an alter that does not believe in DID????

hi...

was wondering... if any of you have one alter or more that do not believe in DID????

and.. how do you deal with that alter???

thanks....

yeah - i do. i won't say her name for safety reasons. but she used to be the host. she went through a lot of shock and anger to find out there were alters and that she may actaully *be* one.
At this time, the system believes that there is no one host. We have a name we go by, but it is more a collective name for everyone to simplify things.
wow - some reason this topic is making the system switch a lot - i am having quite the time typing this out.
Hmmm there are times when that former "host" is up front that the believe in DID/MPD is non-existant. She won't look at it, won't see the effects or funny things that happen, won't understand seemingly random feelings (that others in the system are feeeling) and thus can be ver suseptable to those alters that cause self harm or try to talk her into removing herself from the world.

I think that is all i can write - good question tho

I'm never quite sure what it means to 'not believe in DID'.
I think that many of the things that we think about DID are false...
But you can't really deny that some people really do meet criteria.

It might be that there are elements of truth in the scepticism.
It isn't an all or none thing.
One can accept some of it and question some other aspects.

;-)

Yes, but this was specifically about alters within a DID system that do not believe in it... alters that don't understand and don't believe in the other alters.
Kiya

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alexandra_k said:
I'm never quite sure what it means to 'not believe in DID'.
I think that many of the things that we think about DID are false...

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Most of the people that post in this thread do not have to decide if the things we hear about DID are true or not - FOR WE LIVE THEM...... DID is a part of our every day LIFE.

Now as far as one her alters not believing in DID - it is just like some one not believing in GOD (either you do or you don't) - basically one of her alters refuses to accept she (they) have DID for the alter does not believe it is real, that it exist.

As long as another doesn't pick on or take advantage of them isn't that just one of their attributes? It's sad but that alter should be more easy to manipulate since it's "blind" in a sense. I'd just do an "uh huh" and work around it. Hard though, as Kiya says about hers, if she's up front and others are doing SI or bad things behind her. But she'd have to not be very strong if she "sees" that happening, thinks it's herself (since she doesn't see or believe in the others) and can't stop or change it even though she's the one who is out? If there are others, stronger, I'd talk to them about switching with her when things get beyond her control? Maybe someone can befriend her like one would a little? Or is she obnoxious in her disbelief so no one wants anything to do with her?

I'm confused...

What am I?
Some might say I'm an alter...
And some might say that I'm...
Shall we say...
Sceptical.

You don't get much more on topic than that...

What does the 'alter' deny?

Does the alter deny that the body meets dx criteria for DID?

I guess I think...

That the basic idea is that one should 'deal with them' by trying to
1) Understand their perspective (figure out what they really are saying / thinking)
2) Validate the inherant grain of wisdom in their perspective.

I'd be surprised if the alter really was trying to deny that the body meets dx criteria for DID (unless the alter is in an intense emotional state in which case they might be trying to express / communicate emotion rather than thoughts at any rate).

So... What is the alter trying to say?

this is really messing with my mind.

free - we end up not 'dealing' with that alter... when that alter is in front, it is as id she is all there is and since she doesn't get it, there isn't much to be done. she doesn't understand... and i think really, she can be easily deluded by the others - i notice her mind fogs easily when one who wants to harm steps in. so she sort of knows what is going on when that happens, but doesn't know why or how to stop it. just thinks she must be bad or wicked to not be able to stand against such things from her own "self".

you just gotta do what you can, eh?

Thinking abou this - difficult - the "fog" is coming in (another ...part i gues... a censoring part) think think think...

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Hard though, as Kiya says about hers, if she's up front and others are doing SI or bad things behind her. But she'd have to not be very strong if she "sees" that happening, thinks it's herself (since she doesn't see or believe in the others) and can't stop or change it even though she's the one who is out? If there are others, stronger, I'd talk to them about switching with her when things get beyond her control? Maybe someone can befriend her like one would a little? Or is she obnoxious in her disbelief so no one wants anything to do with her?

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no - it is just that she was put out front for like 2 decades and therefore thinks she is all there is. like putting a puppet out. it is a sticky topic within. she wasn't really the core - the core was hidden so now the child core and the adult core are integrated, then there are the other parts, the censor, those that do harm, and the one who is no longer "in front" the most. but when she is in front.... she doesn't hear the others. i think perhaps because things have been hidden from her for so long to protect the system. she is not used to hearing them. her senses are deadened from them. i am really numbing out with this topic.... i am glad it is brought up - i think it is good stuff to look at, just censor doesn't want me to know it. i have to fight for every word typed and each one nearly is spelled wrong and i have to fix it.

So the others put her out front? Or did censor put her out front to deaden what was going on from everyone because she's blind, deaf, ignorant so the information they could receive through her would be limited? What is/was her purpose in the system?

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So... What is the alter trying to say?

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Just what has been stated - That DID is NOT REAL...... just like when one of my alters (gone now) did not believe in God even though I "the host body" was a Christian.

Sigh. Looks like there is more going on with respect to this thread than I know (e.g., this was a specific question for a particular person?)

> she was put out front for like 2 decades and therefore thinks she is all there is.

Ah. Kind of like how a person could (in theory) be raised in an environment where they never hear about tigers or cows and so they don't have a reason to believe in them.

Like how the majority of people who present with DID don't have clear cut alters, anyway, they have 'transient windows of diagnosability'. The therapist needs to persuade the client that explaining their life in terms of 'not me's' is the thing to do... Then one has the thing of trying to come to grips with 'not me's' that one wasn't aware of before. And the current theory has it that the 'not me's' were there all along just waiting to be dug out.

There are thoughts / feelings / emotions that one isn't so aware of... Like how one can divert ones attention from other things that are hard, too.

Alex, once again I am sorry for what ever it is that has you triggered here, but I have to say that I personally do not see where any one is telling you that is not ok to reject what ever it is that you do not believe in or where any of us have said that you are going against the forum rules.

IMO - I think your reactions here is more about YOU than about the question the original poster asked / stated?

May you find some inner PeAcE and Soon.

((( HUGS )))) -

> Alex, once again I am sorry for what ever it is that has you triggered here

?
I'm not triggered.

> but I have to say that I personally do not see where any one is telling you that is not ok to reject what ever it is that you do not believe in

No, I don't see anybody saying that.

Peace.

I believe they are two different things. One, in the Present tense saying "I don't believe in DID" is discounting someone else.
While talking about having difficulty with an alter who doesn't understand about a DID system is the issue that freewill brough up and asked if anyone has experience with.
I have experience with that, and it is that which i was sharing with free... and now with perna who is asking good questions that the system is having a hard time answering.

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So the others put her out front? Or did censor put her out front to deaden what was going on from everyone because she's blind, deaf, ignorant so the information they could receive through her would be limited? What is/was her purpose in the system?

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I suppose the purpose of the former host is like that of a two-way mirror. Everyone behind can get pertinent information of what is happening and can come through it and take over when needed - but she cannot actually see or do anything about the system, and just appeared "normal" to the outside world and deflected questions. I keep being told from the professionals that I am "far more normal than i have any right to be" and that i don't "look like there is anything wrong with me". What ever those things mean. She is a chamelion and does her job well. She's not out nearly as much anymore - but typically is in therapy (helpful, eh? -sarcastic). We used to be completely invisible... harder to do now that we're working on healing... not all the parts are, of course... but there it is.

Thank you everyone... for your input... I have been physically sick... sore sore throat... so haven't been back...

Yes, it was a specific.. question.. aimed at me...

one specific alter within my entire system of alters...

so most of you.. understood... and that really helped....

yes.. it is a very difficult topic... cause... it.. does kinda "mess" with the system... the mind.. ya know...

yes, this one alter... not the host... doesn't believe that she is an alter or a host or DID.... and she needs and is being dealt with... by my T... how this happened.. don't know..

and it is pretty well... like having one alter that does not believe in God... while.. the host.. and other alters are Christian... just like that..

and it is hard to work around... but has to be dealt with...

I just wondered if I was the only DID person that had an alter like that... and if anyone had experience with it..

Peace to all.... and (((((lovies))))

nope - you're not alone. it does get interesting when (for me) that one alter takes over and nearly throws out all the work that has been done because she doesn't believe in any of it.
Today i am mourning some because my old computer died-totally - and took with it all my notes, all my journeling of this processes - notes from my therapists, about my healing... and i hadn't backed up any of it. Very Very sad.
kiya