pedophiles, genital mutilation, WARNING graphic post

OK this is gonna be gross, so not for anybody feeling fragile.

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I have been following this pedophile/Dateline chatter with extreme personal interest. I cannot fathom being "attracted" to a child. How? How? How? can some adult who feels those things and knows it is wrong ........???? do that to a child.

Well, gang, I have not found the answer to any of my questions, I have, in fact, only come up with some more....

Brace yourselves for this one: The new "big thing" in cosmetic surgery: women are having their genitalia reshaped to resemble the genitalia of little girls. I kid you not.

As if that isn't horrific enough, the mutilation desensitizes and diminishes the woman's ability for sexual response. So, in order to please these men who want their women to look like little girls "down there"........ who/what are these men?? Pedophiles who rein themselves in????? And where is self esteem is these young women.......???? Where's the Women's Movement when you need it? I think this is called backlash.......

I am ready to understand, somebody, please, explain it to me!!???? Please. Thank you.

And I thought the idea of shaving your privates was to look...younger...

This is really sick stuff. Hillbunny, I agree...we as women need to learn to respect ourselves, find our own value, etc., instead of looking for it in a man and catering to their every want and desire.

And where is self esteem is these young women.......????

Perhaps this is the key...

They have no self esteem. They had no one to teach them.

Perhaps any sense of self was taken from them when they were little girls by sick people just like this.

Sick people who these women now find themselves attracted to because some attention is better than none.

Just like hookers and strippers are, nine times out of ten, childhood sexual abuse vitims who get trapped into (they believe) having "power" over men the only way they know how. The only way they were taught. The only way they feel worth anything. (double-edged sword here)

I dunno. Just my opinion.

i read about the "restructuring" about a month ago......saw three ads in the Austin newspapers for it this weekend. they don't say that it is to look "younger".......the ads are very, very "dignified" and "classy".......you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out though. they also offer restoring virginity.

does anyone remember the little girl who was killed in Colorado? the little child who was made up, her hair was bleached and she was dressed as an adult woman in the children's beauty pageants? didn't that ring really off to you?

as Petunia said, things happen in childhoods that forever alter a woman's life......can you imagine how that little girl had to live to be dressed and shown off as a sexy little "woman"? after i saw all of those photos of her and the videos of her on the runways, i was sickened by what she had been programmed to be.

a pedophile can smell vulnerability ten miles away! if you don't have a normal childhood and if you aren't loved as/and for being a child, you'll end up skewed totally.........

Ive known about this reconstuction surgery for years. It was also a topic on the show - Strong Medicine - on lifetime. I have professionals in the family and when I heard about it it was because in certain religions to marry without being a virgin is still a sin so when women fall in love and find out that their loved one is of that religion and so because they love their fiance they are willing to under go recontructive surgury so that they will at least give the physical appearance of being a virgin.

This reconstruction surgery is also used at times when survivors who were raped as children never knew what it was like to be able to make the choice to physically loose their virginity. I have a few friends that have done this and it helped them so much to be able to move beyond the rape into knowing they now have control and can make that choice for themselves.

I see it as nothing different then someone having a tummy tuck, liposuction, a face lift, nose job and so on. if it makes the person feel better about themselves its not up to me to condemn how they do it as long as they are not hurting another human being in the process. basically its their "box" not mine so I don't care.

Yes, some women seek the virginity surgery because their families belong to religions that expect a woman to be a virgin at marriage, and sometimes even blame the woman for rape.

Hillbunnyg, not all of these men know that what they're doing is wrong. I like to think most do, but I've heard a lot of them say that society is wrong, that sex with children is healthy, and other sick things. NAMBLA is all about spreading this kind of crap.

myself, yo, I'm not referring to "reconstruction", my reference is about the pure, chop it down for appearance's sake kaka.

I look at the parade of celebrities and wannabees ( Michael Jackson and Joan Rivers and "the Cat Woman") and and and am just horrified that so called board certified medical doctors will do anything to anyone for the big bucks. ..>> I don't know how they look at themselves in the mirror....

They are SWORN to do no harm. Chopping up a woman's privates for no good reason is BIG TIME malpractice to me.

Transexuals are required to undergo councelling before they get their bits altered. Maybe women need psych evaluations before undergoing this kind of elective surgery.

I want to scream,"STOP!!!! You are hurting yourself!!! PERMANENTLY!!!! For NO GOOD REASON!!!!" tell your pedophilic boyfriend to GROW UP and shut his eyes and use his imagination if he wants to alter your parts."

maven, re: NAMBLA. Don't kid yerself hon, they know it's wrong. If you've heard their rhetoric it is ALL rationalizations. Defying all known scientific facts about the psychology of children and how they develop. I think pedophiles have some kind of sociopathic narcissism or something. Gives me the pukies to even think about how sick their minds are......

re: Jon Benet Ramsey, the 6 year old Coloradan murdered runway model:
creeped and creeps the hell out of me. People can rationalize anything. We humans think we the big smarties with our big brains....... in my experience, we all act from our emotions. Our brains just back us up (rationalize). UNLESS we have been derailed (usually by life changing events) and landed in a new place, forced by circumstance to change our perspective, examine our assumptions, become cognizant of our processes and behaviors. Rationalizations can be seen for the mind games they are, choices can be made, will can be enjoined in the adventure to create the me we want to be. Contritely. Consciously. Carefully. Humbley. with lifetime Comittment because we know it's that important. It is hard work to run a clean act.

I think the sick twisted manipulation of these types of men is what makes the woman wish to do such a strange thing. Usually if the man is this way he has more then likely found a woman that is easily manipulated with a bad self esteem and will go to any lengths to please her man. ........It's so sad and disturbing.

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Yes, some women seek the virginity surgery because their families belong to religions that expect a woman to be a virgin at marriage, and sometimes even blame the woman for rape.

Hillbunnyg, not all of these men know that what they're doing is wrong. I like to think most do, but I've heard a lot of them say that society is wrong, that sex with children is healthy, and other sick things. NAMBLA is all about spreading this kind of crap.

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Maven, Maven, Maven......you honestly believe that these "men" don't know that what they're doing is wrong?

do you believe that society is wrong? do you think that sex with children is healthy? no........i doubt that you feel that way........

what percentage of society thinks that it's okay to belong to NAMBLA? i'd be curious if you know that.

where would you find these men that you honestly believe that they don't know this is wrong? are these the men who's computers are loaded with thousands and thousands of photos and videos of this sort of activity? and they don't think this is wrong? Maven, dear, sex with children is wrong and every adult in the world knows that. only a very mentally retarded person might not understand it.........the rest of us do..........

NAMBLA defends what it asserts to be the right of minors to explore their sexuality...... OMG ......

Yes, I believe many of these men (not all) think that society is wrong, and that it's normal, as radio_flyer is saying NAMBLA asserts, for children to explore their sexuality. These men know society says it's wrong, that the vast majority of people know it's wrong, but some of them actually think they're right and society is wrong. Yes, they rationalize it, and again, I'm NOT saying all or even most don't know it's wrong. But there are some who genuinely think that having sex with children is ok. They hide their actions and tell children not to tell because they know they will get in trouble. They know it's against the law, but they don't think it should be. It's disgusting and twisted. They know it's wrong according to society and the law, but they don't think it's wrong themselves. That's what I mean.

DO NOT think I'm making excuses for these men, or that they shouldn't be punished to the fullest extent possible. I'm not saying what they believe should have anything to do with what should be done to them. I absolutely believe these people (I shouldn't just say men, actually) deserve physical and mental harm, just as they've done to a child. If it were my child, I'd want to rip them apart.

I hope that someday, we can identify these people before they harm even one child. But to do that, we have to understand how their minds work. That doesn't mean we have to let them get away with their crimes or get a lesser punishment. As I've stated before, I think they deserve much harsher punishments than they're often getting.

I am NOT sympathetic to pedophiles and predators. Don't make that mistake. I don't care if these men and women were molested and raped as children--I can feel sorry for them that that happened, but I do not care that it happened if they, in turn, harm a child.

On the plastic surgery issue, I agree, it's sad that women are often made to feel that they need to look younger to be considered beautiful. I feel this way. Still, I can't imagine doing something that may harm your enjoyment of sex just to please a man. And, from what I've seen, it's not most men who feel this way. Some men, and possibly more women, make other women feel they need to do this. I know a lot of men who like women in various shapes and sizes, and ages.

Re: children exploring their sexuality. Well, babies are born into these clunky masses of tissue and bone and have to figure out how it works. All of it. It is the supreme duty of parents, relatives, friends, and society at large to provide an environment of protective safety around them until they have learned how everything works and how to take care of themselves: body, mind, spirit.

I survived my home environment by babysitting my butt off. I have been fortunate in witnessing child development up close and personal: For those of you who don't know, baby boys get erections very early on in life. I had NO idea the first time I saw one..... holy moley guacamole, will you look at that, his Mom and I stood side by side amazed at this biological happening, standing there in miniature before our very eyes.
She didn't know either.

The spirit awakens the body incrementally as the child grows.
New information comes to consciousness on many levels at different times until the kid has enough information to get the picture of what this life is about and start to make informed choices on their own.

To use an innocent's evolving body against them, and mind f it around to inject themselves and their gross needs into this most intimate and fragile of learning curves, as though they were there* in a timely manner** for the child*, WHEW, I am speechless......

hillbunnyb, yes, you're right. I didn't mean it's wrong for children to explore their sexuality. I mean it's wrong for adults to coerce them and to have sex with them and touch them sexually. I should have been clearer on that. Actually, there's research that shows even fetuses may masturbate in the womb.

I too understand and have compassion for someone who has been abused, but that compassion is compromised when they act out on the next generation.

My misogynist predatory pedophile father was dropped onto a hard kitchen floor right on his head when he was an infant. I'm sorry he got dropped. I'm sorry he got hurt.

Then when he was 5, his penis got infected and his Mom entertained her female friends by making him whip it out to show the booboo. I'm sorry if either and/or both of these incidents caused him to crack.

But, when he became an active abusive pervert. He should have been locked up til he died. With therapy, meds, whatever, but, locked up forever.

My prayer is that one day, somehow, someway, something will click and all perps will suddenlly connect with the broken part in themselves with what they are doing to others, and feel and understand the damage they have done, and be devastated by this awareness and have to live with that knowing, up front in their minds, for the rest of their lives. Now, that would be hell. Let 'em burn some karma in this lifetime......