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Old Feb 23, 2013, 08:47 AM
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I suppose that a lot of bad changes have occurred, but I still feel that I am exceptionally fortunate to live in this era. Medicine is more advanced than it has ever been. Women can have careers and influence how the world is run. Our society is remarkably tolerant of differences in race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. People are starting to recognize that war is wrong and should be avoided at all costs.

I'm taking a Roman history course this semester, and I am so glad that I wasn't born into that society! Women had no rights, wars were waged for no reason, one third of Roman people were enslaved...

Life now isn't perfect, but I think that this is the best it's ever been.
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 09:54 PM
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I would imagine that our Grandparents, and GGparents looked at the world with disbelief during WWI, WWII. And our Parents with Korea and Vietnam. I think we can find much to be ashamed of with each generation.

I find myself frustrated with this new generation. One co-worker was talking about needing to make more money. I pointed out that I had gotten him an excellent job all he had to do was apply. His response: I would have to bring home $2,800 to match the benefits that we're getting from the state. WHAT!!! He chose to have three kids. His wife chooses not to work. In her opinion it is child abuse to work when you have children. Yet, two perfectly healthy fit adults are getting food stamps, Rental assistance, power assistance (whatever it's called now), and cash.

I get angry and shake my head, but which one of us is the fool? I've worked since I was 14 years old with one exception (had a breakdown about 6 years ago). He works part-time, his wife stays home, and my tax dollars pay his bills. Another 20something young man, married with a 1 year old was mad as heck that the state cut down their food stamps and cancelled their rental assitance when they found out that his FIL was working full time living with them. A neighbor would only work 20 hours a week so he could collect unemployment for TWO YEARS. He had his own cash business on the side. He assumed that my daughter was getting state benefits when she was in college because she had no income. When I told him of course she did not, she worked 60 hours a week all summer long and holiday breaks so she could live off campus. He was actually said she was stupid for not getting what she could. Where did this attitude come from?
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I would imagine that our Grandparents, and GGparents looked at the world with disbelief during WWI, WWII. And our Parents with Korea and Vietnam. I think we can find much to be ashamed of with each generation.

I find myself frustrated with this new generation. One co-worker was talking about needing to make more money. I pointed out that I had gotten him an excellent job all he had to do was apply. His response: I would have to bring home $2,800 to match the benefits that we're getting from the state. WHAT!!! He chose to have three kids. His wife chooses not to work. In her opinion it is child abuse to work when you have children. Yet, two perfectly healthy fit adults are getting food stamps, Rental assistance, power assistance (whatever it's called now), and cash.

I get angry and shake my head, but which one of us is the fool? I've worked since I was 14 years old with one exception (had a breakdown about 6 years ago). He works part-time, his wife stays home, and my tax dollars pay his bills. Another 20something young man, married with a 1 year old was mad as heck that the state cut down their food stamps and cancelled their rental assitance when they found out that his FIL was working full time living with them. A neighbor would only work 20 hours a week so he could collect unemployment for TWO YEARS. He had his own cash business on the side. He assumed that my daughter was getting state benefits when she was in college because she had no income. When I told him of course she did not, she worked 60 hours a week all summer long and holiday breaks so she could live off campus. He was actually said she was stupid for not getting what she could. Where did this attitude come from?
The attitude was created, people want small government but for some reason more and more people want to DEPEND on the government which causes government to grow bigger. People dont realize they are perpetuating a cycle of dependence and then they get mad when the government sticks thier noses in thier buisiness when it comes to other things, well of course they will when you expect them to play mommy and daddy to you for the rest of your life. Its one thing to collect in trying times but when you start taking advantage and dont make the effort to stand on your own two feet dont be surprised when you wake up one day feeling like the government controls you and like you are taxed beyond your means.
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 11:06 AM
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The attitude was created, people want small government but for some reason more and more people want to DEPEND on the government which causes government to grow bigger. People dont realize they are perpetuating a cycle of dependence and then they get mad when the government sticks thier noses in thier buisiness when it comes to other things, well of course they will when you expect them to play mommy and daddy to you for the rest of your life. Its one thing to collect in trying times but when you start taking advantage and dont make the effort to stand on your own two feet dont be surprised when you wake up one day feeling like the government controls you and like you are taxed beyond your means.

I would like to know when that changed. I would like to know where a sense of pride went. IMO this is not a political issue, this is morals issue. If you are in need of social services, I am truly sorry for your issues and take this money with my blessing.

I would get so angry when the recession started. People would say "I'm not going to work at McDonalds, I was a..." Well why the hell not? If that what it takes to feed your family why wouldn't you? I did. My husband has a degree and an excellent job. When his hours were cut he got a second part-time job at Burger King.

I guess that I was raised differently. There is no shame in working. I remember being a little girl. My Great Grandfather was a kind and gentle man. The only harsh words that he ever spoke to me was when I saw a friend of mine working with his father who was the garbage collector. I started laughing and made some stupid comment that I do not remember. What I do remember was the disappointment in my grandfather's eyes when he middle named me and showed me the error of my ways.

There are people out there that need these services. How do you not understand that by taking them when you do not need them not only hurts those that do, but the rest of society as well?

I know that many of our family and friends are frustrated with me. My oldest has many disabilities. He has pretty severe learning disabilities and some moderate mental ones. When he graduated, we got many different offers of assistance for him, which I turned down. He is our son and we are able to support him, so why would I need the government to help? He works at McDonald's doing truck four hours a week. That puts enough money in his pocket to buy whatever he does not want to ask us for. But family and friends believe I am denying him the ability to be independant. What would happen if something were to happen to my husband and myself? Well I have an answer for you. I have already spoken to one of my children. And God forbid something happens to the two of us, that child will happily take him in. Why? Because it's not the government's responsibility to take care of our family its ours.
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The good old days had lynchings; child abuse was approved behavior in many instances (I should know). The list could go on. So some things are worse and some things are better.
those WERENT the good old days. not lynchings especially. unless you come from the Good Ol Boys white generation.

i dont believe in the "good ol days" concept. seems as if they were only times people seemed rather comfortable or safe. i think its highly subjective.
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I would like to know when that changed. I would like to know where a sense of pride went. IMO this is not a political issue, this is morals issue. If you are in need of social services, I am truly sorry for your issues and take this money with my blessing.

I would get so angry when the recession started. People would say "I'm not going to work at McDonalds, I was a..." Well why the hell not? If that what it takes to feed your family why wouldn't you? I did. My husband has a degree and an excellent job. When his hours were cut he got a second part-time job at Burger King.

I guess that I was raised differently. There is no shame in working. I remember being a little girl. My Great Grandfather was a kind and gentle man. The only harsh words that he ever spoke to me was when I saw a friend of mine working with his father who was the garbage collector. I started laughing and made some stupid comment that I do not remember. What I do remember was the disappointment in my grandfather's eyes when he middle named me and showed me the error of my ways.

There are people out there that need these services. How do you not understand that by taking them when you do not need them not only hurts those that do, but the rest of society as well?

I know that many of our family and friends are frustrated with me. My oldest has many disabilities. He has pretty severe learning disabilities and some moderate mental ones. When he graduated, we got many different offers of assistance for him, which I turned down. He is our son and we are able to support him, so why would I need the government to help? He works at McDonald's doing truck four hours a week. That puts enough money in his pocket to buy whatever he does not want to ask us for. But family and friends believe I am denying him the ability to be independant. What would happen if something were to happen to my husband and myself? Well I have an answer for you. I have already spoken to one of my children. And God forbid something happens to the two of us, that child will happily take him in. Why? Because it's not the government's responsibility to take care of our family its ours.
Exactly and why wouldn't you want to take care ofyourself you have no limitis when you choose to depend on yourself. When you choose to hand it over to the government you end up limiting yourself to what you can do.

I mean look at it this way. I am a single person with no children I bust my *** to pay for college tuition out of my own pocket yet I could have a kid with someone and go to college for free. I'm a little confused as to why some people can get things for free while everyone else is running for their dreams.

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Old Feb 25, 2013, 02:43 PM
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for anyone that thinks that right now society is tolerant of race - i dont think you have the slightest clue of what the heck goes on.

part of the reason why so many people decades ago werent tolerant of african americans is because they didnt have to be and they werent looked down on if they werent. racial tension was acceptable and racism was tolerated because it was EXPECTED. to say a simple example - if you were white and didnt like african americans it was understood because they were thought of as a lesser society. psychiatry even coined them to have rampant mental illness just because they were a different race. thats a couple of examples.

and its not much different today with how people still feel and what they believe. only difference is theres laws that keep hate crime more at bay. KKK is still around - they call themselves Stormfront now and their website is one of the most visited sites on the web. their hate isnt limited to A-Americans but all other races and gay people too.

if you still dont understand how extremely awful it still is you can look at how people right now treat middle eastern and mexican people in the USA. because the issues that go on. going through the news sites and hearing political commentators talk about Obama is so discriminatory because his race. his election reignited some of the racial divisions that have laid dormant or hidden in peoples personal lives. yet no one addresses that hes half white too. there is a colloquailism called the "One Drop Rule" that said if you had even 1/10 or a certain fraction of black in you you are automatically considered black disregarding any other ethnicities.

some people mostly or fully believe racism is no longer or has mostly dwindled but its very far from the truth. and those who say it arent exactly coming out of their own bubble either.
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Newtus, i understand your predicament and values which are of great importance to me as i have a 22 year old son, he won't stand it when i worry about him, everything is according to the people he knows now and how i react to news he doesnt like. i watch the daily news in the morning or at night at least 1 time a day just to keep in the loop. it seems if you don't watch it so much is missed, to me at least, i'm a 52 year old woman trying to keep up with technology, but barely know how to use this laptop for email and here. i wish i could learn more, and i often worry about the children that never even experienced it as they grew up. it seems as everything is going so fast i want to stop the world and get off."I'll stop the world and melt with you" is my hope. it's a song if you don't know. well i hope you can relax from all of this worrying we do, we're all at different levels and different generations are all here too. i hope life finds you well.- avlady
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I'm just saying that some things were worse in the "good old days" -- not everything was better.
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for anyone that thinks that right now society is tolerant of race - i dont think you have the slightest clue of what the heck goes on.

part of the reason why so many people decades ago werent tolerant of african americans is because they didnt have to be and they werent looked down on if they werent. racial tension was acceptable and racism was tolerated because it was EXPECTED. to say a simple example - if you were white and didnt like african americans it was understood because they were thought of as a lesser society. psychiatry even coined them to have rampant mental illness just because they were a different race. thats a couple of examples.

and its not much different today with how people still feel and what they believe. only difference is theres laws that keep hate crime more at bay. KKK is still around - they call themselves Stormfront now and their website is one of the most visited sites on the web. their hate isnt limited to A-Americans but all other races and gay people too.

if you still dont understand how extremely awful it still is you can look at how people right now treat middle eastern and mexican people in the USA. because the issues that go on. going through the news sites and hearing political commentators talk about Obama is so discriminatory because his race. his election reignited some of the racial divisions that have laid dormant or hidden in peoples personal lives. yet no one addresses that hes half white too. there is a colloquailism called the "One Drop Rule" that said if you had even 1/10 or a certain fraction of black in you you are automatically considered black disregarding any other ethnicities.

some people mostly or fully believe racism is no longer or has mostly dwindled but its very far from the truth. and those who say it arent exactly coming out of their own bubble either.
Yeaaaa racism definetly is NOT dead....it depends on where you go I know of plenty of towns (that I avoid) where plenty of people still hold to the "old attitude" and actually these days it isn't just discrimination based on race that people worry about. And the worst part is it goes every which way now.....

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No, not everything was better in "the good old days". But I miss the respect and common courtesy. Hell common sense. Three of my work friends and I went to the movies last night. In the theater there were 2 couples, and another set of four people. A group of four teenagers came in. There was a WHOLE theater that they could have sat in. Of the 100 or so seats, all but 12 were empty. Where did they decide to sit? RIGHT BEHIND US! With their feet on the seats behind us right in our faces. Talking with each other and cell phone beeps going off non-stop. Dropping the F bomb every other word. A "can you please get your feet out of my face" was met with a round of giggles. The feet were removed for about five minutes. One of my friends turned around and asked "do you know how RUDE this is?" Another round of giggles. And how DO they keep those damn pants up?!?! I do not wish to see your underwear!

This is what I miss. I miss common courtesy. Maybe it's because I was raised in a small town. I was related to 90% of them, so any misbehavior was reported to my parents before I got home. I said the F word in front of my mother when I was 30 YEARS OLD and she slapped me in the mouth. Good night! If my mother had heard I was at the movie theater just swearing I'd still be pooping bubbles!
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common courtesy, manners and common sense definitely are things of the past, computers mobile phones and the right to punish misbehaviour in children are the culprits. kids today have the idea 'why do we need to know this when we can google it!' heaven knows what they will do when google goes out of buisness!... logic, what's that?
the kids need a quick lesson on respect and to be rewarded with a pair of braces to keep their trousers up! if i had my way easter would not have any eggs this year, but each kid would get a pair of braces and an instruction ap to show them how to use them on their trouser, oh and a sachet of bright whites to make all the grey pants at least look clean!
give it five years and the trousers will be so far down they will be tripping over them, then they might go back to sensible styles warn properly!!!
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common courtesy, manners and common sense definitely are things of the past, computers mobile phones and the right to punish misbehaviour in children are the culprits. kids today have the idea 'why do we need to know this when we can google it!' heaven knows what they will do when google goes out of buisness!... logic, what's that?
the kids need a quick lesson on respect and to be rewarded with a pair of braces to keep their trousers up! if i had my way easter would not have any eggs this year, but each kid would get a pair of braces and an instruction ap to show them how to use them on their trouser, oh and a sachet of bright whites to make all the grey pants at least look clean!
give it five years and the trousers will be so far down they will be tripping over them, then they might go back to sensible styles warn properly!!!
I don't know how they can possibly get any lower! Nothing on their hind end is covered! Seriously, how do they stay up!
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they are pretty low right now. i was high school about 5 years ago and and they wore belts but STILL had the crotch at their knees. i tried to think fairly and think maybe yea sagging pants down a couple of inches off the hips. ok yea that MAYBE looks cool. but with the crotch at the knees DOES NOT make sense. then i felt stupid for trying to reason with society like that.

THEN they have to walk with their legs spread further apart to keep the pants up. and then they hide whats not covered by pants with a 3XL tshirt. when they clearly can fit into a medium.
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Last summer we took our granddaughter to the zoo. We stopped at Burger King for lunch. While we were seated in the play place a couple came in with their toddler. The blonde turned out to be a female. I know this only because she said "let mommy take your shoes off." They both had their pants hanging below their hind end. And were wearing their over sized shirts (that did not cover their underwear may I add). Which is why I did not immediately recognize the blonde as female. Anyway the toddler took off running as toddlers will do. Someone was coming into the playplace so the door was open and he ran right out. Neither one of them could pull their pants up to run after the kid. Another customer caught him and brought him back to them. My immediate concern was what would have happened if that would have happened outside? How are you going to be able to pull your kid out of traffic if you cannot move at more than a snails pace?

Now I don't like their sense of fashion. I'm sure my mother felt the same way about my valley girl outfits, balloon pants, and parachute pants (I would kill for the latter two today! Talk about comfort!) However this particular fad can have some serious safety issues. Given the fact that the don't walk sign means nothing anymore. Teenagers just randomly stroll across the street anywhere they get the urge, what happens when they step out into traffic and their pants fall and trip them?

I've always wanted to go up and ask one of them how they keep their pants up. I just do not understand how they defy gravity. Are there some sort of garter type objects holding them up somehow?
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THEN they have to walk with their legs spread further apart to keep the pants up. and then they hide whats not covered by pants with a 3XL tshirt. when they clearly can fit into a medium.
So it's their gait that keeps that pants up? Interesting.
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I would like to know when that changed. I would like to know where a sense of pride went. IMO this is not a political issue, this is morals issue. If you are in need of social services, I am truly sorry for your issues and take this money with my blessing.

I would get so angry when the recession started. People would say "I'm not going to work at McDonalds, I was a..." Well why the hell not? If that what it takes to feed your family why wouldn't you? I did. My husband has a degree and an excellent job. When his hours were cut he got a second part-time job at Burger King.

I guess that I was raised differently. There is no shame in working. I remember being a little girl. My Great Grandfather was a kind and gentle man. The only harsh words that he ever spoke to me was when I saw a friend of mine working with his father who was the garbage collector. I started laughing and made some stupid comment that I do not remember. What I do remember was the disappointment in my grandfather's eyes when he middle named me and showed me the error of my ways.

There are people out there that need these services. How do you not understand that by taking them when you do not need them not only hurts those that do, but the rest of society as well?

I know that many of our family and friends are frustrated with me. My oldest has many disabilities. He has pretty severe learning disabilities and some moderate mental ones. When he graduated, we got many different offers of assistance for him, which I turned down. He is our son and we are able to support him, so why would I need the government to help? He works at McDonald's doing truck four hours a week. That puts enough money in his pocket to buy whatever he does not want to ask us for. But family and friends believe I am denying him the ability to be independant. What would happen if something were to happen to my husband and myself? Well I have an answer for you. I have already spoken to one of my children. And God forbid something happens to the two of us, that child will happily take him in. Why? Because it's not the government's responsibility to take care of our family its ours.
Some people still feel this way. I had just divorced my abusive husband, put myself through college, graduated and had the longest bipolar manic episode of my life ..9 months. I got dx'd, struggled to find any job I could take for a year. I was a huge mess and sinking fast with no family or any support. My pdoc finally convinced me to apply for disability, it still took me months to admit I needed help. Not something I ever thought I would need.

Now I am working again now that I am stable. I have a very non glam job as a houskeeper, but it's work, it's money I need for my kids. I am starting late but we have to start somewhere. I can see the reaction on peoples face when they ask where I work, but it's ok. I feel better about being able to help provide for my children.

CastlesInTheAir, I payed for my education too, people with kids don't have to pay tuition in the states? I am in Canada, and we pay ..tuition is pretty high here.
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CastlesInTheAir, I payed for my education too, people with kids don't have to pay tuition in the states? I am in Canada, and we pay ..tuition is pretty high here.
Grants are given based upon income and family size. If you have a child of your own, your parent's income is not a factor. If you are a single mother, you most probably would be eligible for grants (money that you do not have to pay back).

When my husband I seperated for a period of time 18 years ago I was working as a CENA. One of the nurses asked me why I didn't go to school to become an RN. I have four kids to support! Duh. She replied that 4 years before she quit her job as a CENA, applied for assistance. She got rental, food stamps (which according to her she they never ate better) heat, utilities, childcare, living expenses, medical, all college related costs (Books, transportation, THEY HELPED HER BUY A CAR etc) fully paid for. I asked "how do you quit a perfectly good job and get assistance? Why don't they tell you to go back to work?" She said they just don't.

Good for you Anika! There is no shame in working.
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So it's their gait that keeps that pants up? Interesting.
sometimes and some of the guys just hold their pants by the crotch like its a "gangsta" thing.
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sometimes and some of the guys just hold their pants by the crotch like its a "gangsta" thing.

I've seen that. It's nice to know that there is a reason for them walking around holding themselves.
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My Support Forums is the online community that was originally begun as the Psych Central Forums in 2001. It now runs as an independent self-help support group community for mental health, personality, and psychological issues and is overseen by a group of dedicated, caring volunteers from around the world.

 

Helplines and Lifelines

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