lot of people who are dealing with depression without medications just counseling.
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 05:59 PM
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yes it helps so much to have a therapist that helps you....
very very important...but get connected with someone good..
my psychologist was so good....
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 06:12 PM
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yes it helps so much to have a therapist that helps you....
very very important...but get connected with someone good..
my psychologist was so good....
How can you tell if they are good to begin with? I saw a couple who seemed ok to begin with but one in particular was not. He cut me off. And was very mean, and I have heard of many others who have been cut off, when most in need in this forest. It’s very scary. I’m sorry that my truth is not more encouraging. I do not want to be bitten for speaking my truth. I had at least 4 years of appalling therapy and more than that with doctors who didn’t care at all. They are trained in this forest to cut people off. And to Blame the patient. If we can’t tolerate the freakin meds we are in Deep ****
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 06:18 PM
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Fuzzybear, your counselor push you to change and you have not been ready. That is it. Hard work is on you and your counselor is only giving you a tool. I know it is hard to listen and apply when you need it. I am sorry, to hear that you did not find a good one. But keep looking because with someone you will find safe place and working environment for change.
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 06:37 PM
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The answer for handling toxic feelings might be to find a good counselor who will use mindfulness as technique and some other therapy. If you do not like your counselor go.. and find the one you like.
The UK is not good at therapy. CBT only
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 06:42 PM
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some really good comments about our suffering...thanks
each person is different...we have some things in common...
anti-depressants have not worked out real well for me....
for me letting out my feelings safely without hurting others is important...
those feelings sometimes give me a clue as to what is disturbing me..
I am trying very hard to deal with everything about me----guilts/traumas/hurts/+++
I want to be a friend to me just like thirty shades has been saying...not my own enemy...
Thank you Little Turtle, my feelings may be a great place to start...

I have found that writing or typing my thoughts can help me from keep replaying the same thoughts....
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 06:46 PM
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How can you tell if they are good to begin with? I saw a couple who seemed ok to begin with but one in particular was not. He cut me off. And was very mean, and I have heard of many others who have been cut off, when most in need in this forest. It’s very scary. I’m sorry that my truth is not more encouraging. I do not want to be bitten for speaking my truth. I had at least 4 years of appalling therapy and more than that with doctors who didn’t care at all. They are trained in this forest to cut people off. And to Blame the patient. If we can’t tolerate the freakin meds we are in Deep ****


The UK cannot cope if CBT is not a cure. We are then blamed for not doing it correctly.
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Old Jan 30, 2019, 06:54 PM
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Fuzzybear, your counselor push you to change and you have not been ready. That is it. Hard work is on you and your counselor is only giving you a tool. I know it is hard to listen and apply when you need it. I am sorry, to hear that you did not find a good one. But keep looking because with someone you will find safe place and working environment for change.
Therapy may help some people.

For those of us with CPTSD with depression and anxiety, my GP tells me there is no cure. Just management which helps but when we are overwhelmed, triggered all the time, life is unbearable....

The support we give each other and knowing we are not alone is very much appreciated. Being accepted AS IS, being our own friend is a starting point...
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